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valkyrica
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posted October 08, 2003 05:18 AM |
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Yabba dabba doo
put your party hats on people ... we're shaking it up
Jinxer just wanted a spell LEFT IN, not TAKEN OUT for a change.
Apocalypse has come, everybody brace yourself, there will be major transformations going on ... not like the appearance ones we've had so far
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Arangar
Famous Hero
Weak ranger - lost viking
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posted October 08, 2003 01:20 PM |
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jinxer
I'll put it this way :
A lvl 3 spell like mass cancellation or towngate can be gotten by ALL 5 heroes by week7...
You can kill that single mage... or 2.. but 5?
When someone uses it against you this way you will write another post.
Ask zud to try
P.S: I think death magic is weaker than weak on IP, and mass cancellation should be in, but it cannot be in and be balanced unless it is lvl 4 or 5.
Arangar
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted October 08, 2003 02:36 PM |
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Quote:
I'll put it this way :
A lvl 3 spell like mass cancellation or towngate can be gotten by ALL 5 heroes by week7...
P.S: I think death magic is weaker than weak on IP, and mass cancellation should be in, but it cannot be in and be balanced unless it is lvl 4 or 5.
Arangar
Yes Arangar, it does suck to have mass cancel cast on you, but you wanna know what sucks even more!!!! Is when your opponent is casting Steal All enchantment and your death guild had NO mass cancel to defend with.
Arangar you still didnt answer my question...
I will ask it again.
Since all 5 heroes will have GM magic. WHy would it matter if Mass cancel was in the 4th or 5th guild slot?
I say if mass cancel is taken out, then Steal ALl Enchantments should come out also. That way there is only Mass dispel and is even for all.
Jinxer
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insatiable
Supreme Hero
Ultimate N00bidity
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posted October 08, 2003 04:18 PM |
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my vote
put LESS magic guilds in maps.
having almost all spells in a map, means breaking a chain in random pattern of the game that leads to balance.
example.. on may get some kickass artie..but other player may get some kickass spell..if both get good spells, then the kickass artie will dominate
so, by increasing randomness in many fields of a map, you make it more balanced.
still, depending on map, some arties spells may still be disabled..
i think only arties cant fit in , is sperm ring and nwctravelboots.. frizzbie yes badbad.. but you can die having it, if you have sperm on you , you cant die!
mass cancel-towngate off, on most maps inappropriate, medium-normal length ones especially(i remind you order has teleport too! as kickass lev3 spell left in)
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valkyrica
Supreme Hero
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posted October 08, 2003 05:40 PM |
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don't forget mass blur and mass precision
now, i have to make a suggestion to laelth here ... since everyone makes a gm life hero on imperial prison, regardless his original race, i would vote for sanctuary to be out of castle guilds or you can do what bacharakis suggested, cut down some guilds to level 3 ...
think about this for a moment ... life should have a benefit with its level 5 spell for troops, but devils with sanctuary ... that's bad, in fact ... just REMOVE it !
and, YES, me and Jinxer are buddies now, can't you tell by my recent posts ?
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insatiable
Supreme Hero
Ultimate N00bidity
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posted October 08, 2003 06:34 PM |
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playing 40h a map isnt bad
but i cant do it over 2-3 times on SAME..3rd is alrdy a drag
maybe im disturbed yes..
i mean , i really enjoyed IP on my kolia cisir game, and do too with gust game..
.. map to map, playability varies alot.. no? IP is an epic..how many times can you watch ben hur? i think i only did when released -must have been age-minus then
its one of terry gilliams favourite films too you know..
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Blue_Camel
Famous Hero
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posted October 09, 2003 03:28 AM |
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Quote:
put LESS magic guilds in maps.
having almost all spells in a map, means breaking a chain in random pattern of the game that leads to balance.
daym, i think you guys been listening to my rants too much.. you're starting to repeat them word for word without realizing it
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insatiable
Supreme Hero
Ultimate N00bidity
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posted October 09, 2003 09:49 AM |
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.. those voices in my head doctor and i keep having this dream of blue camels ranting
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Arangar
Famous Hero
Weak ranger - lost viking
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posted October 09, 2003 01:38 PM |
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hah
That insa guy really cracks me up
Arangar
edit: Answer for jinxer ^
According to your reasoning you have time to get mass steal with any town then. And any town that gets death spells - gets order spells, except Chaos, and does chaos really have a problem in this game?
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Arangar
Norwegian viking
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted October 09, 2003 02:37 PM |
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With 5 towns on IP and external guild dwellings, almost every game I have seen a death town and an order town etc. So chances are really high that you could have both. I just think that it is to unbalancing to leave only 1 Mass remove spell type. Then who ever gets order magic has huge advantage while everyone else is screwed.
Jinxer
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valkyrica
Supreme Hero
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posted October 09, 2003 07:48 PM |
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Jinxer, you really don't get it do you dear ?
Arangar was saying that, and i'm gonna write this in CAPS and leave more spaces between the words so maybe you will understand now ), YOU CAN GET EXPERT DEATH ON ALL 5 , 6 HEROES WHEN THE PORTALS OPEN, HENCE YOU WILL HAVE MASS CANCELLATION ON ALL OF THEM, BUT I DOUBT YOU WILL HAVE STEAL ENCHANTMENTS ON ALL OF THEM. YOU REALLY NEED ONLY 6 LEVELS FOR EXPERT DEATH, AND HAVING MASS CANCELLATION ON ALL, NOT GOOD FOR OPPONENT. AND, I WANT TO FURTHER ENLIGHTEN YOU THAT THERE IS ANOTHER MASS AVAILABLE (DISPEL), EASILY ACQUIREABLE BEING ONLY LEVEL 3.
nope, no bashing, just explaining so YOU can understand
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted October 09, 2003 08:24 PM |
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Valky???? You are trying to tell me that you can have 5 Level 28 heroes and not get GM order ?
If I started a game on IP and I bought 5 order heroes I could easily have 5 Heroes with GM order by week 3-4?
You can type it in caps if you want still dont add up.
Jinxer
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zud
Promising
Famous Hero
box worshipper
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posted October 09, 2003 09:05 PM |
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Big Difference Still
U will just have 1 hero with gm order magic for steal all, and the opponent can kill the 1 hero. If several have expert death with mass cancel it is much harder to kill all heroes that can have mass cancel. This is the point you are missing
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted October 09, 2003 09:16 PM |
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Edited By: Jinxer on 9 Oct 2003
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SO make more than 1 order hero? Why would you build 3 death heroes? All I am saying is it is just as easy to build 3 order heroes as it is to build 3 death heroes.
And yes I understand that you can get the 3 death heroes to expert week 2 and it will take the 3 order heroes till week 4, but since the gate dont open till week 7, WHAT DOES IT MATTER?
ALso... @ valky, yes there is mass dispel, but that takes it off of both sides so there fore its balanced. Just sucks for one side to have a mass remove spell and you not have one also.. that is HUGE.
Jinxer
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valkyrica
Supreme Hero
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posted October 09, 2003 09:54 PM |
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you get expert death on them and gm in other magic as well, that's the point you are really missing, it's not evolving on death on 5 heroes, it's just takin it after they reach gm at other magics ... that adds up, and mass dispel just as good as mass cancellation against steall all enchantments, actually better, cause if you use mass cancel first , he gets all your potions and wards ... , this way you get rid of yours as well, nothing to steal anymore
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Blue_Camel
Famous Hero
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posted October 09, 2003 11:26 PM |
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he's saying that it takes a lot less levels for a hero to get exp. death than GM order. if you only get expert death for all your heroes, then their other skillsets will be stronger than if your heroes went to trouble of getting GM order.
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valkyrica
Supreme Hero
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posted October 10, 2003 12:01 AM |
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can somebody get a english to english translator for Jinxer ?
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Arangar
Famous Hero
Weak ranger - lost viking
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posted October 10, 2003 03:04 AM |
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Not talking about DEATH HEROES... any heroes.. my druid, ranger priest mage tactic hero whatever, they can all get expert death easily..
While you will only have 1-2 at max gm order magic heroes. (which can be killed before they do serious damage)
Mass steal enchantment/mass cancel on 1-2 heroes doesn't disable immos or buffs totally - but mass cancel on all enemy heroes makes your immos/buffs useless.
P.S: Read the above with translator several times before responding jinx
Arangar
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Arangar
Norwegian viking
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
*****
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posted October 10, 2003 04:23 AM |
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There no point. You guys are all right. Simpler this way....
What ever makes you guys happy.
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Blue_Camel
Famous Hero
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posted October 10, 2003 05:34 AM |
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still not understand?
maybe i need to cast exorcism on you
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