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posted June 07, 2011 05:23 PM |
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Why so many people believe in little green men?
Little green men aren't of course meant to be interpreted literally. I mean alien civilizations in general. I find it weird that people always consider those little green men to be:
- smarter than us
- more advanced
- obviously aware of our civilization
- peaceful
- looking with pity on Earthlings
Idk, perhaps people really need to believe in something. If not Zeus or Jesus, then it's reincarnation or little green men. Whatever.
What's your opinion on that?
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posted June 07, 2011 05:27 PM |
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Well if extraterrestrials ever showed up the conventional way in literature, in spaceships from a different solar system, I know I would make the assumption that they're vastly better than us. It would be idiotic not to; either that or you're so accustomed to being at the top of the food chain that you'd emotionally reject your obvious inferiority.
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posted June 07, 2011 05:28 PM |
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Idk, perhaps some people really need to believe in something. If not Zeus or Jesus, then it's reincarnation or little green men.
Fixed that for you.
But I think that's just it. Some people find religion unappealing or grow up in a country where religion isn't the norm, but they still want to believe in something "special"/paranormal/supernatural/etc. Some believe in ghosts, some in aliens, some in homeopathy. It doesn't matter to them as long as it's not grounded in reason.
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posted June 07, 2011 05:36 PM |
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Considering the amount of galaxies in existance, it seems funny that only 1 planet in 1 certain system in a certain galaxy has life.
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posted June 07, 2011 05:39 PM |
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Well if extraterrestrials ever showed up the conventional way in literature, in spaceships from a different solar system, I know I would make the assumption that they're vastly better than us. It would be idiotic not to; either that or you're so accustomed to being at the top of the food chain that you'd emotionally reject your obvious inferiority.
no extraterrestrials ever showed up, so... why does the majority assume the other civilization, if there even is one, must be superior?
Why not the avatar-like primitive tribes? Why always the "we are oh-so-smart aliens" 
That's what puzzles me. Do people really need a paternal figure over humanity that much that deeming God "too stupid" or "too old to believe in" they move to super intelligent aliens bringing pyramids to us or something? As if that is any more logical or proven...
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posted June 07, 2011 05:39 PM |
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Though a more important (and entertaining) question is how many of those potential lifeforms are much more than the equivalent of plankton.
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posted June 07, 2011 05:40 PM |
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Because the song 'Microbes on Mars?' wouldn't have been such a big hit for Bowie.
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posted June 07, 2011 05:48 PM |
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We are but just a glimpse amongst an unknown number of galaxies and millions of planets out there within the space, to assume we are the only alive form in the universe is to me the same egocentric way of thinking that got religion into our lives....
We are not that special, we are just evolved animals, statistically speaking there is no way in hell that there aren't other life forms out there, and yeah some of them will be inferior, others will indeed be superior...
In case one of them visits us before we visit it, it's safe to assume that they are a bit more evolved (technologically at least), I just hope I won't live to see that day even though it would be wrong to assume that they will have similar "goals" to humans when we discover new places, considering the fact that we have no idea what they will ever be like nor how will their way of thinking work, safe to assume we will never be able to understand it as humans aren't all knowing nor we will ever be....some things we will never understand, not a bad thing IMO....
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posted June 07, 2011 05:51 PM |
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@Doomforge:
The romanticism of extraterrestrials in the late 19th and early 20th centuries was, for the most part, sprouted from War of the Worlds, which rode on the wings of popular speculation at the time (such as the belief that the ruts on the surface of Mars were in fact canals that were built by the native inhabitants). People in London had nobody above them to fear at the time, so H.G. Wells had to get creative in telling his story and instead used extraterrestrials. It's the idea of them, coming to us, and in that context, it's pretty straightforward to assume that they're superior to us.
While some of it may be grounded in the urge to find an object of reverence, I think extraterrestrials (in classical literature) serve more as an exhilarating thriller for people.
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posted June 07, 2011 05:53 PM |
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smithey, are you religious?
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posted June 07, 2011 05:56 PM |
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Edited by Smithey at 17:56, 07 Jun 2011.
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No, and by no means did I intend to offend your religion or anybody else's for that matter, if I did, sorry, my bad....
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posted June 07, 2011 05:59 PM |
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Relax. I just thought you are because of very religious way of reasoning. Such as "there must be XYZ" or "it's egocentric NOT to believe in ZYX" used on thesis without a shred of proof. 
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posted June 07, 2011 06:02 PM |
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Considering the amount of galaxies in existance, it seems funny that only 1 planet in 1 certain system in a certain galaxy has life.
That's all that needs to be said really.
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posted June 07, 2011 06:09 PM |
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As I have stated it's statistically improbable to think we are the only ones, I don't need a proof to make a logical assumption hence it is called an assumption and not a fact....
You thinking we are the only life form in the universe (which we are unaware of at all) is the same thing as some little kid born on an island in pacific within a small village who has never seen other people yet still believes his people are the only ones and earth is nothing more but a small island surronded by limitless sea....
You choose to believe in ignorance is a bliss or that we are so damn unique, I choose to believe that if it happened on one planet it probably happened on others as well... We can agree to disagree 
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posted June 07, 2011 06:14 PM |
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You thinking we are the only life form in the universe (which we are unaware of at all) is the same thing as some little kid born on an island in pacific within a small village who has never seen other people yet still believes his people are the only ones and earth is nothing more but a small island surronded by limitless sea....
There is not a shred of proof there is anything sentient out there, so it's up to beliefs, like it or not.
Unless you really want to go into the "do you also believe in flying spaghetti monsters" direction... 
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You choose to believe in ignorance is a bliss or that we are so damn unique, I choose to believe that if it happened on one planet it probably happened on others as well... We can agree to disagree
I never said anything about my beliefs here and I really don't like when people claim I think this or that way because they suspect I do... 
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posted June 07, 2011 06:21 PM |
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There is not a shred of proof there is anything sentient out there, so it's up to beliefs, like it or not.
Are you familiar with schrodinger's cat ? Cat is withing the box and poison is administered at the same time cat is both alive and dead (it's a paradox) however assuption is that when we open the box the cat will be dead even though we can't prove it unless we actually open the box... NO proof, logical assumption, that's what it is like it or not...
edit: by the way they did find life forms on mars unless I'm mistaken...
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I never said anything about my beliefs here and I really don't like when people claim I think this or that way because they suspect I do...
I apologize if I have made the wrong assumption, however if somebody opposes a certain point it's safe to assume he believes otherwise, unless you're looking to play the devil's advocate... Never claimed my assumptions are always on point, not a mind reader, if it was offensive, it wasn't meant as such, sorry...
Feel free to state your opinion on the subject
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posted June 07, 2011 06:25 PM |
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There is not a shred of proof there is anything sentient out there, so it's up to beliefs, like it or not.
There is no "proof" and there is no "evidence" - all there is is speculation. But that works both ways. To suppose or believe that there's nothing out there is as much speculation is to suppose or believe that there is.
Personally I find it unlikely that we're the only life forms in the Universe, and indeed unlikely that we're the only sentient life forms in the Universe. We've already found numerous planets in the habitable zone, and even here on Earth we've discovered life forms in the most unlikely of places. Given what we know about the way life forms (admittedly little), there doesn't seem anything overly special about Earth - it just had the right mixture of temperatures, radiation and elements to get the job done. None of those temperatures, radiations and elements are particularly unique. So why not?
If we're talking about little green men in UFOs that abduct and inspect the lower colons of trailer dwellers in the Midwest and crash land with alarming frequency in New Mexico, however, well then that's a whole different matter. 
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posted June 07, 2011 06:27 PM |
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@smithey
I do not find anything on the interwebs offensive, no worries
Also, you can't respond "Schrodinger's cat" to somebody asking for proof for little green men.
Face it - there's no proof. Zero. Nihil. None. It's up to everybody to have his/hers personal belief on that matter, until a proof of the thesis being correct or incorrect is found.
Theories are not always right, for example Einstein's Static Universe which was proven wrong. So if someone has a theory that there are aliens out there, I don't have anything against it, unless he starts considering it a fact (in which case I ask for proof and get none).
I consider myself an "alien agnostic". There may be sentient life forms, they may not be. who knows. Right now there's no proof, so we can just fantasize. What surprises me however is that so many people picture hypothetical alien races as some sort of paternal figures for oblivious earthlings - something I consider "religion 2.0".
@Cor hey check HCM 
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posted June 07, 2011 06:34 PM |
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Never claimed there is a proof nor that I can prove anything, used the cat only to explain what is behind my reasoning.... My opinion was merely my logical assumption, nothing more...
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posted June 07, 2011 06:37 PM |
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Which is fine - however I mostly wanted to talk about why humans picture aliens the way I described in 1st post, not about whether HC members believe in aliens
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