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Dingo
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posted September 24, 2003 06:21 AM |
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This is something that has happened to a close family member of mine and I just thought it needed to be shared and to let everyone out there know that the US goverment isn't all that people make it our to be.......instead of innocent till proven guilty you are guilty until proven innocent.
I don't think this happend to Kitten. Did it happen to Kitten?
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Kittenangel
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posted September 24, 2003 06:23 AM |
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No this happened to my Neice
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BountyHunter97
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posted September 24, 2003 06:24 AM |
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i dunno i get the impression that is, but i told u! my letters mite work 
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Dingo
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posted September 24, 2003 06:24 AM |
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Maybe your family could loan money/ donate money for a lawyer?
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BountyHunter97
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posted September 24, 2003 06:26 AM |
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o it didnt happen 2 u c im smart... lol u can start a fundraizer
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Dingo
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posted September 24, 2003 06:30 AM |
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No not a fundraiser, sorry but i really hate it when people beg, whatever the cause.
I meant well if one of your family members was going to get deported, wouldn't you pitch in a little? Like get Uncle Bob or Grandma to help.
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BountyHunter97
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posted September 24, 2003 06:36 AM |
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well u can always start your own country, that is my dream, no d*** goverment, laws that leave people in misery, people that cant take kids away *hint*
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Kittenangel
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posted September 24, 2003 06:38 AM |
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She has a very good lawyer very expensive. 150.00 an hour not to mention 1,000 down.
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BountyHunter97
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posted September 24, 2003 06:55 AM |
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whoa $150 an hour, that how much $ i make in like 8 months....
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Valeriy
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posted September 25, 2003 02:20 AM |
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That really reminds me of the large scale opearations of US. World Bank and International Monetary Fund are made to help developing nations, and have caused dozens of nations into complete poverty, and debt slavery. They funded forced migrations schemes that destroyed rainforests, killed towns and caused civil wars. You won't hear it in the media, but the information is all there.
US, through the IMF is forcing indebted countries to open their agricultural markets by removing import tariffs and export subsidies, to bring about globalisation. Meanwhile the US has huge agricultural tariffs and subsidies, and won't remove them.
Countries that cannot meet their World Bank loan repayments have to meet them or risk a trade embargo. Those World Bank loans were mostly funds that went into corruption or grand scheme projects that by the World Bank's own measure of selected projects, are profitable and sustainable only 1/3 of the time!
To meet the loan payments the countries have to borrow from the IMF. IMF only borrows if the country changes its laws to the "Washington Consensus" - the structural adjustment model of complete right wing deregulation. There are no other borrowers, so countries have to do it. America itself by the way, uses the opposite of the policies that they preach.
It just stinks. After finding all this out, I think there there is no civilisation in the world, same old tyrany hidden behind good causes.
Same as in the case with your relative, on global scale, US acts out of "good intentions", causing havoc, poverty and destruction, and always knows better and will not be questioned, rules are for others.
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bort
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posted September 25, 2003 02:56 AM |
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That's really interesting, Val. Could you please explain, in actual detail, not vague accusations, how exactly the IMF, World Bank and the US and the rest of the developed world (I noticed you didn't mention the EU and it's common agricultural policy when you singled out US subsidies, or Japan's intervention to keep the Yen weak when you talk about trade barriers. I'll assume those were accidental ommisions and not a deliberate skewing of the story) cause third world nations to be poorer than they would be if all these things didn't exist. I do not ask this as a knee jerk "It ain't our fault" response, nor do I claim that the IMF, World Bank, the US and the rest of the developed world do enough to alleviate world poverty, but I would like to know how the IMF, World Bank and the US (but apparently not the rest of the developed world) cause poverty. I am genuinely interested to know how the US, as a nation that owes considerably more money than it is owed keeps the developing world in debt slavery. Please do not reply, "well everybody knows this, you're just brainwashed," or "Americans always try to deny responsibility." Let's say that I am brainwashed. Assume I'm an idiot and deprogram me.
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Kittenangel
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posted September 25, 2003 07:51 AM |
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Way to go Big Brother!
Big Brother is such a joke.....here is just another example of how wonderful our government is......
A DeKalb County father says DFACS let his daughter slip through the cracks when she went missing 16 days ago.
Shardee Sturdivant, 14, reportedly ran away from a foster home, where DeKalb's Dept. of Family and Children Services had sent her to live. Stephen, Shardee's father, said he had no idea she was missing until an independent counseling service alerted him.
"When that counsel service showed up at my home, they informed me that the state lost [my] kid and the state refused to confirm the fact that they lost my kid," he said.
Now, Stephen is frantically searching for his daughter and seeing that DFACS answers for their alleged actions. To that end, Georgia’s child advocacy department is expected to hold a hearing Wednesday to discern exactly what happened with Shardee and if DFACS is at fault.
Dekalb County DFACS officials refused to comment on the matter, saying they are looking into the issue.
“I’m the whistleblower. I’m the one losing sleep. I’m the one worried about where the child is,” he said. “DFACS is trying to cover everything up. They won’t even talk to the news over the issue. They won’t talk to anyone, but they will talk to the courts and I’m going to see to that.”
Stephen said DFACS was in the wrong when they removed Shardee from his home because he threatened to spank her for staying out late and hanging out with a bad crowd.
Shardee Sturdivant was removed from her home after her father threatened to spank her for running with the crowd and staying out too late.
"Punishing your daughter, even to the point of spanking them, is not illegal in the state of Georgia, so why then are you taking my child,” he said.
Sturidvant has asked for a warrant to be issued on the foster parent who he says covered for his missing child and wasted precious time that police could have used.
"They should have informed the police properly with the proper documents to pick up the child and they should have informed me as a parent. DFACS failed on all three counts to inform anyone," he said.
"To have a DFACS worker look me in the eye and say, ‘You go find your kid,’ is very shocking since they took my kid from me and that without a justifiable cause," Sturdivant said.
DFACS does have an obligation to notify parents that their child has run away, but sometimes problems can prevent that information from being delivered.
Sturdivant has asked for an immediate hearing to regain custody of his daughter and has also demanded a DFACS investigation into what exactly happened.
Anyone with information about Shardee’s whereabouts is being asked to call 911.
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hamsi128
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posted September 25, 2003 08:27 AM |
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That's really interesting, Val. Could you please explain, in actual detail, not vague accusations, how exactly the IMF, World Bank and the US and the rest of the developed world (I noticed you didn't mention the EU and it's common agricultural policy when you singled out US subsidies, or Japan's intervention to keep the Yen weak when you talk about trade barriers. I'll assume those were accidental ommisions and not a deliberate skewing of the story) cause third world nations to be poorer than they would be if all these things didn't exist. I do not ask this as a knee jerk "It ain't our fault" response, nor do I claim that the IMF, World Bank, the US and the rest of the developed world do enough to alleviate world poverty, but I would like to know how the IMF, World Bank and the US (but apparently not the rest of the developed world) cause poverty. I am genuinely interested to know how the US, as a nation that owes considerably more money than it is owed keeps the developing world in debt slavery. Please do not reply, "well everybody knows this, you're just brainwashed," or "Americans always try to deny responsibility." Let's say that I am brainwashed. Assume I'm an idiot and deprogram me.
IMF stinks... yesterday Usa said to turkish gouvernement if turkish veteran army dont help usa army in Iraq, no money from Imf... its pity some people still defends Usa foreign politic methode.
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Kittenangel
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posted September 25, 2003 10:32 AM |
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The only thing the united states cares about is themselves oil money and war
Here is another tid bit y'all might like on how over bearing the government is:
> Published September 24, 2003 FOTO25
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> SALINA, Kan. -- Police officers and the city
> of Salina have been dismissed from a lawsuit filed
> by a woman interrogated last year about photos
> processed at a Wal-Mart store that included
> partially nude images of her 3-year-old daughter.
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> In the lawsuit, Tamie Dragone claims she was
> humiliated and her family's privacy was invaded when
> police called by store officials questioned her
> about the photos, which included a picture of her
> daughter playing topless in a swimming pool.
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> Dragone was approached by police as she waited
> for the photos to be developed and was questioned
> for about 45 minutes. She was eventually allowed to
> leave, but without the pictures.
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> Dragone is seeking damages of $262,473 for
> medical expenses and pain and suffering.
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> Attorneys for both sides agreed to dismiss the
> city defendants at a hearing last Friday. Dragone's
> attorney, Tom Boone, said Tuesday that the suit
> contends negligence by Wal-Mart caused the incident.
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> Salina Police Chief Jim Hill said in a
> statement the dismissal ``reinforces our strong
> belief that her claims ... were entirely without
> legal merit.''
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> Hill said officers had a statutory duty to
> look into the possibility that the photographs were
> evidence of child abuse.
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> Wal-Mart lawyers have moved for dismissal of
> claims against the retailer, saying the photos could
> have led a reasonable person to conclude the child
> was being sexually abused. District Judge Jerome
> Hellmer is to rule on that motion the week of Oct.
> 13.
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arachnid
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posted September 27, 2003 12:35 AM |
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Part 1
am i the only one reading these and think what a nerve the father has???????????
I mean
A) she was taken into care probably for a good reason, i mean we are only getting his side of the story
B) she seems like she would of run away from her dad anyways
I doubt a 14 old should be getting "spanked"
C) If she loved her dad do you not think she would of contacted him or tried to go home??????
D)“They won’t talk to anyone, but they will talk to the courts and I’m going to see to that.”
Am i the only one reading into this hes going to claim lots of compensation for all the stress and hurt its caused.
seems like he does give a sh** about his daughter.
part 2
As for the last one id rather have a police force and shop that looked into every such case than one who turns a blind eye on these sort of pictures (innocent as they may be)
Once again they seek to claim money over all the stress and the upset. I would think a normal parent would accept that the police/store are doing a good thing and praise them for it rather than trying to make a quick buck.
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Kittenangel
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posted September 27, 2003 05:59 AM |
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The point is....she was in The STATES care where they can take better care of her than her father, if so why did she run away? Seems a bit odd to me.
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arachnid
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posted September 27, 2003 11:19 PM |
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maybe its because shes a cheeky little brat
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Valeriy
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posted September 30, 2003 01:27 PM |
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That's really interesting, Val. Could you please explain, in actual detail, not vague accusations, how exactly the IMF, World Bank and the US and the rest of the developed world (I noticed you didn't mention the EU and it's common agricultural policy when you singled out US subsidies, or Japan's intervention to keep the Yen weak when you talk about trade barriers. I'll assume those were accidental ommisions and not a deliberate skewing of the story) cause third world nations to be poorer than they would be if all these things didn't exist. I do not ask this as a knee jerk "It ain't our fault" response, nor do I claim that the IMF, World Bank, the US and the rest of the developed world do enough to alleviate world poverty, but I would like to know how the IMF, World Bank and the US (but apparently not the rest of the developed world) cause poverty. I am genuinely interested to know how the US, as a nation that owes considerably more money than it is owed keeps the developing world in debt slavery. Please do not reply, "well everybody knows this, you're just brainwashed," or "Americans always try to deny responsibility." Let's say that I am brainwashed. Assume I'm an idiot and deprogram me.
It will take a lot of time to explain everything, so I'll ask you a few questions first.
Do you know what the "Washington Consensus" is?
Do you know what Structural Adjustment economic policies are?
Do you know the missions of World Bank, IMF and the WTO?
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bort
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posted September 30, 2003 10:42 PM |
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The Washington Consensus originally referred to a paper by an economist whos name I have forgotten in which he stated that there was a consensus among economists about 10 economic policies that led to growth. I don't remember all of them, but they were things like privatisation, deregulation and public investment in education and health care. He has since said that there was not, in fact a consensus about all of the points. It has come to be synonomous with totally unregulated market policies, but that was not its original meaning.
Structural adjustment policies are conditions placed on IMF loans/bailouts that vary from country to country but generally include things like floating the currency and privatising state owned industries.
I don't know the official stated goal of the IMF or the world bank. I suppose I could look it up, but I'm a lazy, lazy man. I think it's something along the lines of promoting stability and growth or some generalized claptrap that looks good when posted above a door.
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Valeriy
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posted October 01, 2003 12:17 AM |
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Yep, you're correct on the first two. I've decided to start a new thread on this. Don't be quick to react, I've only written one third so far.
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