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Thread: Tavern Complaints/Feedback from Community This thread is 58 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 ... 10 20 30 40 50 ... 54 55 56 57 58 · «PREV / NEXT»
Aculias
Aculias


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posted August 07, 2004 09:28 PM

Why do people always get credit for what I say LOL.

Thats what I been telling you Deal,This is a place for fun & if you guys are having fun, then by all means, dont let them run you out like how yalls feel in the TT.
Follow the rules on no swearing & a couple of other stuff.

Of course we dont want you to change but there are exceptions for the rules.
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posted August 08, 2004 12:19 AM

I seriously just don't get it. I think DTT is like a lot of Tavern threads.

And thx, but someone had to make a thread about it, and better make it a fat dude, because otherwise fat people would get slammed into the ground.
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Aculias
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posted August 08, 2004 04:43 AM

If I owned HC I could care less as long as your having fun.
Since Valiery has rules, it has to be followed.
Even if they are jokes like how Ruby & her short friend were making thier jokes & all.
For me it is all good but not for the boss.

Sox told me why he put the DTT in the wastelands before he did it & it was only to see how you guys would react to it.
Yalls look at Sox as some kind of Mod god where I dont think I see him as a very good mod in the tavern specifically.
His mod atrtitude belongs in the more serious forums if he was still a mod.

I find it pretty cold that thier act is final no matter what.
The way you guys are, the way you guys talk (type) to each other.
Shoot TT basically the same thang & you guys seemed to cool on the swearing.
It's just that TT is more liked I guess.
Same thang, you guys deserve your own place since yalls created it you have rights just like the rest of us.

Yea when it was placed in the Wastelands it was pretty bad but theres improvements, who cares if theres a sentence in each post, as long as yalls are having fun & following the rules.
I think Sox was a terrible Mod in the tavern & this act is still pretty messed up.

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TheRealDeal
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posted August 08, 2004 10:48 AM

Thx to mr Acu

To All Mods of the Tavern: Noticed that someone agrees with us?

Thx Acu. It was nice to have some support.

But even though we get support, they won't let us back in. DTT was made for Tavern, and it has the right content. Maybe we don't write to much in a post, but we have fun.

And it's noticeable that since we got into VW, there is like no posts dropping in any more. Which is killing the thread slowly.
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posted August 09, 2004 08:29 AM

the attitude of CERTAIN mods is not right. Im not taking sides, but if DTT should be in the WW, then so shoult TT. Its as simple as that.
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posted August 09, 2004 08:36 AM

Pandora everythang is ok, DIngo & I had a little talk & I think thangs will at least be better.
I wouldnt worry about this issue anymore .

We both made agreements that I will also try to keep more of a peaceful nature then attacking on everythang I see wrong.
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posted August 09, 2004 12:34 PM

aculias, rules are here to be followed.

They aint here for no reason.

They are here to enforce that more people have fun because you have to post in certain directions.

Lets say rules were removed, that would problably mean that all of HC would turn into a spamfest.

A spamfest that would make most members leave.

Its easy, the are rules and there are moderators to enforce that those rules are followed.

Do that mean we have to agree with everything to mods do? no and sometimes they are wrong aswell and it happens that some of them are capable of realising that by changing their decisions if enough members think so.

But that isnt the case with DDT, the only thing about DDT is that its more complaint about here then any obvious sign of improvement.

To me its simple, the mods have already made their case about what should happen for the thread to get back in.

Either the posters of DDT make sure that happens and are let in back in tavern.

Or they keep posting the way they want and dont give a snow if its placed in VW.

I think one point is being missed in this discussion though, why do you think the posting frequency has dropped significally?

I mean DDT has always had a restricted group of posters so it shouldnt really matter to them where the thread actually is. Since people bring up TT to compare with all the time, i dont care where that thread is i would post in it anyway.

So it seems to me that either DDT is losing in interest or some of the members there are just posting for a post increase.

Either way both of those options are what significates a VW thread and therefor i think this discussion should end now.

It only messes up more important issues (like those questions i made ) because of this feedback thread gets filled with this discussion all the time.

So cant we just let it end here?

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posted August 09, 2004 12:50 PM

Darn now the funs gone hehe.
Very well hehe, lets end it, not my fight anyways.
Not my thread & i dont even read in there hardly just a skim.

At least on my part I will end it but you know me I speak out if I find a reason too.

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posted August 09, 2004 03:29 PM

1: There was people who frequently posted in tavern which dropped by now and then. New issues and all of that.

2: Stiven this is not you're fight? But you're welcome.

3: And its true, if TT should stay, so should DTT. Maybe this truth makes Stiven fight back?

Good Day.
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posted August 09, 2004 04:42 PM
Edited By: pandora on 9 Aug 2004

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the attitude of CERTAIN mods is not right. Im not taking sides, but if DTT should be in the WW, then so shoult TT. Its as simple as that.


Explain which and say why please. It's easier to respond to a direct attack than an implied one.


I really think that everyone involved in this 'debate' is simply refusing to look at anything the mods have said. I have been trying to respond to everything, and explain our actions over and over again - yet it seems that the people arguing here refuse to even look at the mods' reasoning.

as for Acu's comment that Redsox moved DTT to "see what would happen" such a thing was never said to me. Not once. I have already explained what reasons the thread was moved, and every one comes from the CoC and the rules of this message board.
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posted August 10, 2004 06:20 AM

Now he might have made some kind of smart alek comment on MSN to you Acu, but he decision to move DTT was a JOINT decision. ALL of us discussed it and decided to move it. The rationale that if DTT is in VW, then so should TT is just ludicris. The style of posting is COMPLETELY different. The TT posters spend some time and put some thought into their posts. The same cannot be said for the DTT, at least not what it was before. I can honestly say I haven't looked at it in a while.
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posted August 10, 2004 07:05 AM

Quote:
Well what if a few kid liked that toy? Even if it was broken? And didn't see the need for it to be fixed?

Well okay. Here's a question: How Do I Fix It?

Should i just go into DTT and say:

No Swearing.
Longer Posts.
No Ryan.
No Strap'ons
And more funny Posts!

Regards RD

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doomnezeu
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posted August 10, 2004 08:57 AM

Pan

I wasn't aming at you. In fact, i wasn't aiming at nobody. It was just a remark that's all.

But from what i can see on HC, there is a certain trend to kill every last tavern that appears, except the allmighty TT, of course.

I remember back when Gorman, I think, created the Spammer's Tavern. It was so cool. But Lichey (back then he was a mod) moved it instantly to the WW. Then, one day, it got deleted. I'm preety sure it was not on the second page of the WW, and the amount of time required for it to be deleted wasn't up. So, one tavern down.

Now you do the same with this one. It's really funny (in a certain way, of course), I enjoied browsing it from time to time. But now, it's in The Wastelands, due to the moderators' overzelous behavior. And of course, I can predict that it would be deleted soon, with the same set of rules "respected". The reason might be one like "hey, it was to damn big, too much space wasted... so it's gone now". But nobody looks at the gargantuan sise of the TT. It's a good thread, nothing to be said here, but it's a tavern, nothing more. Taverns should stick togeter.


Why do you say that TT has more elaborate posts? You should check again the last 20 - 30 pages or so. And the fact that you post there freqvently and you are a mod, doesn't make it better, you know But, as I said, i don't wanna take sides, i only seldom post in those taverns, and most of all, it's not my decision. But the lack of democracy that is currently performed by some moderators leaves me with a bitterseet taste. Too bad.
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posted August 10, 2004 09:07 AM

Well RealDeal, I guess this is where it's difficult.

If you guys are having fun the way it is, then you really shouldn't change it. Also, if you're all enjoying posting together it shouldn't matter where it is either, should it?

At this point, even the members that go there to defend you are just contibuting to the spam there lol

It seems that you think by moving your thread the mods have decided that you guys are doing something wrong and therefore need to be punished. That's just not the case. The swearing was wrong, the racist remark in your poem was SO wrong; but otherwise its harmless spam.

I don't think you or anyone who posts there is 'less worthy' of being in the tavern than any other poster. I simply feel that the style of thread that it is fits every and all description of what type of thing goes to the wastelands.

I think the questions you need to ask yourself are these
a: Do I really want the style of my thread to change?
b: Is it really the location of the thread that is the problem?

Tavern type threads go quiet sometimes, it happens when some of the posters find themselves busy - or when maybe they're just bored?

If you want to change the thread, then why not just direct members here or tell them what's been discussed? I would guess they don't want to post in another style, the lighthearted style is what's enjoyed there - but you can put it to them...

Does this one help? I'm trying...
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posted August 10, 2004 09:08 AM

This is get annoying...

Okay... I've been reading this debate from the start, and I was sure i won't get involved.. But it's getting really annoying...

I have one question... Pan..You brought one simple argument: DTT got moved beacuse it's bad conetnt regarding the CoC... Well I really don't understand.. For bad content you give -QP's, delete posts, right? But you don't move it to another place... This doesn't solve the problem, except... the final goal is to get deteled... Otherwise I don't see a solution in moving a thread...

If I am wromg, please enlighten me, by telling the final goal for moving it to VW?
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posted August 10, 2004 09:17 AM
Edited By: pandora on 10 Aug 2004

Wow... I'd love for you to find and quote where I said that TT was better?

I think that really a lot of people are looking at this as some sort of war between TT and DTT and I find that pretty frustrating.

First let me point out that the problems that started with DTT began before I became a mod.

Second before I was a mod and while the first debates about people feeling thrown out of TT I always posted that i didn't like anyone feeling unwelcome, and that I personally was not against any one of them - I was simply against all the spam.

and Lastly this thing has nothing at all to do with my personal feelings, likes or dislikes. A joint decision was made by the mods based on the CoC and our guidelines - that's it.

I may seem like I've been very vocal, but that's because I don't like things left unsaid and people being sad, maybe it's a mom thing but i like problems solved quickly and effeciently with minimal whining

But please, don't try to make this anything to do with TT because it is not. Yes I post there, and no I won't stop because being a mod didn't mean that I have to stop having fun too. so there.

EDIT:: ugh Shai, please read again. I said it was not moved to punish anyone.

Seriously, I'm just feeling like I say the same things over and over and no one listens
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posted August 10, 2004 09:39 AM

Both taverns are different so therefore people are going to favor one or the other.
Personally i like TT better & thats because it suits me more on having fun,it has nothing to do with quality.

A solution I mentioned before is maybe they should make a DTT in another message board because it seems some are unhappy, while it is evident that some really dont care.
If your feeling unwelcome then try another message board like the Grove one or the new one.
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posted August 10, 2004 01:45 PM

tossers

now youre doing it again.

Stop this utterly discussed through, repeated and most of all boring discussion.

Everyone have had their saying now (some have repeated it 5-6 times it seems) and its not getting anywhere.

The only choice to be made now is if DDT wanna keep their postings up the way they are (and as they like it) and stay in VW or wanna change styles and go to Tavern.

Obviously you cant have it bothways and stop dragging TT into this filthy conversation all the time, a quality thread as TT should not even be compared with DDT. That is a insult if you ask me and a direct CoC violation

So stop this boringness now because it seems all focus have turned to this and its just ridicioulus.

If you wanna contribute to make tavern better you can answer for example the questions i made instead of making ridicioulus hidden attacks on moderators and making non contributive statements in this thread.

so there, its times like this i wish i was a moderator of this place so i could just shut all of you up and try to focus on more important matters

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posted August 10, 2004 03:26 PM

I agree with Doom.

If you haven't noticed, we have 3 TT posters here. And 2 of them, Stiven and Pandora, defended without looking at the other side. Because, if you've noticed the content of the threads..

TT:

Jokes. Beer. Talking.

DTT:

Jokes. Beer. Talking. Wet t shirts.

hmm.. wow?

You also keep on saying that it shouldn't matter where it is. Now, for the last time i'm going to tell this in a way it can't be misunderstood.

I DON'T CARE, IF YOU'D PLEASE LOOK AT IT YOU CAN SEE FOR YOU'RE SELF THAT SOMETHING HAS CHANGED SINCE WE GOT MOVED. IT'S NOT THAT HARD.

Now that that's settled, we can agree to that something has changed.

In a more hidden way, TT also breaks the CoC. They are just more stealthy, i can't stand in for the swearing part thought.

And this is just for you stiven. We have to drag your precious TT into this, because its the only other tavern, so we have no choice, so, stop whining like a 12 year old baby and start paying attention. I can't sit here comparing DTT to a  thread about music, now can i? So quit your yappin', TT is going to be compared. Live with it, or stop loving TT so much.
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posted August 10, 2004 09:32 PM

Posting in the Complaints thread

After all this debate stuff, here and in the old RSF's thread, I camed to one simple conclusion: POSTING IN THE COMPLAINTS THREAD IS BAD!!!

How come? Simple... First of all, in any of this complaints there will be a complainter and a defender.. This way you get to put face to face in a war to persons, that maybe where best friends before.. After this debate, their position toward each other is taking a bad road.. Let me give you 2 simple examples: Me and Pandora. I thought and I still think she is the best MOD around here... After this whole debate, she taking a defending position, me a complaint one. This brought only one thing: she thinks now I'm just an ordinary idiot who can't understand what she is saying... Pan you really got that message wrong... The second example... Lich and Doomnezeu.. After Doomnezeu made a post, having Lich brought into this disscusion, Lich relpied saying he is so dissapointed... This made Lich's opinion change about Doomnezeu... Ain't this a stupid thing to do? Writing in a thread so that people get bad opinions about you?!?

Also this kinda of thread leads to everlasting disscusions with much non-sense.. And here I'm not talking about the DTT problem, I'm talking about all complaints.. And you'll asks.. But how the hell will we be able to communicate our complaints... People.. get a real time disscusion... get one of those messengers and start talking.. You'll have much more productive results.. Don't wast your time with complaints disscusion on a thread.. This way, at least 6 more members will get involved, making a whole war..

As a final statement.. I believe this thread should get deleted, created another one, which will only contain surveys( where people will only present their opinon, maybe with no arguments, but other members want have the right to contest their decision)... I this thread brought some enlightment...

P.S. I shall get back to my old style of posting... just write posts, without any requests for anything...

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