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viking
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posted June 01, 2004 01:32 AM |
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i noticed
its okay
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Zealot
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The heroes 2 zealot
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posted June 02, 2004 11:51 AM |
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My favourite town is knight on most maps. I usually upgrade my starting town so I have swordsmen and pikemen, upgraded or not, and then I march to the nearest Warlock or Wizard town. Because the knight town doesn't require much resources but wood and ore, you're able to upgrade it quickly. I usually start with getting my starting heroe strong, and since he's a knight he'll have a lot of defence and attack skill, a dragon or titan with ~6 + in attack and defence just rule.
The only thing that makes knight units stand a chance in battle is that their heroes get a lot of attack and defence. The magical heroes such as warlocks and wizards need a creature that doesn't requre attack and defence to be good. But combining these are teh win.
That's why knight rule. Sorry to post a poor strategy 
If there is no warlock town near a knight castle I rather play with warlocks. The I try to get necromancy, so I'll have a skeleton army too.
Lightning bolt takes 25 damage per spell power and cold ray does 20 damage per spell power level. That makes lightning bolt a bit stronger at lower levels. Let's say our heroe has 4 in spell power, that makes lightning bolt take 100 damage and cold ray 80. But if he has 9 in spell power lightning bolt takes 225 damage and cold ray 180. So, lightning bolt rules!
Heroes 2 rocks!
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viking
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posted June 02, 2004 01:28 PM |
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Its not always easy to find necromancy with a warlock it happenes very rare.
And you are right knights are good, especially when your armies are in large numbers (large numbers are easy to get in knights kingdom, because everything costs less, so if you are short in gold you should take a knights castle)
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Daddy
Responsible
Supreme Hero
and why not.
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posted June 02, 2004 07:35 PM |
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Besides Knight's units grow in big numbers
Wich do u think is better? Crusader or Zyclops?
regards
Daddy
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viking
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posted June 02, 2004 10:45 PM |
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I personaly thought that crusaders were stronger, but one time I played I had 44 crusaders and the enemy had 44 cyclops. I attacked him and killed five cyclops than he defended and killed 40 of my crusaders.
It all depends on who you are fighting. If you are knight and you are fighting a necromancer, you do double damage so it pays up being a knight.
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Zealot
Hired Hero
The heroes 2 zealot
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posted June 03, 2004 08:37 AM |
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For me, cyclops and crusaders are the ones that gets struck by a lightning bolt in the beginning of a fight, and with magic it doesn't matter how much defence skill you have. At least crusaders can only take 65(?) hp.
But I think that knight and barabarian have more balanced towns, so every unit fills its part. It doesn't mean that the level 5 units are the best. Personally I think that trolls are the power units of the barbarian town. So having a huge army of swordsmen can be as important as having paladins.
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Daddy
Responsible
Supreme Hero
and why not.
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posted June 03, 2004 03:25 PM |
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Yea, Zealot, that may be right.
H2 towns are quite balanced, indeed, unlike H3 or 4 towns imo.
regards
Daddy (I think I will play H2 today - wanna play Knight  )
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doomnezeu
Supreme Hero
Miaumiaumiau
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posted June 03, 2004 03:34 PM |
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Yea, Zealot, that may be right.
H2 towns are quite balanced, indeed, unlike H3 or 4 towns imo.
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Daddy (I think I will play H2 today - wanna play Knight )
Well, take the knight castle in H2 and compare it with the warlock's. Now tell me how are they ballanced
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viking
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posted June 03, 2004 10:31 PM |
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Yea, Zealot, that may be right.
H2 towns are quite balanced, indeed, unlike H3 or 4 towns imo.
regards
Daddy (I think I will play H2 today - wanna play Knight )
Well, take the knight castle in H2 and compare it with the warlock's. Now tell me how are they ballanced
Yeah, even though warlock is way stronger, it takes him whole lotta time to get the dragon (warlock's only creature, besides knig minotour, which is good). In the meantime you could get a huge aremy of knight's warriors.
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Daddy
Responsible
Supreme Hero
and why not.
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posted June 04, 2004 05:39 PM |
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Well, take the knight castle in H2 and compare it with the warlock's. Now tell me how are they ballanced
Um, yea compared to the others it might be so that they not THAT balanced In this case H3 is better, but the town, in itself is balanced in H2 - I mean between the creatures of 1 town, e.g. compare Rangers with, er Swordmasters. in relation to the growth I think they are balanced.
Did I explain it good enaugh, what I meant?
regards
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csarmi
Supreme Hero
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posted June 04, 2004 07:15 PM |
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I see what you say but that's completely false.
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viking
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posted June 05, 2004 01:07 AM |
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Edited By: viking on 4 Jun 2004
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Um, yea compared to the others it might be so that they not THAT balanced In this case H3 is better, but the town, in itself is balanced in H2 - I mean between the creatures of 1 town, e.g. compare Rangers with, er Swordmasters. in relation to the growth I think they are balanced.
Did I explain it good enaugh, what I meant?
regards
You are partly right. Some creatures are balanced.
But an example like:
Black Dragon vs. Centaur
Black Dragon - you would have a horde a after a while
Centaurs - in the meantime you would have Zounds... of centaurs.
Now I am positive that the black dragons will win, even if you had 51 dragons and 999 centaurs, because dragons start first.
Now if this is applied in a real game you would never have as much as centaurs, because you'll probably try to get stronger creatures.
This also applies for knight
Crusader vs Peasant
Crusader would win no matter what.
For Necromancers is different. There there is more chance for zounds of skeletons to win, than for a horde of bone dragons. You might say that some towns are balanced but not all.
PS. knight is cool if you have a large army of master swordsmen.
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Zealot
Hired Hero
The heroes 2 zealot
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posted June 05, 2004 02:31 PM |
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You can't really compare level 5 and level 1 creatures. Going for higher level creatures will always pay more than hoarding up low level ones, but of course it depends on the map too. But what I meant was that a rather equal number of paladins and cavaleries or pikemen and swordsmen aren't that much different in stregth. In that way I think that the knight castle is quite balanced.
Comparing the knight castle with other castles ís a another story. You must have very different strategies depending on you castle. The only weak thing about the knight creatures is that they have very low hp. In battle with creatures, this isn't much of an obstacle, since knight heroes get a lot of defence and attack skill. But when you face a heroe with strong magic skills they can easily reduce your paladin army with a mix of offensive spells, because defence skill does nothing against, for instance, lightning bolt.
But nothing says that you must stick with only one alignment, does it? Having creatures from two different castles don't give you a morale penalty, and knights get leadership easily, so going for non-knight creatures works, like my strategy earlier mentioned.
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viking
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posted June 05, 2004 03:15 PM |
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yeah, crusaders and paladins are really weak against a lightning bolt.
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Daddy
Responsible
Supreme Hero
and why not.
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posted June 05, 2004 05:28 PM |
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Zealot, the thought comes to me that you really know alot about H2
@ comparism 1-5: Well, quite right that a lvl5 creature is much stronger than a lvl1 creature - besides that is clear, I didn't mean that^^ Well.. Let's just say, I didn't ecpress it clear enaugh^^
regards
Daddy
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Zealot
Hired Hero
The heroes 2 zealot
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posted June 05, 2004 05:39 PM |
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Well Daddy, that's what I am, a Heroes 2 Zealot.
I still don't know what you mean, but whatever. Heroes 2 is my favourite game of all time.
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Powerlich22
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posted June 06, 2004 06:16 AM |
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Um, yea compared to the others it might be so that they not THAT balanced In this case H3 is better, but the town, in itself is balanced in H2 - I mean between the creatures of 1 town, e.g. compare Rangers with, er Swordmasters. in relation to the growth I think they are balanced.
Did I explain it good enaugh, what I meant?
regards
You are partly right. Some creatures are balanced.
But an example like:
Black Dragon vs. Centaur
Black Dragon - you would have a horde a after a while
Centaurs - in the meantime you would have Zounds... of centaurs.
Now I am positive that the black dragons will win, even if you had 51 dragons and 999 centaurs, because dragons start first.
Now if this is applied in a real game you would never have as much as centaurs, because you'll probably try to get stronger creatures.
This also applies for knight
Crusader vs Peasant
Crusader would win no matter what.
For Necromancers is different. There there is more chance for zounds of skeletons to win, than for a horde of bone dragons. You might say that some towns are balanced but not all.
PS. knight is cool if you have a large army of master swordsmen.
Some side-notes:
Black dragon vs. Centaur - If you consider the fact that to get 51 dragons you have to go through at least 3 months and be a miracle worker with mines to get to that point, whereas having a mere 1000 centaurs would be pitiful at that point, considering you'd have to be pretty bad with resources.
Crusader vs. Peasant - Peasant isn't really a combat unit. I don't think there's really any purpose for peasants tobe in the game, except for the efficency with money to build, say, a cheap explorer, obviously not prepared for combat.
And besides. Who has a 1v1 in H2, honestly? Do you equip a hero with a single creature and tell him to battle? I thought not. On top of that, with the combination of spell assistance, you can ballance out an otherwise slightly uneven battle.
On the original question with Bdragon vs. Titan;
PRICE: Advantage - TITAN; Simply put, titan costs less. Though this can sometimes depend on the map and starting location due to the secondary resource required to pay for both, usually, the titan will cost less.
DAMAGE: Advantage - BLACK DRAGON; Black dragon's moderate damage bonus will rapidly increase as the army expands.
DURABILITY: Advantage - BLACK DRAGON; It's got more health, and the defence difference is little. There's not much more to it.
ABILITIES: Advantage - Tie; both have very situational abilities. Titan's ability to shoot is naturally a good ability to have when defending, allowing you to attack your oppoment without him being able to attack full-strength or not at all back, whereas the black dragon can fly, and double-attack. Being able to fly helps a lot on a rush or attacking a well-defended castle. If you can line someone up, the double-attack is fatal considering as little as three black dragons can do more then 100 damage easily.
Overall, the black dragon is the winner. Despite the Titan having higher stats overall and the lightning gun, it can't best the dragon, though, in certian situations, the titan can be helpful.
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Zealot
Hired Hero
The heroes 2 zealot
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posted June 06, 2004 02:31 PM |
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Not to mention that dragons have magic invulnerability. Dragons simply rule. Armageddon/Elemental storm - dragon combo owns your momma.
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viking
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posted June 06, 2004 03:56 PM |
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Not to mention that dragons have magic invulnerability. Dragons simply rule. Armageddon/Elemental storm - dragon combo owns your momma.
Thats what I use whenever I have black dragons. I simply take a hero and give him black dragond ONLY, that way none I wouldn't waste my army when I cas Armageddon. This is how I finished the Dragon Wars map.
I didn't know there were so many Homm2 people who hate Homm3. Way to go!
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zealot
Hired Hero
The heroes 2 zealot
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posted June 06, 2004 03:58 PM |
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I don't hate heroes 3. That's a great game too, just second best.
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