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balcough_dra...
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posted December 31, 2003 01:49 AM |
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HC question
i would like to what HC would do if 2 players start a game and in the middle of then game one player finds a huge unfair disadvantage on their side and other player doesn't want to restart when its fixed or play a different map?
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LichKing
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posted December 31, 2003 02:25 AM |
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gotta be more specific, Balcough
Is the disadvantage you're talking about the result of map editing or cheating?
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balcough_dra...
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posted December 31, 2003 03:07 AM |
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no i mean if the map maker made a error on it
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Blue_Camel
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posted December 31, 2003 08:25 AM |
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well..
i already have 2 such losses on my record 
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Aculias
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posted December 31, 2003 08:44 AM |
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Quote:
i would like to what HC would do if 2 players start a game and in the middle of then game one player finds a huge unfair disadvantage on their side and other player doesn't want to restart when its fixed or play a different map?
Lich is right you need to be more specific but theres ways to compromise if you can trust who you play.
If it is an artifact you can play without using it.
restarting be best bet only dishonorable players would report a win over an honest mistake.
Please be more specific on the details so we can give you a better reply.
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dEth8
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posted December 31, 2003 01:09 PM |
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hard to say
That's a pretty tough question to answer without an email and specifics about it.
Some possibilities might be:
One player ask the other to let the game go and cancel it. Maybe both agree to let the game go after talking it over.
The player who started the game at a disadvantage learns not to play whatever map this is if they don't like the struggle to try to win from a disadvantaged position and don't mind taking the point loss if they lose.
Possibly allow one player to take a win and the other no point loss on record. Very slim chance of this as outcome.
Possibly call the game a draw..... slim chance here too.
It's tough to really say without specifics, but we generally expect people to accept their fate on whatever game they undertake. For those highly concerned about taking losses we expect them to review a map before playing on it.
There have been maps that have been advantageous to certain strategies in the past. I remember killing a several people on day 4-5 on a certain map......never got any points for it though cause it was generally a lesson for them, but still it was a legitimate game and the advantages were purely good tactics and working out a plan on a map. People planning out strategies is always expected. If someone is making a career out of these kind of kills then we might ask them to quit doing it, but still the education for the loss is often very valuable to whoever is getting killed as well.
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Jinxer
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posted December 31, 2003 04:54 PM |
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Deth8 and Lich,
I have some insite into this situtaion... basically the mapmaker did a version update and these 2 players were playing the first run of the new verison. 17 days into the game one of the players notices that 1 side can build level 4's in town and other side cannot build level 4's. YIKES that is pretty major bug. Obviously the one player that cannot build level 4's now has no chance in game....so he immediately notifies the other player of the major bug and requests a restart after fixes were made, and he apologizes! The other player refuses claiming to be doing well in game, and wants the win regardless of how bugged or wrong the map is.
This should be enough information to post an opinion on situation.
Jinxer
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Blue_Camel
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posted December 31, 2003 05:27 PM |
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in one of my losses, on one of my own maps, we were playing along and i was planning my whole gameplan on being able to use a portal, then when i got my main army to the portal, it gave me a message saying there was nowhere to land on other side of the portal. I went in the editor and realized that all the possible landing squares on the other side of the portal were filled by resources. so my main army had to do ~4 days of backtracking just to get where they were, and meanwhile my opponent had captured a gold mine and a bunch of other stuff.. if i had been able to go through the portal, i wouldve captured 1 town almost immediately and a little later a 2nd town. obviously i lost. we reported the loss. even though i found that really cheesy, it's probably best that you report the loss anyway. It's really the only way to do it.. I dont see how you can justify counting the game as a draw.
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Jinxer
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posted December 31, 2003 05:36 PM |
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lol Camel, losing 4 days in a game is no where near as divistating as not being able to build level 4 creatures lol.
I lose way more than 4 days in every game and still manage to win some of them games. But kinda hard to win with No level 4's lol
Kinda like running a 3 legged race with 1 leg lol
Jinxer
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Blue_Camel
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posted December 31, 2003 05:50 PM |
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good reading chieftain
not only did i lose 4 days, but i lost 2 towns that i wouldve had, plus treasures, exp, and other goodies.
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Jinxer
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posted December 31, 2003 06:56 PM |
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Ohh I am sorry Camel, I musta missed the paragraph that explained how when you couldnt get thru the gate a script blew the towns up so you could never get them.. That would be bad
Getting towns 1 week later doesnt = automatic loss is my point.
Chieftan Jinxer
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balcough_dra...
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posted December 31, 2003 08:27 PM |
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yes sometimes i just take my time to get them anyway
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Aculias
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posted January 01, 2004 02:57 AM |
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@ weeks & 3 days not that long in the game butreporting a loss should be out of the question.
As it seems the player dont want a draw or a reload so that means you have 2 choices.
You do what the other player wants to do or you take it into the HC hands for a fair decision.
It was an honest mistake I am sure Deth would let the game become a draw.
Depending on your own decision Jas.
If you want to report a win to this player because he does not want to reload or a draw then thats up to you.
If you think it's dishonorable then take it to the HC.
If I was in your situation I would tell him I wont use a 4th lv build & if he dont trust me then I will call it a draw.
If he wants me to report a loss,then I will have to take it to the HC.Let the HC make a fair decision.
No honor in reporting a loss over an honest mistake or a game that was never finished.
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Blue_Camel
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posted January 01, 2004 06:05 AM |
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well jinxer, if accomplishing nothing for first 2 weeks of game is ok with you then ok i'll let you press "end turn" immediately for first 2 weeks on our next game, and we'll see how you do 
i may have lost anyway, but that portal was definitely reason i lost.
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balcough_dra...
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posted January 01, 2004 06:19 AM |
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camel this is not about you
and aculuis i am not the one that has the problem here so where did you get that info from?
yes i think the 2 players should just call it a draw
its very unhonorable for the player to want you to report loss for a map flaw
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Aculias
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posted January 01, 2004 09:20 AM |
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My bad but it goes for anyone.
The maps flawed then it dont matter who is winning or dont want to restart.
If they cant come up with a compromise then they either have to abandoned the game,restart with the correct even map or let HC deal with it which I am sure they agree with me nough said on this issue.
Now if one of the players created that map then thats a diferent story & could cause for HC to take it's measures.
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balcough_dra...
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posted January 02, 2004 03:31 AM |
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that doesn't matter
if the map is flawed on one side
you call draw and start over
or be a unhonorable and say "i want points you report loss"
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Sir_Stiven
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posted January 02, 2004 03:54 AM |
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well jinxer, if accomplishing nothing for first 2 weeks of game is ok with you then ok i'll let you press "end turn" immediately for first 2 weeks on our next game, and we'll see how you do
i may have lost anyway, but that portal was definitely reason i lost.
bah that was a mean joke, i mean its not whinx fault has hasnt learned more than to just wait and save up resources for two weeks
But im sure heŽll be dangerous if you wait to week 3-4, and if you not he will come here again and whine about getting rushed
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Jinxer
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posted January 02, 2004 05:37 AM |
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Once again, H3 guys coming here posting only flames and bashes. H3 must be dying if you guys dont have anything better to do, then flame in the H4 message board.
Jinxer
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balcough_dra...
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posted January 02, 2004 05:48 AM |
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H3 IS DEAD ALREADY LOL
look at h3 page
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