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Achilles
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posted May 31, 2006 04:56 PM |
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Heroes 3, Vesuvius, and Jb239
This post is just mainly to express how H4 and H5 don't live up to its "ancestors" gameplay and feel (heroes 3)
Honestly, if it wasn't for heroes 3 being so incredably good with very few mistakes and vesuvius putting in all the time in his website and jb239 making great maps that everyone enjoyed, there would be no HOMM5 right now. Homm5 and Homm4 are good games to play by yourself against the computer, but as far as playing on-line they dont even COMPARE to Homm3. Now the graphics of the maps are so complicated and the battle scenes have to have camera controls and zoom in and zoom out, its going to take a very, very long time for people to finish games against eachother. I think we should be thinking about a future HOMM6 that should be created by a team that made video game designers want to create new heroes games, but that just didnt live up to the expectations left by heroes 3
just answer this question for me people, what was so wrong with heroes 3 that they had to change so much????
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insatiable
Supreme Hero
Ultimate N00bidity
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posted May 31, 2006 06:52 PM |
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Gom_Jabbar
Promising
Famous Hero
Revealer of Truth
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posted May 31, 2006 07:14 PM |
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Did someone say there is something wrong with HOMM3? No. New games in a series are just ment to bring something new, to make you spent againg countless hours in front of the monitor playing the game(just remember and compare the hours you spent with H3 when you first discovered the game to the ones you are spending now --- I know in my case there are fewer now). The thing is that H3 is such a great game, that creating a new one that at least equals it is a really hard mission. So far neither H4 nor H5 did that(even if H5 is much better than H4, at least in my opinnion), but who knows, maybe the next one its going to be even better than H3( I just wish I'll live to see that day. Nevertheless H5 has the great merit to attract people that have never played the previous games, and that is something to take into consideration, because it means that a sequal is necesary. There are always going to be unhappy players(we hardcore players are sure not to be ever satisfied), but noone said life is fair  .
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jb239
Famous Hero
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posted May 31, 2006 08:27 PM |
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I take it as a compliment, but...
Once again, thanks for the compliment, but don't give up on Heroes 5 just yet.. Here is why.
1) Heroes 3 had just as many if not more bugs when it was released and unpatched. Online play was terrible.. sends between players took minutes if they weren't both broadband. There were lots of bugs and holes that allowed for cheating and so on.
2) It took serveral patches to get Heroes 3 to the game we all loved, so don't give up on Heroes 5 just yet. Unlike Heroes 4... Heroes 5 brings back a lot of core elements that made Heroes 3 so fun. So there is lots of potential.
3) Once a map editor is out I will get busy making a few maps.. 1 thing I do with maps is try to cater to the people who play them... for example I try to design them for what people want to play and what will keep them hooked. Look at Hourglass (Co created with Pandora) but for all the people that hated that map.. theyd play it over and over and people were addicted to the map.
So I guess I just say give it time and a few patches first. The core gameplay is there and once we fix some bugs and get a map editor there should be a lot more enjoyment. And you have Vesuvius here with his 100% dedication.. gotta respect that.
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vesuvius
Hero of Order
Honor Above all Else
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posted May 31, 2006 09:14 PM |
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To be VERY honest... I thought, that one day if the homm franchise died, I may have invested into the whole franchise myself; or down the line make my own game company and work on something very similar to what we all love. Fortunately I think homm5 is a great game, I'm having a lot of fun -- just hoping that this crappy bug situation on multiplayer is fixed. I mean look -- 40 games played in 2 weeks? That is not what I expected. I would have taken poor maps and balance over an unplayable multi any day.
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The_Wiz
Adventuring Hero
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posted May 31, 2006 09:26 PM |
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Also, please remember that when H3 was released it was buggy as hell, and it had no RMG until AB.
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jb239
Famous Hero
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posted May 31, 2006 10:48 PM |
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Quote:
To be VERY honest... I thought, that one day if the homm franchise died, I may have invested into the whole franchise myself; or down the line make my own game company and work on something very similar to what we all love. Fortunately I think homm5 is a great game, I'm having a lot of fun -- just hoping that this crappy bug situation on multiplayer is fixed. I mean look -- 40 games played in 2 weeks? That is not what I expected. I would have taken poor maps and balance over an unplayable multi any day.
Can I get a side job as a map maker if you ever own a gaming company?
But I've read more news on the patch.. it specifically addresses issues such as the bad multiplayer.. So you may jus want to finish the campaigns, wait a week for the first patch and then try online play again after that. That's my plan
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Blue_Camel
Famous Hero
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posted June 01, 2006 03:02 AM |
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sounds sound
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted June 01, 2006 07:30 AM |
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Just got to be patient & hang in there with faith.
Once the main bugs are gone with the patch,I am confident that this will become a great game.
Plus with map maker so JB can make his copies & if Lealth ever comes back, he can make some Beautiful maps.
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bobbyohms
Adventuring Hero
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posted June 01, 2006 05:13 PM |
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I've been keeping myself from posting this but I figure maybe it's time I did. I love HoMM V and will continue to play it and try to get in some games and finish them. I don't think I have complained much about it or bashed the game in any way (Now the UBISOFT game room setup is a different story and really has very little to do with the game itsself.). About all I did was try to help identify bugs to help everyone get through them so we all benefit until the issues are resolved.
I have to admit it sort of bothers me to hear people say to just be patient and wait for the patch. Well first off, I am being patient and continuing to try to play anyway (I've spend the last 2 evenings sitting waiting for other players to no avail. In fact other than a couple tournament members poking their heads in the game lobby not a single potential player showed up in a total of about 8 hours.). My question though is, why should I have to be patient? Why is it okay to put a game out with so many problems? (I'm saying that about games in general not just HoMM V.) Software publishers have gotten in the habit of putting out games and letting the consumers do the testing it seems and then put out patches to make the game actually run properly. Why is this an accepted practice by the gaming community as a whole. I understand there will always be bugs and problems but they should be minor annoyances, game balance issues and other things that only tons of hours of play discover, or effecting only certain hardware configurations. But I ask this... why is it that when I played the beta numerous times I didn't have near the problems with multiplayer that we are having now? On top of that, these problems showed themselves immediately... how on earth was it not caught before it shipped?
I'm happy to have the game in my hands and I truly love it but I didn't buy it to play single and play the campaigns but specifically for the multiplayer option and tournament play. I didn't even play the game before jumping right online and looking for fellow ToH members to get my feet wet. Anyone who knows me knows I'm not about points or wins but at the same time it does give you a goal of sorts that at least for me the single player options can't provide. Before I joined ToH I played single all the time but I just can't do it anymore and truly enjoy it cause the comp doesn't even come close to comparing to the abilities and gameplay of the many great players out there. That is truly where the fun comes from.
I will continue to try to find folks to play while I do in fact wait patiently for the patch that hopefully won't take long to come. I figure even if there are games that can't be finished I still am developing my gameplay for when things are fixed and in full swing. If anyone else out there has the same idea you likely will find me waiting in the lobby from this evening through Sunday. Come on in and if nothing else we get a bit of that HoMM taste in our mouths until the real fun begins. Good luck & have fun everybody. 
P.S. I do by the way remember HoMM III and the endlessly long data transfers and such but I also remember at least being able to finish games... well at least most of the time anyway. LOL
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Arangar
Famous Hero
Weak ranger - lost viking
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posted June 01, 2006 05:38 PM |
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It's not just the way of the gaming industry, it's like this for everything now.
I don't like it, and we shouldn't just accept it... but.. there is a big 'but'. If we complain too much about the game, then it will never get the chance to rise up to our standards before the project meets a dead end. Every negative comment costs the game a customer+.
So we should never be forced to accept bad products and bad services, but here we are - we have waited so many years for this sequel - what is another month or two?
And for those that want to jump at the opportunity to say that UBI should have waited until the game was finished then... that's just not the way things work.
And as you said, bobbyohms - you are learning the tricks of the game even if you don't finish your first 20 games
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Arangar
Norwegian viking
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balcough_dra...
Supreme Hero
unlucky? i want to pump you up
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posted June 01, 2006 05:47 PM |
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i agree with bob thats why i am on the server now looking for anyone toh to play but not many people know about it at all.
i try to post the website every so offen and say what it is. i just wonder if people go
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slayer
whos your daddy and what does he do?
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bjorn190
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Jebus maker
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posted June 01, 2006 06:00 PM |
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OMG I HAVE TO PLAY HOMM3 NOE!!!!!  DD D:
I love those long data transfers!! I used to go to the gas station and buy donuts !!!!! 
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vesuvius
Hero of Order
Honor Above all Else
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posted June 01, 2006 06:17 PM |
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now imagine if the game was released 3 months ago, when it was supposed to, and in the unfinished state it was at then lol. At least the company had a brain enough to postpone till now.
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angelito
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
proud father of a princess
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posted June 01, 2006 06:25 PM |
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Problem is, not the multiplayers bring the money to Ubisoft, but the singleplayers. So every game which is not explicit made for online gaming, will always be related to singleplayers. So it was important to make the game playable and enjoyable for the one fighting vs the AI on the first hand.
The multiplayers will get "their rights" after the first dollars have been paid with buying the game, coz their fraction is pretty small compared to the single players....sad but true...
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bobbyohms
Adventuring Hero
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posted June 01, 2006 06:32 PM |
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Let me add one thing and seriously I'm not throwing any stones here. I agree that if the game gets bashed to death it can cause people to be turned off the game (One of the reasons I haven't said much bad about it specifically and keep mentioning how much I love it and its potential.). But going along with that, where the heck is everybody? I sat in the lobby last night from 5-9 PM PST and not one person from ToH came in (Okay I'm lying. One guy did but didn't have time to play a game and just wanted to see who for ToH was there.). There are 17,000+ registered and I'm the only one there???!!! As important as it is to not bash the game, it's important to get in there and play the game and let all the people on there who ask "What's ToH?" (I wish I had a dollar for every time I heard that and "Why can't I join a game?" when all of them are gray and in progress. I could buy Ves's house. ) see that it's a busy tournament with lots of players. That ensures the best chance of the game's success and shows UBI and Nival that hey there are a lot of people out there playing and increases the chance we get the patches sooner rather than later.
I understand many are waiting for the patch to play so as to not waste their time but there is still fun to be had and things to learn even if the game screws up and can't be finished. If nothing else get in there and play for fun to test and learn strategies and when people see 15 rooms called www.toheroes.com that can only help both the game and tournament grow. Besides, it also means a bunch of noobs for us to take advantage of.  Oh and just for the record I'm not posting this as I said to throw any stones or just so I have someone to play (Though that would be nice. ) but for the good of the game and all of us.
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Arangar
Famous Hero
Weak ranger - lost viking
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posted June 01, 2006 07:28 PM |
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Most of the old h4'ers haven't gotten the game yet I believe. As for myself, I've got the game and I would love to play, but I'm barely home these days - writing my thesis
For the h3'ers.. I dunno. Maybe they're still upgrading their comps from h3 performance, or maybe they're all practicing
1 week to go!
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Arangar
Norwegian viking
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bobbyohms
Adventuring Hero
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posted June 01, 2006 07:58 PM |
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Most of the old h4'ers haven't gotten the game yet I believe. As for myself, I've got the game and I would love to play, but I'm barely home these days - writing my thesis
For the h3'ers.. I dunno. Maybe they're still upgrading their comps from h3 performance, or maybe they're all practicing
1 week to go!
LOL I wasn't refering to anyone who's actually busy or has things to do but certainly that can't be EVERYONE. 
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jb239
Famous Hero
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posted June 01, 2006 08:13 PM |
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I hear ya Bobby, but most won't agree about "Playing for fun" because since most of the synching problems are caused from player vs player battles.. it doesn't make much sense to play for fun online when you could play for fun in single player.
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Arangar
Famous Hero
Weak ranger - lost viking
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posted June 01, 2006 10:50 PM |
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Well, this is also the typical exam period for alot of students
That could be the reason
Crossing fingers for a good Mid-June boost in activity
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Arangar
Norwegian viking
ranger of the north
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