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Vlaad
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posted November 14, 2004 11:10 PM |
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I thought they were Hell Barons now...?
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USAtheist
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posted November 14, 2004 11:21 PM |
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Muttely:
I believe you are refering to Roman "citystates" but those city states did not have seperate "kings". A king is only a fixture in a monarchy, not a republic. A "king" by definition is the leader of an entire KINGDOM, not a small band of people or even a state within a kingdom.
Secondly, the minotaur of Greek myth was not "born" as a member of a species or race would be. IIRC he was some cursed spawn of the gods adn there were no other minotaurs but that is beside the point because in fantasy literature and gaming it has long been established that mino's are an entire species(like orcs or elves).
As for the "Anti-Christ" snafu(to the guy who posted last, just before this reply), you miss the point. Refering to these creatures as "Anti-Christs" was not some attempt to pluralize a mythological standard as was done with the minotaur. It was an error, probably made by very young people(not meant as an insult or condescending remark). The Anti-Christ is a specific individual character of a particular Abrahamic faith. He gets his very name from the fact that he alone opposes a man called "The Christ" in the mythological final battle between good and evil. Having ANY "Anti-Christ" in a Heroes game makes no more sense than having an "Anti-Geroge Bush"(when no G.W. Bush exists in Erathia) adn having stacks of them is downright ludicrous! There are a thousand more suitable demonic names that would work here so it is not like this is a necessary evil or somesuch.
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USAtheist
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posted November 14, 2004 11:23 PM |
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Sorry, the last part of my reply above was directed to Malekith, Not Vlad'.
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Dingo
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posted November 15, 2004 12:46 AM |
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USAtheist, I think you need to Chill Out.
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Muttley
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the eternal survivor
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posted November 15, 2004 10:15 AM |
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Muttely:
I believe you are refering to Roman "citystates" but those city states did not have seperate "kings". A king is only a fixture in a monarchy, not a republic. A "king" by definition is the leader of an entire KINGDOM, not a small band of people or even a state within a kingdom.
Secondly, the minotaur of Greek myth was not "born" as a member of a species or race would be. IIRC he was some cursed spawn of the gods adn there were no other minotaurs but that is beside the point because in fantasy literature and gaming it has long been established that mino's are an entire species(like orcs or elves).
The citystates, that I mentioned are Athen, Sparta, etc. I know, they weren't monarchies, but they would have been. But here is another example: About the year 1780 Germany was separated in many little kingdom, and each of them had its own king.
Minotaur was born because of a queen, who was so horny about(for?) a bull, that she 'slept' with it, and born a monster child, that had human body, but bull head. That's why I told, that it is imaginable for other minotaurs to be born. The myth doesn't talk about other minotaurs, but doesn't also preclude their exist.
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genjuro
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posted December 03, 2004 01:06 AM |
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50 Anti-christ fighting 70 black dragons
well what can i say
it "possible" WILL be an Anti-christ as its said... but how can i be sure? for my stand of view there can be in future 100 or none...
black dragons... well are stories about dragons... but it isnt a proof that they really existed...
so the conclusion ....anti-christ is a fantastic creature from a fantastic book transmutated(as the ninja turtles ) in a fantastic game... with other fantastic creatures....
and if antichrist and minotaur and monks that fire with balls of energy(like in japanese cartoons) are posible, why not 10k of minotaur king?
u can say that the king was cloned ... or its one of Hypnos playing ground
if i learn to Mod units.... ill make myself a unit named Absolute Imperial Ruler, and ill make a screnshot....for u guys to see that it can be 90 thousand Absolute Imperial Ruler 
this like any other game has no touch with reality(mine for sure ).. even that, like all makings of men, it is inspired from it...
PS: neither reality has no touch with reality
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USAtheist
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posted December 03, 2004 03:40 PM |
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You misunderstand...
Genjuro:
You don't understand. No one here is calling for "realism" in a fantasy game(as in not having fantastic elements. That would make no sense!). My objections are as follows:
Anti-Christ as 8th level creature upgrade: THis is wrong because A)There are better names that are available. "Anti-Christ" is poorly thought out. Having "Anti-Christ" for the Arch-Devil upgrade is like having "Jesus Christ" for the Arch-Angel upgrade. Stacks of 20 or 100 "Anti-Christs" is just like having stacks of 100 "jesus Christs". I makes no sense and sounds stupid. B) It destroys the immersion factor of teh fantasy world. The world of erathia is NOT supposed to be OUR planet Earth at some other point in time or even a fantasy version of Earth. It is supposed to be a whole other world! HAving the "Anti-Christ" is as senseless as having "Paul Bunyan" as a Rampart creature or Davy Crockett as a Rampart hero.
"Kings" as upgraded creatures: This is stupid because A King is a singular ruler in a monarchy. One who rules over an entire kingdom himself. The word "king" NEVER refers to a "greater warrior" or somesuch adn by definition there cannot be stacks of hundreds of them. TO put it in perspective, imagine if there were a HEroes type game set in mdern America and one of the units was a "Commando" and the upgraded version were called "Commando Presidents". That would be nonsense.
This has nothing at all to do with whether you can imagine black dragons or not in a fantasy game. No one is objecting to fantasy elements existing. I have no problem with stacks of black dragons or Titans.
Your rationalization of "cloning" and such is just that...a desperate rationalization. This is a game where the designers could not even include sci-fi elements in the original expansion because of the silly kiddies at the Astral Wizard site(and THOSE sci-fi elements actually worked and sounded enticing!) so ad hoc explanations of "Maybe they cloned their kings" is beyond corny.
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genjuro
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posted December 03, 2004 04:24 PM |
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well i thought from the first post on this topic i read that ure right....and yes u are...i had to give my best shot...this way ure point is stronger as it comes more clear
what u say in fact: is a fantasy game, but has to be logic
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"HAving the "Anti-Christ" is as senseless as having "Paul Bunyan" as a Rampart creature or Davy Crockett as a Rampart hero."
well the antichrist is not earthish.... is a creature of mithology....exactly like minotaur...
with the kings and presindent ure right...it just sounds stupid as it sound with anti-christs....but not because minotaur is a fanasy creature and anticrist not(both are)....but because is only one mentioned(and thats his name)....so it has to be grounded
Antichrist is a "person" name not a creature name...like say... frog
supose one bear has the name Richard... its insane to make a game where u can raise 10 Richards
PS: sorry for my fluent dyslexic
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USAtheist
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posted December 03, 2004 09:52 PM |
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Right...
I realize that both Anti-Christ and Minotaurs are from Earth mythologies but the difference is that around one BILLION people on Earth actually believe this Anti-Christ exists or will exist and they threaten ME and everyone else with this nonsense everyday, whereas no one actually believes in minotaurs. Therefore, even though you and I may well recognise that anti-christs and minotaurs are made up things, the Anti-Christ still brings a little too much of our "real Earth" into Erathia.
I can easily imagine a fantasy world evolving with creatures that, translated into a language Earthlings can understand, would be called "minotaurs" but I cannot do so with teh "Anti-Christ", especially since no "Christ" exists(and certainly not stacks of "Christs").
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Consis
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posted December 03, 2004 10:47 PM |
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Edited By: Consis on 4 Dec 2004
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Flog The Dead Horse of Generalization
This entire thread is a laughable debate over vague pluralism. That, at least to me, is a complete waste of time.
...nondescript
...vague
...inexplicit
...imprecise
...unintelligible tangent
I suggest some of the posters(edit: actually, all my criticism is directed toward UsAtheist) familiarize themselves with these adjectives before continuing the mind-numbing flog that is this thread.
Otherwise....always a treat to read about the origins of the 'minotaur myth'. Thankyou Muttley
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USAtheist
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posted December 04, 2004 06:30 PM |
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This entire thread is a laughable debate over vague pluralism. That, at least to me, is a complete waste of time.
What does "vague pluralism" mean? I can understand feeling that a particular thread is a waste of time but I cannot understand RESPONDING in such a thread to tell people you feel it is not worth responding to(???).
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...nondescript
How is it "nondescript"? Do you even understand what that word means?
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...vague
Isn't this redundant considering you have already charged the thread with being nondescript?
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...inexplicit
Okay, we get it. You own a thesaurus.
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...imprecise
Holy crap! "Vague" AND "imprecise"?!? WOW! Gene Wolfe has nothing on you in the vocabulary department!
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...unintelligible tangent
I think this a case of the unintelligent finding something unintelligible.
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I suggest some of the posters familiarize themselves with these adjectives before continuing the mind-numbing flog that is this thread.
And I suggest you do the same. When posing as an intellectual by puilling words haphazzardly from the thesaurus, you always run the risk that someone who knows better will expose you for the charlatan you are.
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"If we believe absurdities, we shall commit atrocities." - Voltaire
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greek_god_su...
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posted December 04, 2004 06:36 PM |
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"Kings" as upgraded creatures: This is stupid because A King is a singular ruler in a monarchy. One who rules over an entire kingdom himself. The word "king" NEVER refers to a "greater warrior" or somesuch adn by definition there cannot be stacks of hundreds of them.
This is so true.
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and the upgraded version were called "Commando Presidents".
Lol, this one is funny...
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Muttley
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the eternal survivor
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posted December 07, 2004 10:13 AM |
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Otherwise....always a treat to read about the origins of the 'minotaur myth'. Thankyou Muttley
Thanks, Consis. You seem the only one who read my posts in this thread. USAtheist seemed to be ready for some discussion, but neither he didn't say anything for my idea to accept the existing of more Minotaur Kings, nor do the others.
Otherwise, the minotaur myth I mentioned isn't complete, I only wrote about the facts I needed for my post. Maybe I will wrote the complete version, if I have enough time. (Some exams will follow for me in the next two months.)
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Danielos
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posted November 14, 2005 03:54 PM |
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I think "Anti Christ" would be a suitable Inferno hero! And "Jesus Christ" could be a powerful cleric! That would make sense!
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TrangOul
Known Hero
Lord of Darkness
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posted November 14, 2005 04:55 PM |
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No. Don't mix religion with Might and Magic world!
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Danielos
Hired Hero
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posted November 14, 2005 06:08 PM |
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Trangoul: No need to get angry, just a suggestion!
But "Castle" and "Inferno" seems like they´re based on Christian mythology anyway, and we DO have a unit called "Antichrist", so I think we have a mixture already...
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Consis
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posted November 14, 2005 06:46 PM |
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Good Observation Danielos . . .
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"Castle" and "Inferno" seem like they´re based on Christian mythology.
I believe the game has taken characteristics from different historical time periods and meshed them together. I believe they've done what any European medieval genre fan would do; and that is to take all the historically yummy-tasting details and throw them into a large pot. Then they stir them all together, but sift out what they think is superfluous. For example, you can see they have crusaders, Dante-style Angelic representations of heaven and hell, and fully armored calvary with lances. All three exist in a different time period. And in fact, cannons were being used by the time Full Plate armor was worn by Milanese knights. But in the game graphic, you can clearly see the crusader unit wearing full plate armor. They didn't have the technology to make full plate when the crusades took place. And the entire Dante's Inferno genre resulted from the publish of its text which was much later than all of them. Anyone with half a brain could sit in their garage and do the same. It was all a matter of what they thought people would be interested in reading . . . as fiction goes. It isn't at all historically accurate but very very entertaining as you can see.
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Celfious
Promising
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From earth
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posted November 14, 2005 07:27 PM |
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The oppression against all humanity, christianity, or the truth in which God choose to be reality. Perhaps his son is amongst those angels in heaven awaiting our salvations. Perhaps he doesnt want to be laughed at and truly is deserving of praise.
In any case, I hope it has nothing to do with video games period. Not just HOMM or WOG.
I hope games and runescape is in heaven www.rune scape.com
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TitaniumAlloy
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posted November 25, 2005 02:27 PM |
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I think we need a Seraphim.
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Demonpheonix
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posted August 16, 2006 02:52 AM |
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UsAthiest, this is a discussion comminuty, not your "dissing grounds" to rant at what you dont like. besides, 'king', 'chieften' refers to elite forces, or possibly just a honoros title. And who knos, mabe mino kings are looked on as kings by minos. 
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