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Doomforge
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posted June 13, 2008 05:39 PM |
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No way. He's my long time friend. He totally despised gay ppl and was totally crazy for some girls. You can trust me on that matter. I know there are ppl who supress their homosexuality, but I can say for certain he wasn't one of them.
I think a mixture of loneliness, rejection and constant failure can really turn your character upside down. Seems it can happen with sexuality, too.
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Moonlith
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posted June 18, 2008 10:07 PM |
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My own theory based on my own believes would be that this friend of yours must have been bisexual - since you claim he was clearly attracted to females - and the fact he also felt attracted to males made him fear to death he might be gay; resulting in a typical case of homophobia to hide the fact one is gay.
And at the moment he is much more comfortable with the fact he likes men.
That's just my theory though, you should ask him about it.
(P.S.: Tell him to watch Gravitation  Actually, I heavily suspect that's the gay romance anime he had been watching...)
I'm open to theories, but personally, I really don't think you can change what your body chooses to get aroused by. At the most, you DISCOVER new things that arouse you that you weren't aware of before.
I tried, but I can't stop getting a hardon from both women and men, to be blunt And I would love to hear from anyone who actually manages to do so as a result of sheer willpower.
By the way, I also don't think sexuality is related to romance. Straight men can love other men in a same way as they love a women, it's just that it doesn't manifest into sexual interaction - and most men try to keep their distance out of fear of being accused of being a homosexual. Moreover, most men don't require a lot of affection to show they love one another either. In essence though, I feel it is the same as loving a woman for her character, with the obvious exceptions of feeling in love and sexual attraction not being present, and the difference in behavior due to social norms. But again, that's just my theory.
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alcibiades
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posted June 18, 2008 10:16 PM |
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I tried, but I can't stop getting a hardon from both women and men, to be blunt And I would love to hear from anyone who actually manages to do so as a result of sheer willpower.
I agree it's not really possible to change your sexual orientation, but the mind is a powerful tool. I think it is possible to place psycological barriers so that you, through brain washing (or similar means). Thus, you can make a strong psycological connection linking certain actions (that could be homosexual behaviour) to bad things, thus making the target loose his (or her) wish to pursue this behaviour - or at least succesfully go through with it. This can also be done by linking such thoughts with physical displeasure, like elektrical stimulation.
However, the danger of this is the fact that placing barriers will not open new paths, and closing off homosexual behaviour will not make you anymore interested in women than you were before. Thus, I think reports that some homosexuals have been "cured" might be true in the sense that they've lost their ability to go through with homosexual acts. However, I consider it highly unlikely that this has made these individuals any more happy.
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TheDeath
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posted June 18, 2008 10:32 PM |
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I agree it's not really possible to change your sexual orientation, but the mind is a powerful tool. I think it is possible to place psycological barriers so that you, through brain washing (or similar means). Thus, you can make a strong psycological connection linking certain actions (that could be homosexual behaviour) to bad things, thus making the target loose his (or her) wish to pursue this behaviour - or at least succesfully go through with it. This can also be done by linking such thoughts with physical displeasure, like elektrical stimulation.
Just as some dependent people can 'get away' from alcohol or smoking, I think sexual orientation can be addressed in that regard as well. Note that of course there is not a 1 to 1 analogy here -- being drunk makes you violent (being gay obviously does not), so don't take it the wrong way. The mind, however, can be very persuasive.
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JoonasTo
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posted June 18, 2008 10:32 PM |
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I tried, but I can't stop getting a hardon from both women and men, to be blunt And I would love to hear from anyone who actually manages to do so as a result of sheer willpower.
I can stop myself from getting a hardon with women just willpower alone when I want. Don't know how it would work with men for obvious reasons.
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OmegaDestroyer
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posted June 18, 2008 10:36 PM |
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Just think of someone completely unsexy like Hillary Clinton.
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posted June 18, 2008 10:38 PM |
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I tried, but I can't stop getting a hardon from both women and men, to be blunt And I would love to hear from anyone who actually manages to do so as a result of sheer willpower.
I can stop myself from getting a hardon with women just willpower alone when I want. Don't know how it would work with men for obvious reasons.
Yeah, for the rest of your life?
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JoonasTo
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What if Elvin was female?
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posted June 18, 2008 10:40 PM |
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Yeah, for the rest of your life?
Not sure, haven't tried.
Sorry couldn't resist. I just made that comment to prove that it's possible to control yourself in that area.
EDIT: Way to go Mvass.  A really good one. 
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posted June 18, 2008 10:43 PM |
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Just think of someone completely unsexy like Hillary Clinton.
Do you think of her very often?
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Minion
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posted June 18, 2008 10:53 PM |
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]Just as some dependent people can 'get away' from alcohol or smoking, I think sexual orientation can be addressed in that regard as well.
Yes, I'd love to see you change your preference to man. Just please, tell me how easy it would be for you. Meditate on it a while and tell me how much you liked the idea. Waiting for your results.
I have said earlier, that all people are not the same. Even if you could do that, MANY couldn't. And that is not even the point. They really should not have to change, there is no reason.
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TheDeath
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posted June 18, 2008 10:56 PM |
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Yes, I'd love to see you change your preference to man. Just please, tell me how easy it would be for you. Meditate on it a while and tell me how much you liked the idea. Waiting for your results.
I don't know, I've never been dependent on alcohol, but some people were and they survived (i.e they were 'cured' from the dependence). So I don't know how well I'd do in this case (preference to man), maybe ask those guys.
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I have said earlier, that all people are not the same. Even if you could do that, MANY couldn't. And that is not even the point. They really should not have to change, there is no reason.
I didn't say they have a reason to. Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you WANT. And I only explained the former 
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Minion
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posted June 18, 2008 11:11 PM |
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I don't know, I've never been dependent on alcohol, but some people were and they survived (i.e they were 'cured' from the dependence). So I don't know how well I'd do in this case (preference to man), maybe ask those guys.
Ok, I let your alcoholism/homosexuality comparison slide last time, but it seems you use it more frequently. Please make profound connections between the two, and why you find them similar.
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I didn't say they have a reason to. Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you WANT. And I only explained the former
Well, I disagree with your opinion.
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mvassilev
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posted June 18, 2008 11:15 PM |
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Here's a question: why, exactly, does it matter if homosexuality is a choice or not? If it isn't, then they can't do anything about it, so it would be wrong to ban it. If it is, what business is it of the government or other people to do anything about it? If they chose it, and it doesn't impose anything on others, then that's fine.
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TheDeath
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posted June 18, 2008 11:24 PM |
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Ok, I let your alcoholism/homosexuality comparison slide last time, but it seems you use it more frequently. Please make profound connections between the two, and why you find them similar.
Uh? When did I use it? If it was because I think alcohol is not healthy, that doesn't have anything to do with gays.
so I'll probably stop making these analogies before people can't bear them anymore
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Minion
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posted June 18, 2008 11:27 PM |
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Here's a question: why, exactly, does it matter if homosexuality is a choice or not? If it isn't, then they can't do anything about it, so it would be wrong to ban it. If it is, what business is it of the government or other people to do anything about it? If they chose it, and it doesn't impose anything on others, then that's fine.
Well it doesn't really. However it is an interesting question, even though the answer to this question wouldn't change a thing. However... there are few studies published on respectable magazines on the matter too. The relatively small number of attempts that have been adequately documented have been largely unsuccessful.
Note: In addition people seem to think sexual orientation is about what gives you a hard on. Where in reality it is a highly complex set of attractions and feelings.
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Corribus
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posted June 19, 2008 02:31 AM |
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@theDeath
I don't think the alcoholic/homosexual analogy is a good one - well, it is a good one, but not in the way that it is being used.
If you know any "recovered" alcoholics, you'll know that the urge to drink is usually just as strong as it always was. Thus, the alcoholic hasn't conquered the urge - only he has trained himself not to succumb to it.
Of course, a homosexual - just like a heterosexual - can train himself to be celibate, which would be analogous to an alcohol training him/herself to resist the urge to drink. I.e., the conscious mind has control over conscious actions. But the conscious mind doesn't really have control over (chemical) urges... unless you're a Buddhist monk, maybe.
So, overcoming sexual urges IS like overcoming any other type of chemical dependency or urge. But you're not ERASING the urge.
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Doomforge
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posted June 19, 2008 10:00 AM |
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That's just my theory though, you should ask him about it.
Oh, we did speak about a couple times, since he's my good friend. He is absolutely certain he wasn't bi or gay earlier himself, and he says gay men used to disgust him earlier. He is also absolutely sure that he totally lost interest in women. This is kinda interesting, imho. Most people think you can't get around what you have been born with, but it clearly doesn't work in his case, I mean, he said he tried to retain his interest in women, but it gradually faded and the interest in men gradually rose. I think it's not a common case, but a perfect example that our sexuality isn't set in stone.
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(P.S.: Tell him to watch Gravitation Actually, I heavily suspect that's the gay romance anime he had been watching...)
Dunno, he said that anime made him look at man-man relations in a different way, that it struck him how, eerrr, beautiful they are.
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I'm open to theories, but personally, I really don't think you can change what your body chooses to get aroused by.
Well, it seems you can, how come he totally lost interest in women then? Even if your theory was true, he should have become a bisexual person, not a 100% gay one.
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I tried, but I can't stop getting a hardon from both women and men, to be blunt And I would love to hear from anyone who actually manages to do so as a result of sheer willpower.
He's your man, then
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By the way, I also don't think sexuality is related to romance. Straight men can love other men in a same way as they love a women, it's just that it doesn't manifest into sexual interaction - and most men try to keep their distance out of fear of being accused of being a homosexual.
Well, as a 100% heterosexual man, I don't think it really works that way. Okay, I can love my father, but it's different, totally different from loving a woman. Also, a fully heterosexual man will not try to keep his distance because there is no need for it - he feels no lust nor anything similar towards other men, and it does not matter how much he likes or admires them
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Moreover, most men don't require a lot of affection to show they love one another either. In essence though, I feel it is the same as loving a woman for her character, with the obvious exceptions of feeling in love and sexual attraction not being present, and the difference in behavior due to social norms. But again, that's just my theory.
I think your theory is good, but only for bisexual man who supress their homosexual part. I never experienced any form of "love" towards men the way I felt it towards women. I also can't think of one reason why I should _love_ other men. I mean, I can like them, they can be my friends, I can admire them, et cetera, but _love_ them? Nope, not the feeling I can actually feel towards men.
But I'm heterosexual, so I guess it's kinda normal for guys like me.
But hell, it's culture dependant, I guess. Arab friends kiss when they meet, disregarding their orientation, and that's as common as a handshake. I don't kiss my male friends because we both feel there is absolutely no need to
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TheDeath
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posted June 19, 2008 10:06 AM |
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I don't think the alcoholic/homosexual analogy is a good one - well, it is a good one, but not in the way that it is being used.
I agree 100%, it's why I said it's not a 1 to 1 analogy in the 'mental' category, but in the chemical one it is
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alcibiades
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posted June 19, 2008 10:26 AM |
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@theDeath
I don't think the alcoholic/homosexual analogy is a good one - well, it is a good one, but not in the way that it is being used.
If you know any "recovered" alcoholics, you'll know that the urge to drink is usually just as strong as it always was. Thus, the alcoholic hasn't conquered the urge - only he has trained himself not to succumb to it.
Of course, a homosexual - just like a heterosexual - can train himself to be celibate, which would be analogous to an alcohol training him/herself to resist the urge to drink. I.e., the conscious mind has control over conscious actions. But the conscious mind doesn't really have control over (chemical) urges... unless you're a Buddhist monk, maybe.
So, overcoming sexual urges IS like overcoming any other type of chemical dependency or urge. But you're not ERASING the urge.
Very well put!
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posted February 16, 2009 09:37 PM |
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The people who are saying bi/homosexual people are wrong because of religious reasons need to stop judging people because we are not God!
According to the bible that you are preaching from, God created all of us, so are you saying He made a mistake when he created them?
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