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posted September 08, 2003 11:01 PM |
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ROFLLMAO !!
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posted September 08, 2003 11:09 PM |
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Americans... Interesting bunch, glad we got rid of them when we got the chance in the revolution, hell we even persuaded them it was THEIR idea!  Clear evidence of early american gullability there wouldn't you say? They mess with the past with their so-called "Historical" movies and the present with their apparently "ethical" policies and the future by electing morons to lead them. Clear case for a nation to hate? Nah because they're great for someone to laugh at, are full of religious lunatics (meaning they're not here mostly) and occaisionally have their uses.
Don't Tread on Me! Sorry, had to say it. Anyway, Britain DID treat us terribly, the colonies deserved a little better. And we are just about the least religous nation on the face of the planet. My family are like the only people in the state of Virginia that attends any religious function.
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posted September 08, 2003 11:30 PM |
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Did I forget to add that american's take themselves far too seriously?
But since you insist...
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Anyway, Britain DID treat us terribly
Perchance we should have modelled ourselves on Washington and Jackson's treatment of the Native Americans and Black population under their control when dealing with you instead then?
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the colonies deserved a little better
Freedom of speech, freedom to kill your friendly neighbours without worrying about it, freedom to bear arms, freedom to enslave a part of your population... hell what more do you want? Liberty?
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And we are just about the least religous nation on the face of the planet.
*ticks them off on fingers*
Mormons, Jehovas Witnesses, Evangelists, Quakers, the list of cults and weird religions is quite literally endless 
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posted September 08, 2003 11:43 PM |
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Damn, why Hicks didn't die...
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posted September 09, 2003 12:26 AM |
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*sniffs the air*
Hmmm smells like... an off topic post
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posted September 09, 2003 12:35 AM |
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Did I forget to add that american's take themselves far too seriously?
But since you insist...
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Anyway, Britain DID treat us terribly
Perchance we should have modelled ourselves on Washington and Jackson's treatment of the Native Americans and Black population under their control when dealing with you instead then?
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the colonies deserved a little better
Freedom of speech, freedom to kill your friendly neighbours without worrying about it, freedom to bear arms, freedom to enslave a part of your population... hell what more do you want? Liberty?
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And we are just about the least religous nation on the face of the planet.
*ticks them off on fingers*
Mormons, Jehovas Witnesses, Evangelists, Quakers, the list of cults and weird religions is quite literally endless
All of your retorts are based on the theory that two wrongs make a right. You seem to forget the unbearably high taxes, the lack of representation in Parliament, and the stealing of half of the things the colonies produced. Then you try to play it off saying that Britain didn't care that they lost America. While I'll admit that they didn't pour resources into the battle, the did send a very good general, COrnwallis. Washington beat him and the place has a whole lot better ever since. Well, the early parts were rough, but we got the hang of it.
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arachnid
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posted September 09, 2003 12:40 AM |
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nothing wrong with being miserable and drunk. Your just miffed cos we always kick your ass. I think you will find its your country that tried to take over ireland, france and took over the welsh. Talk about trying rule everyone near you.
Welsh people do hate the english its just that there scared to say it and so only speak it to each other in jibberish/welsh. I think they only handed over the "gift" after you conquered them. Its funny how the Romans conquered you. Then years late the vikings kicked your ass and conquered england. Then the french came and conquered you. Years later they head back to conquer france.
no wonder the english are mixed up
Alexander the great was king of Macedonia who basically kicked greeces ass
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posted September 09, 2003 12:44 AM |
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While Alexander was Macedonion, he was in charge of Greece.
Anyway, it doesn't matter what any anti-american says, they just are attacking the one on top right now. If China took over America's role as single major world power, there would be heavy anti-Chinese sentiment, just like there's heavy anti-AMerican sentiment at the moment.
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posted September 09, 2003 12:48 AM |
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And we are just about the least religous nation on the face of the planet. My family are like the only people in the state of Virginia that attends any religious function.
This is a joke, right? The only nations that the US isn't religious when compared to are the Middle Eastern Theocracies. I spent 13 years of my life in various parts of Virginia and I can guarantee you that there are a lot more families than just yours that attend religious functions. Although thankfully, I wan't one of them.
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posted September 09, 2003 01:32 AM |
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You seem to forget the unbearably high taxes, the lack of representation in Parliament, and the stealing of half of the things the colonies produced
And? We did this to people in Britain too! We were just being friendly You forgot to mention btw that prior to the ejecting of the french from Canada and Northern USA you ignored a lot of these issues because you NEEDED us there.
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Then you try to play it off saying that Britain didn't care that they lost America
And they wonder why we brits claim americans are lacking in their understanding of certain forms of humour.... It was a JOKE
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Washington beat him
Washington didn't beat cornwallis, the french beat cornwallis. Do the math, deduct the french army from the siege of yorktown (who btw brought the majority of the siege guns), deduct the fleet sinking our supplies from england and add the army sailing from NY to our forces (stopped by the threat of the french navy). Work it out from there
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Your just miffed cos we always kick your ass.
1745 ring a bell perchance? Whom won that? Whom beat whom at flodden? Yeah, you always "kicked our arse" but mostly against piss-poor leaders and/or when our army was busy kicking the french about to care about you.
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I think you will find its your country that tried to take over ireland, france and took over the welsh
Only because we could, you pissed about raiding us every year for centuries until we got smart and conquered you Even then you tried to install immensely unpopular fops like the stuarts on the throne, even though no-one here liked them one bit.... Hence the "conquer us" bit, you would of had you either the ability, numbers or the brains.
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I think they only handed over the "gift" after you conquered them
They didn't just "hand it over" they willingly served in our armies using it thank you 
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Its funny how the Romans conquered you
Made us civilised, unlike you barbarians up there You even still paint your face the same colour as you used to
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Then years late the vikings kicked your ass and conquered england
Along with half of western europe it should be added here. They also battered scotland a bit until they worked out it's a pile of rubbish not worth the effort Btw interesting point which throws slightly your upcoming argument. Vikings once sailed up the Seine and were about to sack Paris when the french bought them off with land.... Try to recall geography and guess which bit of france they gave them....
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Then the french came and conquered you
That will be the NORMANS, as they weren't really part of the kingdom of france at that stage. And yes you guessed it, norman is from the french meaning "man of the north", or Viking... throws your point off a little, just a change in lineage a bit
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no wonder the english are mixed up
As opposed to the Scottish, who are mostly Irish until recently and now they're anything under the sun like us....
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Alexander the great was king of Macedonia who basically kicked greeces ass
Well if I recall, the greeks considered Macedonians as kinda uncouth greeks, barely greek, but better than Foreigners. Civilised but only just. His father Philip began to subjugate the greek city states under his rule, was assasinated and Alexander continued the job.
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posted September 09, 2003 01:50 AM |
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well excuuuuse me for butting in... but
Macedonians were related to the Spartans and were very much Greeks... Alexander was as Greek as Socrates, Leonidas, etc...
since I live in the largest city of Macedonia and I'm half Macedonian, half Thessalian, I think I know things a bit better than you on this subject...
the reason "Greeks" didn't like them that much was that the Athenians were dominant and they were against the Macedonians who as I said were related to the Spartans...
...don't believe everything you hear...
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posted September 09, 2003 01:59 AM |
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See? They hate eachother even now, I bet given a chance he'd have his country split into city states again
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Lith-Maethor
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posted September 09, 2003 02:10 AM |
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nah, that would make travelling a lot harder...
I would keep things the way they are ...at least now when things go wrong we have the Athenians to blame
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posted September 09, 2003 02:20 AM |
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Rather than deal with and do something about the problem... that would need organisation and a will to work huh Lith?
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posted September 09, 2003 02:31 AM |
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Private, you're always bashing me for being a nationalist, yet your doing the same thing.
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posted September 09, 2003 02:41 AM |
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Heh heh. Knew this would happen. I'm just parrotting what my Macedonian friend says. I know very little about the intricacies of Aegean ethnicity. Although I will admit that it's fun to get her worked up about it.
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posted September 09, 2003 02:45 AM |
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Private, you're always bashing me for being a nationalist, yet your doing the same thing.
You're taking what's meant to be humour seriously, grow and lighten up, life's not about serious discussions ALL the time
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posted September 09, 2003 02:49 AM |
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Technically, when you refer to ass-kickings that happened so many years ago, with all the interbreeding and whatnot that inevitably follows invasions/occupations, a more accurate term for both the Norman and the Viking attacks on the island now known as the UK is "You came and kicked your own ass."
Put it this way, telling a person from modern day China that the Mongols kicked his ass is a little strange since 100:1 odds say that that guy has some Mongol blood in him.
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posted September 09, 2003 11:05 AM |
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2 principalities? Greece had nothing more than city states, and half the time they didn't even ally themselves to the other. Hardly a case of divided into two, for a lot of that period you're talking more 5 or 6 main states in greece.
Need I remind you that although they were city-states they had quite a number of colonies which granted them a flourishing economy? That beats the ass off an inland peaceful, non-military principality by my standards.
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That's because they had the common sense to thrash them when they did beat them, teaching them a lesson they wouldn't forget in a hurry you know?
Care to list the battles fought by Alexander? I mean assuming how many exactly per side is counted as a "battle" by your terminology.
That just shows your inability to teach them a lasting lesson
Ever considered beating them thoroughly on the field of battle and counter invading? A la Alexander?
The average number of invading turkish soldiers per battle was 40-50.000, while our troops numbered about 10-12.000, of which half were peasants.
We did thrash the turks, on numerous occasions hacking and slashing them until they reached the Danube. Although the turks always had huge losses, an offensive campaign across the Danube would have meant mass suicide.
Counter invading? Dude not even the crusaders were able to put an end to the ottoman empire, and you want a handful of soldiers to reach and conquer Istanbul (Constantinople)? Be real
Think about the hundred-year war in numerical terms. France's population/size and England's were nearly the same. Now think of a small state like the principality of Moldova (1/6 England's size) compared to the Ottoman empire which stretched across more than one continent. How would we support an invasion?
Alexander's army was mostly made out of mercenaries. Lose some, hire some more
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That just goes to show the total lack of foresight of your leaders. Guns or longbows would seem to be in order no?
Whoopy do, wouldn't it make more sense to be "the best organized, trained and equipped armies of those time" though? After all we did that to the french in the hundred years war... With peasants I may add, only we tended to use archers a little...
The inneficency, poor judgement and lack of foresight of your leaders is no reason to claim you had no chance, should of got better ones
There were no guns in Stephen's time (15th century).
We did use bows. Not longbows, they were characteristic to the britons, true, but our regular armies used bows alongside swords. The peasants however didn't use them. You can't expect untrained peasants to wield a bow with decent results, can you?
Our leaders were far from how you describe them, having beaten the odds everytime, often humiliating the invaders. I wouldn't call winning 90% of the battles inefficient (not to mention the huge difference between our casualties and theirs - in our favour ofcourse). I would personally call it excellent use of tactics and a great ability to profit from home turf advantage.
Our population did not allow us to have a larger professional (stable) army. The one we DID have showed great skill in battle, despite their inferior equipement.
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BTW the greeks consisted of more than sparta, Greece was more than 1 or two city states, and greek history includes more than "2 battles" against the persians or their allies.
How many of their battles have taken place on greek territory?
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posted September 09, 2003 02:54 PM |
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Need I remind you that although they were city-states they had quite a number of colonies which granted them a flourishing economy?
Which could easily be severed by cutting the naval power of the country... The greeks had the sense to keep control of the sea.
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That beats the ass off an inland peaceful, non-military principality by my standards.
Non-military is your problem, by and large the greeks weren't exactly training every last man under the sun to fight either.
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The average number of invading turkish soldiers per battle was 40-50.000, while our troops numbered about 10-12.000, of which half were peasants.
History lesson for you, 10,000 english troops killed 10,000 frenchmen out of 40-50,000 of them at Agincourt. We took their country off them soon after (though lost it sometime later through having a moron for a king).
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We did thrash the turks, on numerous occasions hacking and slashing them until they reached the Danube. Although the turks always had huge losses, an offensive campaign across the Danube would have meant mass suicide.
A bridge would appear to be in order then? Others managed such campaigns, your country simply couldn't be bothered and/or didn't have the right character to do what was needed.
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Counter invading? Dude not even the crusaders were able to put an end to the ottoman empire,
Nope, we Brits did that thank you Oh and the ottoman empire by and large didn't really exist at the time of the early crusades either.
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and you want a handful of soldiers to reach and conquer Istanbul (Constantinople)? Be real
No, you teach them a thorough and lasting lesson or make them fear you so much they never try again...
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Think about the hundred-year war in numerical terms. France's population/size and England's were nearly the same
Uhmmm no, france always has been much larger population wise than us. Granted we had allies, but numerically we were never on a parr with their armies.
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Alexander's army was mostly made out of mercenaries. Lose some, hire some more
With a central core of well trained greeks and macedonians who did the bulk of the vital fighting you should recall.
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There were no guns in Stephen's time (15th century).
Wrong, first use of cannon was in the 15th century, prior to 1430 if I recall the 100 years war ended around then, and a large factor in it's later battles was cannon. Do your research
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The peasants however didn't use them. You can't expect untrained peasants to wield a bow with decent results, can you?
Expect? no, we DEMANDED they learn how to use them, and use them well, that's why our "peasants" slaughtered the flower of french chivalry at agincourt with "decent results". Don't excuse yourself because you didn't have the wits to train people properly.
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I would personally call it excellent use of tactics and a great ability to profit from home turf advantage.
And yet a total inability to gain lasting peace
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Our population did not allow us to have a larger professional (stable) army
Nor did ours. Ever. We still kicked butt
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How many of their battles have taken place on greek territory
A) Waiting for your definition of numbers involved that categorises "battle"
B) The greeks had the good sense NOT to fight at home
C) When they did they had the bad sense to fight eachother, sometimes at the same time as the persians
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