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THEultimateN...
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posted January 14, 2005 08:21 PM |
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How amusing. Why fear something that's going to happen? You know its coming for you someday so why spend your time worrying about it? You can spend your time worrying about more important things like how to change your grandson's diaper instead of "when will I die?" The odd thing is how nobody in the world knows what death is like. Nobody knows if it's going to be painful or pleasant or what happens after death. Everyone has their own opinionated beliefs, such as reincarnation while others believe in going to heaven/hell. When my grandfather died when I was a teenager my parent's told me he went to a better place. Yet all I could think about at that time was, "How do they know?" They don't know where he "went", if he went anywhere, and I still ponder occasionaly on what happens when we die. I believe that people who claim to fear death don't really fear death itself, they fear the possibilities of what happens after death.
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Khaelo
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posted January 14, 2005 09:51 PM |
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(I deleted my old post, don't remember why, here's a replacement)
Fear is a personal thing. Like most emotions, its basis in logic is variant and occasionally non-existant. Viscerally speaking, my fear of balloons, fire alarms, and other loud, sudden noises exceeds my fear of my own death. I'd rather be in a building threatened by a tornado than one threatened by a fire drill. Stupid as heck, but there you have it. Point being, I don't think it's fair to berate people for their fear of death, or lack thereof.
On a more philosophical note, death is a rather large topic. I dread the deaths of loved ones more than my own death. When I die, my basic feeling is that everything will be okay. Either my religious faith is well-placed and I will be taken care of, or there will be no more "me" to worry about it anyway. When my loved ones die, on the other hand, I have to go on without them. The thought of that loss, that pain, is scary. Pain is worse than oblivion, in my opinion.
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Svarog
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posted January 15, 2005 02:59 AM |
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Edited By: Svarog on 14 Jan 2005
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You’re just like all the others. Pathetic, that’s what you are, by trying to prove that you’re above unimportant things, like dieing.
You, my nervous little friend, are way out of line. I'm not saying I dont fear death, much less I'm saying it's unimportant. Just the opposite, it's the only thing man cant avoid, the only fear he cant conquer.
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I do not fear death, for it is inevitable;
Now make up your mind. What are you, in your own words: a "self-made, real man" fearing death, or a "pathetic, hopelessly trying to rise above death person"?
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I only fear things that I know I can influence or change, because I don’t always make the right decision.
People fearing things they can change points to me to an unconfident individual without any initiative in life. People usually fear things that they have no control of, or that they dont understand (and consequently they cant change it). That is why we see people fearing death of close ones, suspecting wars, disasters, which in a way are all connected to death. Sure, there are lots of other emotional fears, but they are all mortal and inferior to the truly free will. It is the act of a free individual to face all those fears and conquer them. But the moment you face death, you're the one that is conquered. Thats why I said death is the only reasonable fear; all the other ones being fears of unfree individuals.
[Irrational phobias (like Khaelo's fear of noises, and mine of cheese  ) are also indication of non-freedom, but in signigicance being much more unimportant than emotional fears. So i guess we can tolerate these.  ]
btw, cool off, buddha man. 
@ khaelo
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Like most emotions, its basis in logic is variant and occasionally non-existant.
Maybe not in the area of formal logic, but in psychological logic, fear is always connected to something, in fact its an artificial restrain of will caused by some more or less objective factors. For e.g. balloons, there was certainly some event in your childhood which caused this fear, even though u might not remember. But psychologically, it makes perfect sense.
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McWilliams
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posted January 15, 2005 08:55 AM |
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You’re just like all the others. Pathetic, that’s what you are, by trying to prove that you’re above unimportant things, like dieing.
You, my nervous little friend, are way out of line. I'm not saying I dont fear death, much less I'm saying it's unimportant. Just the opposite, it's the only thing man cant avoid, the only fear he cant conquer.
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I do not fear death, for it is inevitable;
Now make up your mind. What are you, in your own words: a "self-made, real man" fearing death, or a "pathetic, hopelessly trying to rise above death person"?
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I only fear things that I know I can influence or change, because I don’t always make the right decision.
People fearing things they can change points to me to an unconfident individual without any initiative in life. People usually fear things that they have no control of, or that they dont understand (and consequently they cant change it). That is why we see people fearing death of close ones, suspecting wars, disasters, which in a way are all connected to death. Sure, there are lots of other emotional fears, but they are all mortal and inferior to the truly free will. It is the act of a free individual to face all those fears and conquer them. But the moment you face death, you're the one that is conquered. Thats why I said death is the only reasonable fear; all the other ones being fears of unfree individuals.
[Irrational phobias (like Khaelo's fear of noises, and mine of cheese ) are also indication of non-freedom, but in signigicance being much more unimportant than emotional fears. So i guess we can tolerate these. ]
btw, cool off, buddha man.
Do not talk to me as if you are one step above all others. I am not afraid of death. You cannot use the verb "afraid" when referring to death; yes, I know I'm going to nibble the dust at a certain point, but that doesn't mean I'm going to live in solitaire confinement.
You say people who have fear of what they can control make them weak, unconfident. Well, perhaps you are right. But that doesn’t mean that I cannot fear them. I have no known phobias: no fear of heights, no fear of insects, no fear of small, dark spaces etc. Should I discover any phobia I might have, I am confident I can overcome it. It may prove difficult, and it may take time, but in the end I WILL overcome it.
You ask me what kind of man I am: well, in case you haven’t noticed, I’m 18 years old; I’m not old enough to be self-made, nor am I wise enough. But someday I will.
As for Buddha, please keep your thoughts to yourself. If you haven’t experienced democracy until now, you may want to find out that everyone is entitled to the right of choosing religion. My choice was Buddha. I very much doubt you made your choice, because you speak like a so-called atheist. I don’t care who you are, but it’s not your business who I am.
And one more thing: I don't care WHEN I die, I care HOW I die.
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THEultimateN...
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posted January 16, 2005 10:03 AM |
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McWilliams, young lad, please understand that Svarog is entitled his opinion and has the right to voice it in a manner that doesn't literally attack anyone in particular. Such as if he were to tell Consis that he's a deludid lunatic or some much harsher insult. Svarog's just giving his two cents worth as are you and everyone else in the community.
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Shai-Hulud
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posted January 17, 2005 12:49 AM |
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He he .. debate
Don't know if you belive me or not, but I've kinda faced death like 7-8 times.. I was hit by a car, fell from 2 metres right in my head( yeah and I'm not dumb yet ), one car just stopped near me, touching my leg softly after a harsh brake, also I took one's car mirror off with my arm, while he was drivinf with 80 and a last time I drank so much coffee that I almost ended coma and nobody was home to help me... Interesting, ey?
So saying this.. I know I'm afraid of death as every human on this planet. Some of you here say you are not afraid of death, like McWilliems. I must tell you my friend, that you're teribelly wrong. Even if I was so close too death so many times and I tell myslef I shouldn't be afraid, something unexecpected happens and after it passes away I can still feel the adrenaline in me.. You say you're not afraid of death. WRONG! You're not afraid of death coming naturally when you get old an d rusty in your seeth arm chair. That I do no fear either, but ALL OF YOU fear that unppredictble death that comes just like that, one second and you're dead. That my friends you all fear... Even atheistm can't help you against that. I believe the only humnas that are really not afraid od death are those who commit suicide. they faced death to the end, and they found their end. RIP
<dead>Shai-Hulud</dead>
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Orion
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posted January 17, 2005 05:04 AM |
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So saying this.. I know I'm afraid of death as every human on this planet. Some of you here say you are not afraid of death, like McWilliems. I must tell you my friend, that you're teribelly wrong.
wrong about their own feelings
i dont fear death iam not religious so i dont have
the comfort of a afterlife or reincarnations etc but
death hold no fear for me
we all die name one thing that has everlived and not died
why fear what is such a important part of life
in most cases people die in ways that would mean
they would never know they died
and any way im to curious i might not believe in religion
but i have no undeniable proof there is no afterlife
and im to curious not to want to die one day
9999 years from now preferably but one day
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Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
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TitaniumAlloy
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posted January 17, 2005 10:45 AM |
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I thought about Death last night. Frightened the hell out of me, because I feel that for once I had a glimpse at what death really is.
Without religion, death is a scary, scary thing.
Imagine, suddenly nothing. Your point of view ends, nothing more. Your soul, gone. It's wierd. No blackness, no nothingness, just end. You can't think of it from your perspective, because you won't have one.
A daunting prospect, but lifes too long to linger on it.
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