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bjorn190
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posted June 08, 2004 03:01 PM |
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What about not getting pregnant every 9 months? is that murder too? I mean, you could be making babies.. if you dont do that, all those babies are not alive =(((((( its murder!!
Time to stop posting and start making babies.. 
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Shai-Hulud
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posted June 08, 2004 03:13 PM |
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We get a fetus, so eventually a baby, when the male gamet engages that biological process, called fertilazation, with the female gamet( ohh! i was so scientific: you can call me now the father of biology)...
We are talking about killing fetuses not about human cells alone.
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Ruby
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posted June 08, 2004 10:31 PM |
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Bjorn?
What r u talking about Bjorn??
I just adore the argument......
Why don't u go make a baby somewhere else
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frostwolf
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posted June 08, 2004 11:16 PM |
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For example, the planet is already overpopulated, and any newborn will only lead to a further decrease in the ecologycal balance.
Another silly argument. Then why don't we just kill you instead of the baby?Quote:
Killing myself would not help. However, if you would commit suicide with me, and a few million people would do the same thing, and we would have a controled birth rate, I would gladly do it.
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privatehudson
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posted June 08, 2004 11:35 PM |
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Not silly, your idea is self defeating, taken to it's conclusion there would sooner or later be no-one left to adopt the unwanted child. The adoption process is already struggling, but please, don't let that bother you 
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The_Gootch
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posted June 08, 2004 11:36 PM |
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Bah, both arguments don't wash.
It's murder, but it needs to remain legal until such time we live in a world where there are no unwanted pregnancies.
Ruby, you have an energy level about you...you remind me of someone who used to be a member here. I think he was your age. 12-14 maybe? I think you and him would have made the perfect couple.
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Ruby
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posted June 09, 2004 02:00 AM |
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*blushes*
really??
Energy defines me....
Yeah I'm 14 tomorrow....he he
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Dingo
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posted June 09, 2004 04:28 AM |
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What r u talking about Bjorn??
I just adore the argument......
I understood what Bjorn was saying.
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Vadskye91
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posted June 11, 2004 02:02 AM |
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Same here. Makes sense actually. (Imagine that! )
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LordZXZX
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posted June 11, 2004 02:14 PM |
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I'm not against abortion, but if they want to abort they must have a sufficient reason.
Consider the following:
Ruby haven't any unwanted pregnancies b4. If you do get an unwanted pregnancy,(like being raped) would you keep the baby? At 14, there's so much work at school and such, having a fetus in your womb adds your stress. OK, so you wanna put the baby for abortion. But are you willing to go for 9 months in your teens? If I were a girl, I wouldn't.
Besides, there's all that hassle you have to go through the abortion.
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Gandalfs_Girl
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posted June 11, 2004 02:22 PM |
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I agree. i don't think abortion is right because there is usually a way of ensuring u dont get pregnant so no need to consider abortion. but reasons like rape i think if u want abortion it is ok. like u said adoption but i know if i was raped and had to go 9 months havin this "thing" inside me i wudn't be able to cope. no1 should have to go thru that.
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Marelt_Ekiran
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posted June 11, 2004 08:22 PM |
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Keep in mind that no method of prevention is absolutely fool-proof (aside from abstinance).
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Gandalfs_Girl
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posted June 11, 2004 08:28 PM |
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well if it makes u feel any better ppl are becoming less fertile everyday s'posedly according to new experiments all because of drinkin tap water.
womens oral contraceptive (the pill) is getting into the water through women goin to the toilet because it cannot be filtered out so men drink it and become less fertile.
so less ppl are gettin preggers anyways.
^quite useless info but im bored as hell here lol^
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Ruby
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posted June 12, 2004 01:40 AM |
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okay...
If I got pregnant now....I would of course have the baby, but I would put it up for adoption. Of course I would feel terrible about doing that, because any mother would, and of course I would have to go through the pain and suffering of child birth, but I would rather do that than kill it.
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dodongo
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posted July 10, 2004 10:10 PM |
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geez
An embryo has no rights.
Rights do not pertain to a potential, only to an actual being. The living take precedence over the not-yet-living.
If any among your are confused or taken in by the arguement that the cells of an embryo are living human cells, remember that so are all the cells of your body, including the cells of your skin, your tonsils, or your ruptured appendix and that cutting them is murder according to the notions proposed laws.
Point being what is inside a woman during the first weeks of pregnancy isn't technically alive. It has no nervsystem, pain receptors or responces.. it is just a collection of cells no different to those on your hands or face.
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hamsi128
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posted July 11, 2004 11:28 AM |
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its not murder...
one baby goes one baby comes...
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Nidhgrin
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posted July 11, 2004 08:06 PM |
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I agree with Ruby saying abortion is murder, no matter at what time during pregnancy but...
Like Romy says I think there are cases where it should be possible. A baby conceived as a result of rape, or babies with some sort of life threatening disease like aids or other serious diseases. What if the mother may die giving birth due to some sort of complications? What if the mother's infected with aids for instance and doesn't have long to live anymore? What if the baby is infected aswell?
You're also talking about abortion as if it's the easiest thing in the world but I think if you'd have carried a baby for 9 months it wouldn't be so easy to give it up. You also need a man to make a baby with (though science's good on its way to make us redundant ) who has to agree on that abortion. It's all not so easy...
Abortion is wrong but in some cases, I'd say it's the lesser of two evils.
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posted July 12, 2004 03:32 AM |
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womens oral contraceptive (the pill) is getting into the water through women goin to the toilet because it cannot be filtered out so men drink it and become less fertile.
I highly doubt this is happening.
What is your source of information?
I believe, that this thread should be in the Other Side of the Monitor.
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posted July 14, 2004 04:29 PM |
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Hmmm, just occasionally I get *surprised* into posting again. No, I haven't read all the reply's here, just a few (I'm a bit to busy these days to vist really), but you all know me I have an opinion on everything.
Both my mother and my boyfriend were adopted and I love them dearly. However, I am very much pro abortion as adoption can cause quite a bit of damage, fostercare more so, and having a child who you don't want or you can't have must be the ultimate in painful, rape issues asside.
Being adopted hurts a lot. I have been told by many people, including two I love very much that it can be very painful, knowing that the one person who was meant to love you unconditionally didn't. That's a very sad thing.
That aside, on to the mothers. Yes, it is overwhelmingly a woman's right to chose, regardless of life in the foetus. One example is Edward's Syndrome. Any child born with Edward's Syndrome will not live very long (max 6 months)and will live a life in pain. It is very selfish to give birth to such a child in my opinion. They have no real hands and feet, no eyes, no real brain. It is so severe that doctors offer induced early labour as late as 8 months.
Another example is a mother who can't care for herself or her child. Maybe somebody who is too young, or who doesn't feel able to care for a child. Regardless of sentiment, I don't think it's right to use the law to attempt to force somebody to live a life they will be discontent with to the extent it will harm their child (ie, child abuse due to frustration). "I wish you'd never been born", maybe the harshest words in the world.
Before abortion was legalised, women would often attempt to get rid of the foetus themselves or go to a backstreet abortionist. More women died in this way, it has been suggested, than die yearly of breast cancer now. Simply making something illegal doesn't make it go away. The death of something which was never really alive can not possibly be said to be more horrible than the deaths of those already living, who may have wanted to be something more than housewives, and ended up without even their lives. The fact they knew the risks and were willing to gamble their lives says something.
Infantiside was also a major problem, the death of a newborn child after the confusion of birth largely agreed on as worse than the death of a three month old foetus smaller than a fist.
Whilst using abortion as a method of contraception is rightly frowned upon, as it is an unescessary risk to, appart from anything else, a woman's future fertilitly, as a woman who wishes for a good deal from life before she has a family I have to say that taking away the right to chose brings nothing but more blood on your hands.
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