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Elodin, a huge portion of your beliefs are in pretty direct contrast with what Jesus is preaching, in fact a lot of non-believers hold far more Christian views than you do. Taking a few metaphorical "swords" out of context and quoting them as justification for your jingoistic attitude is insulting to any sane poster's intelligence.
Just saying what makes people so pissed off about you. I personally find it entertaining, if slightly pitiful.
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@Elodin - If so, would you then object to an opinioin that the belief that God is either eternal or produced himself is nothing but absurd?
Of course I don't find the idea of an eternal God absurd. There had to be a first cause and God as described in the Bible fits the requirements of that first cause.
It is perfectly obvious from the observations of the COBE sattelite and the Hubble Telescope that the universe is not eternal. The laws of thermodynamics make it clear also that the universe is not eternal.
Certainly the universe could not have come to be out of a state of absolute nothing without a cause. That cause had to be timeless, immaterial, spaceless, powerful, wise, intelligent, personal. God, as described in the Bible.
Certainly now that it is a known fact that the universe had a beginning atheism can't be considered a rational position. Indeed, atheism is in worldwide decline though certain anti-theist voices like Dawkins and Hitchens strive to shout "There is no God!! Religion is evil and religious people are delusional," louder and louder.
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Elodin, a huge portion of your beliefs are in pretty direct contrast with what Jesus is preaching, in fact a lot of non-believers hold far more Christian views than you do. Taking a few metaphorical "swords" out of context and quoting them as justification for your jingoistic attitude is insulting to any sane poster's intelligence.
You are heavy on allegation and light on proof. What is the "huge portion" that I believe that is in direct contrast with what Jesus said? Provide Bible quotes (chapter and verses and in context) please, to prove my beliefs are wrong.
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You are heavy on allegation and light on proof.
And when you say that, it really means something, doesn't it.
Look. Dude.
You are able to read things like Luke 6:27-31, nod, agree completely, and then go around supporting every war your country ever started - because it is, as you said yourself on various occasions now buried in the OSM, better than all the other countries on Earth (which is a discussion for another time); also suggesting people going to jail for years for downloading an mp3, introducing capital punishment and all the other stuff.
There is no point in quoting the Bible to you because you are so far deep in your misconceptions and self-righteousness that you actually believe the same man who spent his life preaching this (and suffering for holding on to it):
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"Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: / But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also."
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"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth; I came not to send peace, but a sword"
"But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. "
And not only that, but you actually use that as an argument for justifying wars.
I mean... God damn it, I don't really see an explanation for this that speaks good of you. It's just bloody shameless.
Christ, man. The 13th century's over.
I'm still kind of hoping you're a troll, but the hope is... dwindling.
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You are heavy on allegation and light on proof.
And when you say that, it really means something, doesn't it.
Look. Dude.
You are able to read things like Luke 6:27-31, nod, agree completely, and then go around supporting every war your country ever started - because it is, as you said yourself on various occasions now buried in the OSM, better than all the other countries on Earth (which is a discussion for another time); also suggesting people going to jail for years for downloading an mp3, introducing capital punishment and all the other stuff.
There is no point in quoting the Bible to you because you are so far deep in your misconceptions and self-righteousness that you actually believe the same man who spent his life preaching this (and suffering for holding on to it):
Once again you have only insults and no actual arguments. You claimed, "a huge portion of your beliefs are in pretty direct contrast with what Jesus is preaching" and you can't back up the claim you made.
Yes, I am patriotic and love America. Yes, I think it is the greatest nation on earth because it is the freest nation on earth and it has helped spread freedom around the world. Nothing I said violates any of the teachings of Christ.
Yes, I believe in stiff penalties for thieves. The penalty for theft in the Old covenant was death or four or five-fold restitution so my belief in harsh punishment for crimes is not against the teachings of Christ. In fact, the Apostle Paul wrote that the government is ordained by God to be a "terror" to evildoers and is to "execute wrath upon him that doeth evil."
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Rom 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
Rom 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
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"Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: / But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also."
meant it literally when he said:
Here Jesus is saying don't take personal revenge, which is what the Old Testament also teaches. The Pharisees had been teaching that taking personal revenge is ok and Jesus was correcting the teaching. See "ye have heard that it has been said....But I say", that is what that indicates.
The Old and New Covenant writings both say punishing criminals is the job of the government but allow for self-defense. Self defense is not personal revenge.
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"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth; I came not to send peace, but a sword"
It is interesting that you ran two snipped and pasted two differnt passages together. The above verse is about some people becoming hostile to those who are Christians and persecuting them. I've never claimed that is about war. Your claim is a lie.
For reference, here is that passage in context. He warns his follwers not to expect a peaceful reception from others because some will be hostile to the gospel message. Jesus says to stand fast in persecution and not to deny him even if it means death.
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Mat 10:32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Mat 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Mat 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
Mat 10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
Mat 10:38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
Mat 10:39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.
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"But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. "
And not only that, but you actually use that as an argument for justifying wars.
That verse actually is about personal defense but certainly applies to nations as well. But if you would actually read the Bible you would find a number of instances where God told the Israelites to go to war. War is not wrong. War for unjust reasons is wrong. If China decided to invade the US for instance, the US would have a right to defend itself. Indeed, the government would have an obligation to defend the US citizens.
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I mean... God damn it, I don't really see an explanation for this that speaks good of you. It's just bloody shameless.
You have lied about me is what is shameless.
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Doublethink in action again. Mention God Jahwe's bloody laws and deeds, and it's about the Old Covenant suddenly, being only for Jews and Jesus started a new one; mention that Jesus may have used words like "sword" to explain that his teachings will split the Jews, but has preached peace, love, and humility, but not war, never war - and suddenly the Old Covenant shows that "just" wars are completely ok for God.
Doublethink.
Elodin, you may not realize it, but we, and ESPECIALLY atheists, KNOW that God Jahwe had not the slightest problem with warring. Nor had he problems with killing everyone, including his own, except one family, with the death penalty for ridiculous "offenses" with human sacrifices, with slavery, and other things you wouldn't expect from a superior being.
For all these things we don't need a God whom to pray to, to tell us how; that we can do all by ourselves.
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if you would actually read the Bible
Believe it or not, you're not the only person on HC to have read the Bible. You just like to brag about it the most. Also, with your mindset, it's pretty much an altogether different book than what I've read.
Here is one explanation of why you fail, about the quote with personal defense for instance.
You're intentionally mixing up the Old and New testament, you're twisting Christ's words, you're a chauvinist and religious fanatic.
The only one lying here is you, to yourself, Elodin.
I know you're naturally never going to admit that. I'm just saying.
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You can't convince FIRE of the helpfullness of WATER.
You can't convince BLIND people to have a different point of VIEW.
You can't convince people living in the MIDDLE AGES from the new things of TODAY.
Some people will die once in poorness, lonesome, without any friends but a moddy old bible in the hand and hope for heaven. When they look back, it will be too late.
If you're not open-minded, you can't feel the love of people who may have different attitudes. And YES, even atheists can feel love 
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What's worse: he's risking his salvation with it. Because if it is, as Elodin says, he has to repent his sins in life - but as *I* said, and as is rather obvious, to repent in life it is necessary to see and understand your sins, otherwise you WILL NOT repent, because you don't see anything repentworthy.
That means, of course, should Elodin err somewhere, he's doomed, because he won't be able to repent, since he's not seeing his sins.
I do think, that Elodin's claim to be unerringly right with his interpretations of God's word, is a grave sin in itself: PRIDE. No common man is without fault and error, therefore no one should pride themselves with "knowing it all and knowing it all better than everyone else" - being unfallable -, especially not if the word of god is concerned. It seems just a tad presumptious.
I was under the impression that it was all about humblness and modesty, and if you look at people like Markkur it's more than just theory.
You would think, that this should be rather obvious, but my impression is, that "obvious" is probably a word we could safely delete from the vocabulary of this world without losing anything.
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Doublethink in action again.
SillySpeak, I don't double speak nor am I double minded. 
The problem you are facing is one many atheists before you have faced. You want to believe all sorts of nasty things about God, his people, and his Book and you want to claim all sorts of nasty things about them but such claims are easily refuted by someone who actually knows what the Bible says. That leaves you frustrated and angry. That is why you are down to just throwing around insults and name-calling like a child.
What you need to think about is why you get so mad when a person says God gives everyone the right to defend themselves, society the right to defend itself, or a nation the right to defend itself. I can think of many things to get mad about but getting mad because someone thinks he should defend himself and his family is not one of them.
IF I am wrong about God allowing self defense by individuals, societies, or nations, PROVE IT. I'm not in the same denomination I started my journey with God in as I am open to the truth and have the greatest of respect for the Bible. If you can show me that God says neither nations nor individuals nor society has the right of self defense I'll gladly change my beliefs.
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Mention God Jahwe's bloody laws and deeds, and it's about the Old Covenant suddenly, being only for Jews and Jesus started a new one;
No one has ever been so bloody as an "enlightened" materialistic atheist. Atheists have been responsible for the deaths of over 250 million in the last 100 years alone. Far, far, more than all other religions combined for all of recorded history.
Yep, God has a right to judge. Always has, always will. It is his universe and he is the judge. He's willing to show mercy but some people are too stubborn to turn from their sins. Oh well, he offered salvation. If you don't want to eat humble pie you get your just deserts.
And yep, God said societies have the right of self-defense (executing criminals.)
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mention that Jesus may have used words like "sword" to explain that his teachings will split the Jews, but has preached peace, love, and humility, but not war, never war - and suddenly the Old Covenant shows that "just" wars are completely ok for God.
Jolly Joke, Jesus told his disciples to buy a sword. You don't use a sword for shaving or for making sushi.
The Bible allows for self defense and for righteous wars. It would take a true idiot to think a nation could exist without a standing army to defend itself with. A nation that unilaterally disarms will soon be conquered unless a benevolent and kind superpower like the US is willing to protect the idiots.
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OH NOZZZZZZZ. JESUS TALKED ABOUT BEING ARMED AGAIN. AIEEEEEEEE!!!!! What if Jesus had said to take Kung Fu classes, would that have been ok?
Ooooooo. Maybe we should cut off our hands and feet so we won't be tempted to use them in self defense! And sew our mouths shut so we can't bite in self defense either. What does youzzz think JJ?
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OH NOESSSSSSS!!!! Defend the orphans. Noeeeeees!!!!!! We is supposed to let the criminals kill them!!!
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Oh NOEEEEEEESSSS!!! God said not to punish someone who kills a home invader!!!!!!
Killing folks:
Murder: unjust and on purpose.
Manslaughter: unjust but accidental.
Execution of criminals (social self defense): just and on purpose.
Killing in war (national self defense): just and on purpose.
Killing in personal self-defense: just and on purpose.
Self defense resulting in an accidental death: just but accidental.
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Nor had he problems with killing everyone, including his own, except one family, with the death penalty for ridiculous "offenses" with human sacrifices, with slavery, and other things you wouldn't expect from a superior being.
The whole time Noah was building the ark he was preaching. But God won't make people repent. **Shurgs** Noah and his family listened to God. I guess the others should have done the same but they loved their sin too much to do that.
Oh, the only human sacrifice God has ever accepted is his self-sacrifice of his human manifestation. Jesus Christ.
Slavery wasn't God's idea. Idiots from the time of Nimrod (hunter of men) have enslaved others. God placed limitations on slavery in Israel and required that they be treated better than any others around the world. Course officially atheist nations have all had slaves kept in concentration camps mostly.
Jesus came to seek and save us from sin and the punishment for sin, not to start a political revolution. Around two-thirds of the world were slaves when Rome was the dominant world power.
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Killing folks:
Murder: unjust and on purpose.
Manslaughter: unjust but accidental.
Execution of criminals (social self defense): just and on purpose.
Killing in war (national self defense): just and on purpose.
Killing in personal self-defense: just and on purpose.
Self defense resulting in an accidental death: just but accidental.
Just wondering:
Where does "Invading Iraq to spread democracy" belong to?
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I advise everyone with respect for their intelligence to leave this thread, after reading Elodin's fanatic irrational and illogical responses (anyone else realise that taking 100% unproven nonsense that the Bible is, as fact, is a mental/logic deficiency that apparently 90% of humans are genetically predisposed to?).
I'd rather not fall for the temptation to reply to Elodin AGAIN, and listen to his desperate attempts to defend his statements with BIBLICAL QUOTES, never actually answering everyone's question of "what makes the Bible reliable and true in the FIRST PLACE". Why? He has NO ARGUMENTS for that, apart from an ironic "The Bible is fact, because in the Bible it states so".  PARANOIA 
I actually wouldn't be surprised if Elodin was in reality an atheist with a great knowledge of the Bible, who is here to provoke both theists and atheists in curiosity for their responses...
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a benevolent and kind superpower like the US.
Man I love you, in a very christian way.
EDIT: I love you too Skrentzydude, platonically... AND SEXUALLY!
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Oh dear, that may end unpleasantly
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The Bible allows for self defense and for righteous wars. It would take a true idiot to think a nation could exist without a standing army to defend itself with. A nation that unilaterally disarms will soon be conquered unless a benevolent and kind superpower like the US is willing to protect the idiots.
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Where does "Invading Iraq to spread democracy" belong to?
National External Offense?
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From this topic I learned that the Arabs and especially the Iraqis have Jesus' permission (in written no less) to destroy at least half of the US cities and kill a few hundred thousand or maybe even a million people and that will be a most Christian thing to do. I guess the US are lucky that most of the Arabs are Muslims and consider Jesus a second-hand prophet in comparison with Muhammad and thus stick to the latter's more peaceful jihad concept...
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I advise everyone with respect for their intelligence to leave this thread, after reading Elodin's fanatic irrational and illogical responses (anyone else realise that taking 100% unproven nonsense that the Bible is, as fact, is a mental/logic deficiency that apparently 90% of humans are genetically predisposed to?).
Poor Tweety Bird is having a bad day.  Life is so hard for tweenie birds,eh? There, there, just let it all out and have a good cry and maybe you'll feel better.
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"what makes the Bible reliable and true in the FIRST PLACE". Why? He has NO ARGUMENTS for that, apart from an ironic "The Bible is fact, because in the Bible it states so". PARANOIA
Oh, Tweets, the Bible has been attacked for thousands of years and is still standing. You want to know why? It is the word of the God you claim that does not exist. 
Loony atheists (I did not say all atheists are loons) have claimed this or that about the Bible is not historically accurate but they have proven wrong time and time and time again by archeology. They claimed King David never existed. That has been proven to be a lie. They said Solomon never existed. Once again, they have been proven wrong. They claimed certain things in Acts were historically wrong. Proven wrong again.
Poor angry atheists wailing against the wind in their desperate attempt to deny God.
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When renowned archaeologist Sir William Ramsay started his explorations in Asia Minor, he doubted the historicity of the book of Acts. But after hundreds of hours of research, he began to change his mind. A careful study of Acts 14:5-12 led him to believe that Luke was quite familiar with the places, people, and events about which he wrote. In this passage, Luke wrote that Paul and Barnabas fled from Iconium to “Lystra and Derbe, cities of Lycaonia” (14:6). It formerly was assumed in ancient geography that Iconium was a city of Lycaonia (e.g., like Montgomery is a city of Alabama). This passage was considered by some Bible critics to be a typical example of the lack of local exactitude by the author of Acts, and thus evidence against divine inspiration. However, as Ramsay went on to demonstrate conclusively, this was not the case. Iconium was not a part of Lycaonia. Rather, it belonged to Phrygia, an entirely different district of Asia Minor. This change may sound like a minor point, but it was a very important one in the thought of Ramsay. His attitude toward the book of Acts began to change radically. The more he studied Acts, the more he became an ardent advocate of the trustworthiness of Luke’s scholarship.
Archaeology can be a great asset to people who are searching for knowledge. It enlightens our reading of the Scripture as it continues to confirm the Bible’s historical accuracy. Those who have studied the book of Acts in light of archaeology have found that where references are checkable, Luke always was correct, regardless of the country, city, island, or person he mentioned. As Wayne Jackson observed: “This is truly remarkable, in view of the fact that the political/territorial situation of his day was in a state of almost constant change. Only inspiration can account for Luke’s precision” (“The Holy Bible—Inspired of God,” Christian Courier, 27[1]:1-3, May 1991). How very true.
See also Clicky and Clicky
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Luk 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
When Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead the Pharisees began to plot to kill Jesus AND Lazarus.
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Joh 11:45 Then many of the Jews which came to Mary, and had seen the things which Jesus did, believed on him.
Joh 11:46 But some of them went their ways to the Pharisees, and told them what things Jesus had done.
Joh 11:47 Then gathered the chief priests and the Pharisees a council, and said, What do we? for this man doeth many miracles.
Joh 12:9 Much people of the Jews therefore knew that he was there: and they came not for Jesus' sake only, but that they might see Lazarus also, whom he had raised from the dead.
Joh 12:10 But the chief priests consulted that they might put Lazarus also to death;
Joh 12:11 Because that by reason of him many of the Jews went away, and believed on Jesus.
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posted April 27, 2011 05:10 PM |
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@Elodin
I do not wnat to jump on a bandwagon, as a mattter of fact I detest that it is even remotely possible to do so here in the OSM.
Most of what you hold dear, I do too, but (imovho) this sword business is a serious error. If only you alone held it but I've seen a very unhealthy split in His church and have met many that agree with you.
If I may, one question;
Do you think the "common person" is likely to "turn the other cheek" if they have a sword (and a sword mentality) on their side and a Holy mandate to use it?
I do not for a second. We are creatures of passion and that overrules thinking far too often, at least it has for me. Jesus IS Jesus...I am not.
I'm not attacking at all but just remembering Matt. 5. well, along with "those that live by the sword will die by the sword".
@Ramble not aimed at anyone
"Eye for an Eye" is O.T. and NOT the new covenent and has not been confined to courts. We've seen it in Ireland and a host of other places. within war...it is the natural man's nature and not confined only within religion by any means. It's unfortunately...my instinctive base nature as well.
I think this a difficult subject (and I certainly am not God and calling the shots)but I do try and rest on this the best i can;
If Jesus had resorted to human nature (to your swords men!)and let it rule before the cross? What would I then have had to follow?
The choice He made is what I do TRY to follow today. "Father forgive them for they know not what they do"
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Wow, are you ignorant or incapable of answering a question? PROVE that the Bible is the word of "god". All your arguments so far are supported by "...because it states so in the Bible", BUT PROVE THE BIBLE FACTUAL AND TRUE.
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Oh, Tweets, the Bible has been attacked for thousands of years and is still standing. You want to know why?
A)Because most people are limited enough to unquestionably believe whatever nonsense their religious/cultural upbringing implanted in their brains.
B)Because the Church is a too wealthy and politically influential/manipulative mafia to be taken down easily. Illegalising and getting rid of the Church is just as impossible as doing so with other drugs like weed/cigarettes/alcohol/cocaine/amphetamine and so on.
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Loony atheists (I did not say all atheists are loons) have claimed this or that about the Bible is not historically accurate but they have proven wrong time and time and time again by archeology. They claimed King David never existed. That has been proven to be a lie. They said Solomon never existed. Once again, they have been proven wrong. They claimed certain things in Acts were historically wrong. Proven wrong again.
Huh? I don't deny that they existed, but their existence is absolutely irrelevant and doesn't prove anything, they were just people like you and me, what's your point? I don't deny Jesus' existence either, but he was nothing more than a good, but mentally-ill man.
Dinosaurs, Mother Teresa, Hitler, Cleopatra, Gandhi, and Dodo birds existed too you know...oh wait, that's irrelevant, just as your arguments.
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