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soccerfeva
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posted November 06, 2003 04:03 PM |
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Do you believe in the Matrix?
In the movie the Matrix,it says bla bla bla.
Well,it says the Matrix is designed to fool your senses.It is an imaginary world..blablabla or something like that.
So do you believe it is real? To be honest if you understood the story you might suspect it to be real..
But if you're religious you don't.
The Matrix fools us,our senses,our everything. They take away our energies and it is real.
Well,I just fooled you.
I am the Matrix.
Just tell me what do you think of the Matrix. Is it real?
To be completely honest i find the entire matrix trilogy crap. The show itself has no meaning and makes no sense.
The only thing that the trilogy can claim proudly is that they make fighting unrealistic and out of this world,and they teach us that men can fly.
The trilogy is crap because..
There are too many questions than answers..
For example..
(warning procced at own risk: Possible spoilers ahead..)
In the matrix revolutions..
1 why was agent smith destroyed after Neo destroyed only the clone?
2 If the proccedure of 16 women and 7 men were not kept in zion,the system of the matrix would crash but why in the end it didn't?
3 what has destroying smith got to do with machines?
4 Did Neo die in the end? Why? or why not?
I believe he did? But why?
5 How did Neo destroy the clone? Could power possibly be transfered from the machine city to the matrix?
6 The man protecting the oracle at the end of the movie came back with the little girl. I remember they were being cornered by agent smith. Whatever happened to them?
After watching the trilogy of the matrix, I can safely confirm that it is NOT real because it is too unrealistic to be real. It makes no sense,too many questions left unanswered. But perhapes that's how the movies were made in mind-with no answers.
I doubt even the 2 directors would have difficult in explaning them. I believe I mean.
But the movie did teach us a few things about purpose and choice etc..
Many would possibly consider the matrix triology to be a flop.
I reckon it is in between..
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UndeadLord
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posted November 06, 2003 06:52 PM |
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I'd say that I did expect more from the reloaded. It was too confusing. Maybe Revolution is better. I can say on monday because I am going to watch Revolution at sunday.
AND I dont believe matrix dont take it too serious. (If it would be true I think that agents would've stopped that movie). So  Reload Matrix (first part)  and revolution ???.
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BoogieMan
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posted November 06, 2003 08:05 PM |
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1 0 0 Oooh, ooh, look Zeek, I have created the Matrix! 
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Celfious
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posted November 06, 2003 09:14 PM |
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The more I think about it, the more reasons I develop that explain why AI is not possible. At the most, someone can make a virus with self writing ability. I dont belive a computer will ever think. It can be designed to find awnsers but the awnser wouldn't mean anything to the PC.
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silx87
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posted November 06, 2003 09:29 PM |
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I'd say that I did expect more from the reloaded. It was too confusing. Maybe Revolution is better. I can say on monday because I am going to watch Revolution at sunday.
AND I dont believe matrix dont take it too serious. (If it would be true I think that agents would've stopped that movie). So Reload Matrix (first part) and revolution ???.
whacha talkin bout?
the key maker guy was hilarious
it was funny as hell!
reloaded was GREAT!
revolutions gotta have to be just as good,preferrably even better!
as for the matriks,nah,I dun believe in the matrix or the illuminati or any of the kind...
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Celfious
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posted November 07, 2003 03:06 AM |
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The form of AI itself, must be programmed and created, no matter how far away you draw the line, no matter what you program it to, and not to do it will remain a program.
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IYY
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posted November 07, 2003 03:46 AM |
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The form of AI itself, must be programmed and created, no matter how far away you draw the line, no matter what you program it to, and not to do it will remain a program.
This is clearly said by somebody who does not understand the nature of AI. It is quite clear that it is possible to create an AI that will be able to develop itself and learn. It may, of course, be difficult as hell and we may never reach this stage for thousands of years, but it is possible. Look at it this way - humans are capable of writing programs and discovering new things, and they are nothing more than a biological computer. Sure, the concept of a soul is debatable (I believe there is one) but the soul has nothing to do with learning and intelligence as far as I understand, so the part that thinks using logic is nothing more than a computer.
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Celfious
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posted November 07, 2003 04:04 AM |
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They say all things are possible and I disagree with them. I think science has alot of natrual boundaries (for instance, I doubt they will find a way to control atoms to the point, that humans can float into the sun and past pluto)
AlthoughAI seems possible to me. I still see it as bearing the likeness of a virus. If you tell it.. "The cheese is old and moldy" can it deciepher the meaning of each word, and truly understand the inference from the sentance? I doubt it cares what cheese or mold is anyways.
Will it beable to question humans intent even if we dont tell it we exist? Will it question how it was made? If we dont tell it humans exists, it may well assume that the buttons we press are not buttons, but they are machine input code.
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IRh
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posted November 07, 2003 11:48 AM |
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NWC Ignorance is bliss
Men...
What energy? How can you get energy from a human body? That fanatic Morpheus said smth about bio energy bla-bla... You do believe in such toss?
Now I'll tell the truth.
I really don't know what caused the blackout - the war, ecological disaster or smth else. That doesn't matter. But the robots still had to care about ppl. And how could they provide billions of humans with normal life on the earth with no sun, flooded with poisonous or radioactive substances? The answer was one - The Matrix. "Billions of humans live the full life..." Isn't this the goal of obedient machines, which purpose is to serve humanity? Now, while thermonuclear reactors provide enough energy for synthesis of biological substance to feed people, The Matrix provides them all the rest. Nice picture!
But then Morpheus & K appear... to disturb ppl's life, to bring them to the real world. By machines' logic for the fight with such offenders and enemies of humanity all ways are good. What is the death of several man comparing with such danger for all mankind?
And the first version of matrix, the paradise... Well, were people really happy in that machine-created heaven? What a frustration for robots! Well, decided they, the emulation of XX century is stil better. Could they imagine something better?
I hope I opened your eyes. Unless you are of that people who relly believe Morpheus is a positive hero...
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SirDunco
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posted November 07, 2003 07:44 PM |
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You know what is say? Hell ******* no! I certainly don't belive. Yet there is the chance that it may become real. But certainly, by beliving that there is a matrix you actualy support the system itslef, so no mater what you do, you always support it.
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Odvin
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posted November 08, 2003 07:12 PM |
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I do not believe in Matrix. It's an interesting idea but nothing more.
As for the AI: sure, it's possible. A man can develop the program further and further until it becomes a self-content system. From that point on, the bad things begin.
Look around: even now the machines are becoming more and more 'clever' (though the amount of 'cleverness' needed for machines to form a human face like the one who was talking to Neo in Revolutions is really amazing). Perhaps some day the machines like those in the Matrix will be possible, but I hope this won't happen during my life, huh...
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MightyMage
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posted November 08, 2003 11:13 PM |
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Those who have had Kentucky Fried Chicken will understand me better. In The Matrix: Reloaded (and Revolutions) I am convinced that the Architect looks an aful lot like Colonel Sanders.
(couldn't dind a picture of the architect)
Well, if you see the Architect from the Matrix movies you will notcice the coincidence. I'm sure there's a better picture of the colonel out there but I'm too lazy to look.
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soccerfeva
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posted November 09, 2003 05:00 AM |
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To be completely honest i find the entire matrix trilogy crap. The show itself has no meaning and makes no sense.
The only thing that the trilogy can claim proudly is that they make fighting unrealistic and out of this world,and they teach us that men can fly.
The trilogy is crap because..
There are too many questions than answers..
For example..
(warning procced at own risk: Possible spoilers ahead..)
In the matrix revolutions..
1 why was agent smith destroyed after Neo destroyed only the clone?
2 If the proccedure of 16 women and 7 men were not kept in zion,the system of the matrix would crash but why in the end it didn't?
3 what has destroying smith got to do with machines?
4 Did Neo die in the end? Why? or why not?
I believe he did? But why?
5 How did Neo destroy the clone? Could power possibly be transfered from the machine city to the matrix?
6 The man protecting the oracle at the end of the movie came back with the little girl. I remember they were being cornered by agent smith. Whatever happened to them?
After watching the trilogy of the matrix, I can safely confirm that it is NOT real because it is too unrealistic to be real. It makes no sense,too many questions left unanswered. But perhapes that's how the movies were made in mind-with no answers.
I doubt even the 2 directors would have difficult in explaning them. I believe I mean.
But the movie did teach us a few things about purpose and choice etc..
Many would possibly consider the matrix triology to be a flop.
I reckon it is in between..
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Celfious
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posted November 09, 2003 08:34 AM |
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Note # 1: I wish they could redo the idea.. They can and I hope they do! Different writer but in the eyes of public a change is nessesary, to see the same story lines.
In 300bc, the same story lines were used with variations. And were comming into an age where thats what we need to do. (redo ideas)
I belive, Neo was a born part of the system. I belive Neo is AI. Without the awnser. But I havnt seen the 3rd movie. And the only way this is possible, is if neos whole life, before his eyes, was the matrix. Even trinity
1 why was agent smith destroyed after Neo destroyed only the clone? There is no spoon
6 The man protecting the oracle at the end of the movie came back with the little girl. I remember they were being cornered by agent smith. Whatever happened to them?
I cant wait to see the movie. That question was probably intended.
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Planeswalker
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posted November 11, 2003 12:05 PM |
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4 Did Neo die in the end? Why? or why not?
I believe he did? But why?
Yes, he died. And so did Trinity. A shame.
I hope some very smart Matrix fan can answer some of your questions, cause I wonder myself.
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DoddTheSlayer
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posted November 16, 2003 12:34 AM |
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very surprised to see people discussing whether or not the matrix is real. Perhaps the real question to ask is whether or not its a good idea to take halucinigenic drugs before considering major issues about life.
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RMS
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posted November 17, 2003 04:05 AM |
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Well that one is easy. Of course it's a good idea.
Next!
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Boot
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posted September 16, 2004 02:54 AM |
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Put it this way, I think that The Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter are more real than those boring movies. Those movies have no point, I didn't understand a word at all!
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stargazer
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posted September 17, 2004 01:40 AM |
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Ive been looking for you Mr.Anderson...
What???
wrong Matrix!
Sorry about that you heard nothing you saw nothing.
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TitaniumAlloy
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posted September 18, 2004 04:48 AM |
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there is no spoon...
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1 why was agent smith destroyed after Neo destroyed only the clone?
I believe it is because Neo broke the rules of the matrix. He let Agent Smith defeat him, the One, in a way not possible by the laws of the matrix, and thus destroying the "Ghost" which the Oracle talked about.
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2 If the proccedure of 16 women and 7 men were not kept in zion,the system of the matrix would crash but why in the end it didn't?
I think i know what you are talking about. The system is run by the agents, and in turn, agent smith. Agent smith is the soul of the matrix, and keeps it in order. If agent smith was still alive, (which is the only 'possible' way) the system would have crashed. But since Neo did the 'impossible' he saved the matrix and the machines.
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3 what has destroying smith got to do with machines?
Agent smith is trying to take over everything. Everything means every human (easy) and every machine (hard). He is searching for total dominance, and if he destroys the humans first he has turned everyone into clones, and then he can overwhelm the machines. Thats where neo comes in, to stop them.
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4 Did Neo die in the end? Why? or why not?
I believe he did? But why?
I died to save the machines, and the humans, so they can come to a mutual agreement of peace. But then again, this movie doesnt make much sense, and he can do anything so he might not have died.
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5 How did Neo destroy the clone? Could power possibly be transfered from the machine city to the matrix?
neo killed the clone, as i said before, by making him break the rules of the matrix, and going inside the software instead of it going inside him. about power being transferred from the machine city to the matrix, sure. thats what it does. they need to keep the humans in the matrix alive in order to keep themselves alive.
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6 The man protecting the oracle at the end of the movie came back with the little girl. I remember they were being cornered by agent smith. Whatever happened to them?
they were turned into agents, and then turned back in the end as everyone was when neo destroyed agent smith.
of course there is no right answer to most of these questions. i have seen The Matrix like 3 times, Matrix Reloaded twice and Revolutions twice.
there is no spoon
ps. i dont believe in the matrix
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