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vampire_999
vampire_999

Tavern Dweller
posted August 08, 2001 09:59 AM

Poll Question:
what's the "no hit and run" exactly meaning?

   I played bfh with Revelations21 today.at week3day6,he bring 2 green dras(other 2 dras had killed at day5) attack my main hero,it is on the couse round,so i connot use chan_linghting.we all use magic arrow.at third turn,i use a magic arrow and run.he said i break the rules ,and  quit immediatly.
   I said no hit and run is " NO Hit & Run:   1. Hit = hit only by magic  spell; 2. It is possible to run during every turn if  a player (who wants to run) doesnt hit his opponent during current turn, be it 1st or 2nd.... - no matter; 3. It is possible to hit and run during the same turn if the current turn is 3rd (for attacker) / 2nd (for defender).----copy from division battle page)"i never beake the rules with playig others.
 
 but he said i am a cheater and other nasty words(Is that  a Yankee always do?).becouse he mean "no hit and run" is no magic at u run's turn,if that is no hit and run,we cannot use magic at last turn at final battle,but how can we know what turn we should to run?like in ones final battle's last turn,we have 10 gold dras left,and use a magic arrow ,he use a 5lvl magic,and i lose lot's of drags,so i cannot run at that turn?how can i know he has 5lvl magic at first if he never use it?it will be unfair at almost battle. so it isn't the "no hit and run"'s meaning.i fell very grievance,becouse i have 4 black dras follow my main hero.and he has no chance to win.i said i will email to deah8 for judge,he said it isnot a good idea.to make a poll on toh mesage board than it.so i do it, that's all.
  but who was the right?if the answers agree me than Revelations21 in one week.I will ask Revelations21 for a apologize(seems chinese always TOO weakness, so only can want a  apologize). and i will email deat8,if not ,i will change my mind and play no rules anyway hence .

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haile73
haile73


Promising
Famous Hero
posted August 08, 2001 10:23 AM

same old story

Hi vampire_999,

sorry to hear about that. But I don't think you should post your opponent's name "in the public".

I've had a similar experience last weekend; BfH, he Stronghold, me Rampart... we agreed on "no hit and run".he sorta outplayed me (visited all locations earlier and got middle town (tower))... I built up 2 mains, Malekith and Mephala... his main (Craig Hack) got into the range of Malekith during week 3. He got a "pack" of TBirds and "few" Behemots.. Malekith got 3 green dragons (1 has died in a earlier fight) ,approx. 20 silver pegasi, 14 spellpoints and spellpower 9. Craig's Might stats were far superior (although I couldn't see them) and I took a chance... he got 3 behemots and 15 TBirds

I split pegasi, put them around my dragons.. casted lighting bolt (220 damage) - 1st behemot dead... he casts lighting bolt on my pegasi - 7 dead.. 2nd round.. me casting magic arrow on Behemots... next one dead.. .my pegasi kill the last one. he casts spell on one of my pegasi guards, his tbirds attacking my dragons, killing one, the retalation kills (only) one of his tbirds... beginning of round 3.. so what shall I do? no magic left, his tbirds will kill my dragons.. of course i surrendered. so he started calling me a cheater and insulted me. well, he said he would continue playing, but I didn't want no more (I know exactly what would have happened, even if I won), so I left the game and reported loss (didn't want to get into trouble; since he ouptlayed me I think that's only fair somehow)...

So I learned 2 things:
1) never play this person again
2) demand an exact definition of h&r at beginning of the game (3rd round for attacker, 2nd for defender sounds reasonable to me)

maybe that's the way you should handle that, too

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BlankPage


Hired Hero
posted August 08, 2001 11:39 AM

Additional rules

Will always be a problem as different people puts different meanings into the word.

I thought "no hit and run" mainly ment. Dont attack with magic and run during the first round. A defender should always be able to withdraw in the first round. Personally I think it`s ok for the attacker as well, no matter if he gets to go first or not, but can accept if he/she wish to have no magic then split in the first round for the attacker.

Just some thoughts.
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rychenroller
rychenroller


Promising
Supreme Hero
posted August 08, 2001 12:58 PM

SHUTUP ABOUT HIT AND GODDAMN RUN!!!!!!

Or better yet, read the other 49582 posts about this topic elsewhere

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revelation
revelation

Tavern Dweller
posted August 08, 2001 04:21 PM

Why do you have to tell lies to people?

Quote:
   I played bfh with Revelations21 today.at week3day6,he bring 2 green dras(other 2 dras had killed at day5) attack my main hero,it is on the couse round,so i connot use chan_linghting.we all use magic arrow.at third turn,i use a magic arrow and run.he said i break the rules ,and  quit immediatly.
   I said no hit and run is " NO Hit & Run:   1. Hit = hit only by magic  spell; 2. It is possible to run during every turn if  a player (who wants to run) doesnt hit his opponent during current turn, be it 1st or 2nd.... - no matter; 3. It is possible to hit and run during the same turn if the current turn is 3rd (for attacker) / 2nd (for defender).----copy from division battle page)"i never beake the rules with playig others.
 
 but he said i am a cheater and other nasty words(Is that  a Yankee always do?).becouse he mean "no hit and run" is no magic at u run's turn,if that is no hit and run,we cannot use magic at last turn at final battle,but how can we know what turn we should to run?like in ones final battle's last he never use it?it will be unfair at almost battle. so it isn't the "no hit and run"'s meaning.i fell very grievance,becouse i have 4 black dras follow my main hero.and he has no chance to win.i said i will email to deah8 for judge,he said it isnot a good idea.to make a poll on toh mesage board than it.so i do it, that's all.turn,we have 10 gold dras left,and use a magic arrow ,he use a 5lvl magic,and i lose lot's of drags,so i cannot run at that turn?how can i know he has 5lvl magic at first if
  but who was the right?if the answers agree me than Revelations21 in one week.I will ask Revelations21 for a apologize(seems chinese always TOO weakness, so only can want a  apologize). and i will email deat8,if not ,i will change my mind and play no rules anyway hence .


A yankee? what did I say to you I didnt call you anything.
Yeah I called you a cheater cause you broke the rule you made 2 times!  Other nasty things I said nothing more Vampire and I don't respect you posting lies such as that here just to get your way.  First off we said no 4th as main and you worked solmyr to live level 10 week 2, I asked you and you said you have another main, but it doesn't matter you are fighting most everything with solmyr which is like he is your main.  Yeah i attacked you, you did magic arrow to me and then ran with your fastest creature.  I faught your hero 2 times before that and I did a magic arrow but stayed and died, didn't you wonder why then? Or you just want to wait until it benefits you?  I have no chance to win? are you joking? 4 black dragons is not enough to destroy me you know that. Just so you remember earlier in game you said I would be dead 30 min later cause i wanted to go to sleep and you promise me this so I wait. You didn't even try for me.  Yeah I would rather work this out ourselves then have bad letters to deth8.  
Anyways vampire I want to stay friends and not argue over a little silly game.


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Cheesus
Cheesus


Known Hero
The Untouchable
posted August 08, 2001 04:21 PM

Amen to that Rychen!
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malkia
malkia


Promising
Famous Hero
posted August 08, 2001 07:15 PM

I'll probably never play in TOH - you guys you put soo much new rules - that it's hard to follow.

It's like saying to an graphic artist - you can't draw this, this and this...

What if one player (not player in TOH) over the years he developed a strategy where he uses tricks (even bad) & tips to play the game... And those now in TOH are not allowed (like H&R or using some special hero)...

What if the rules were made so that they satisfy the people who started first the TOH - is this really an HONOUR - limiting the others, because you can't use those strategies.

So I'll be very dissapointed to play game against anyone and - he (she) told me that I broke the rules - and he/she quited. Where's the fun?

Here is one more of my strategies when using H&R against computer or other player (i play hot seats mostly) - He/She is coming to my castle with huge army. I have inside say 30 pegasi and some other supporting army - 100 dendroids - don't have any other army to buy, but have lots of money - lots. And I don't wanna lose that castle - I'm getting about 50000 a day - but I don't wanna lose it. So I start hiring heroes. And putting one pegasi to each one of them. Well first again computer I'm going with "FAKE" heroes - and computer most of the time loses his MAGIC points in order to kill me. On hot seat my opponent probably will not use magic to kill it (well of course CPU is not smart when comes to magic - but people are). But then I'm starting little by little eliminating his army - until I die... Well that's not H&R - because I don't run - but as I'm hearing you guys now - one can say that this is like H&R. What if by chance i got from tavern strong hero with 10+ power and having armageddon or some other very destructive thing. I have to use it. If there is a rule that I can't use it - well then I have less choices to protect the castle - well that's not very much of HONOUR...
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ironmlh
ironmlh


Known Hero
posted August 08, 2001 09:17 PM

RULES

Um, TOH has no rules for game play!

I dont no how many people that have asked to play me in TOH, and then they say `We are using TOH rules right?'  'No 4th, no log and no hit n run?'

I explain to them TOH has no game play Rules like that, i also offer the URL for them to check.  I never here back from those players again.

VAMP_999

Keep it simple...... play with no game play rules...... that way there can be no disputes no disgruntled players and we can all stay friends.

By the way you will become a much more rounded player by using no rules.

I personally only play random maps and do use one rule(although not really a game play rule, more of a situational rule)  if we meet week 1, restart. Really simple, no room for arguement.

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insatiable
insatiable


Supreme Hero
Ultimate N00bidity
posted August 08, 2001 09:56 PM

Run and Run and always run

So...
i got an archangel..meet you..implode you..and flee.
nasty,,really hurts doesnt it?...you lost 4 goldies for 1.500k(or whatever price)
 i agree that's sissyplay..but if someone did that to me i'd say..."mother snower!...you'll drop dead!"..my eyes would turn green and toxic spits would come out of my mouth.
Whining about it?...well..i can see no cheat at that..as well as no manly play.
  Mentioning cheat..how many of you didnt thought of peaking on a unfinished shaved game..OR..making some fake reports so you can boost up your points..

Run from life and life will run from you
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malkia
malkia


Promising
Famous Hero
posted August 08, 2001 10:47 PM

Quote:
So...
i got an archangel..meet you..implode you..and flee.
nasty,,really hurts doesnt it?...you lost 4 goldies for 1.500k(or whatever price)
 i agree that's sissyplay..but if someone did that to me i'd say..."mother snower!...you'll drop dead!"..my eyes would turn green and toxic spits would come out of my mouth.
Whining about it?...well..i can see no cheat at that..as well as no manly play.
  Mentioning cheat..how many of you didnt thought of peaking on a unfinished shaved game..OR..making some fake reports so you can boost up your points..

Run from life and life will run from you


Well cheating is bad, i've never used any of HOMM secrect codes when I was playing single player, and I don't know if in multiplayer they are even allowed.

About fake reports - well - soon or later these guys are caught... and shame on them
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deth8
deth8


Promising
Known Hero
posted August 09, 2001 12:00 AM

insatiable

Thinking is a far cry from doing.  

Also, if people think it too much then the temptation is far greater, and after many games of not doing it you no longer think it.  

Come to think of it.  I thought of it today at a break.  Ya know, I went to sleep instead, came back, had a good time as possible.......and feel good about my playing.

I think it because I see people with no respect for themselves doing dishonorable things that come in to the Honor Council and I think, "Now, if I wanted to be a cheater I would do this or that now."  But, if I am actually playing and having a good time I don't often have those desperate thoughts even come up.

But, it does really bite if you lose a level 7 on something you know you could easily win....but you make a mistake or get moralled on too much.  Easy time to drop, and the honorable don't.

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Defreni
Defreni


Promising
Famous Hero
posted August 09, 2001 12:20 AM

LOL, same ole sheit over again
I just played my first game in a couple of months. Allied.
Due to some strange happenings, well teleport and his ancients getting morale, I lost my main with all his arties. Damn I thought but stayed in the game coz it was an allied game.
Down to provider again, off course they came for my homecastle right after. We agreed to no H&R before the game, but due to some miscalculation I guess the main who beat my main stopped right outside my homecastle.
Well the least I can do, I thought, is to help my ally, so I bought 1000 xp thingy ( I was dungeon) and sents out scout after scout with 7 creatures.
Off course I stay in battle with my scouts as we agreed to no H&R but still manages to kill off 20 orcs before he can even attack my castle.
The morale of this story is that I actually doesnt have a clue as to what H&R means, and if it hadnt been for time limit and my ally getting tired waiting for his turn, I would have kept doing it untill I ran out of money. I didnt and was told that I would have been kicked out af the Bastards tournie if that was what we played. But my opponents (Great guys btw) didnt complain that much about it, and we settled it peacefully.
Just wanted to point out, that what I did had (Imho) nothing to do with H&R, but I found out other ppl perceive it as that.
Guess my point is that H&R is obscure and I find it much better just to play enjoy and have fun.
Btw, after I was beheaded, my ally lost the game narrowly after a titanic struggle 1vs2

Defreni
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jb239
jb239


Famous Hero
posted August 09, 2001 02:08 AM

blablabla

yeah yeah, same ole topic....but referrin to defreni about Ba5tards...we not really that strict, and the no hit and run rule we got refers more to play the game for fun, and strive to win, but you dont need to piss the other person off to do it. if u think somethin u plannin could cause trouble with the other person, u could ask and this way keep problems out.

oh and no need for smart A$$ replies to the "ask" thing...no i dont mean give your whole strategy away, etc, but once inawhile you know deep down what u gonna do may piss someone off. i dunno bout anyone out there, but Id rather lose then win and have other person pissed off...and out of thousands of things you can do ina game, there are a slight few, hit and run being 1 of them, that you know could piss someone off. 1 more thing...when i refer to asking...it mostly means to someone you are closer affiliated to. I.e. a friend, or maybe another ba5tard tourney member since thats what this mostly refers to about.

btw...to me what u did defreni wasnt really bad. u sacraficed a scout to die to do damage. and u didnt run so it couldnt be hit and run (altho itd be pretty annoying if u did it 5 times to kill 2 orcs each time, lol)

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Motorschaaf
Motorschaaf


Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
posted August 09, 2001 04:03 AM

.....still waiting for rematch :O)


It was a great Game Defreni and we are looking forward to the Rematch . .....

...cause I wanna be Captain before Season 3 ends  j/k

That u attacked SL_SP's orcs with magic arrows wasnt the problem...but the 3rd active message was about to show up and i was close to fall asleep

Was one of the best 2o2s i've had , and i played a lot of em. Thx for the great Game

btw. i bet ur ally could have needed the money u spend for killing the orcs


- to the Hit and Run thing : well.....i dont wanna waste my Time with discussin bout this Topic again, i better start a 2o2 now , Defreni r u rdy ?


Motorschaaf

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Revelation
Revelation

Tavern Dweller
posted August 09, 2001 04:06 AM

Its over

Hey, I am asking for this to be taken off, I spoke with vampire and as I knew we could, we came up with something and we are back to friends now , I consider everyone in Toh my friend, and something like this is not worth losing a friend, losing one can be like losing them all.  

So anyways maybe there should be 1 rule, No rules and that should be the toh rule.

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Redstorm_Ent...
Redstorm_Entertainment


Hired Hero
Entertainer
posted August 09, 2001 04:37 AM

Yes, it took you guys long enough to figure that out now go play him again and hit and run him to death with deemer!
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ironmlh
ironmlh


Known Hero
posted August 09, 2001 07:05 AM

rules

UM, again!! Revelation, TOH has no rules regarding game play.

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Defreni
Defreni


Promising
Famous Hero
posted August 09, 2001 10:14 AM

Hehee JB thats how I thought it worked, and as far as I remember I asked Motor, and he said it was ok.
Actually I just wanted to make a point about how u can see things from different perspectives.
And yup Motor well prolly play an allied again, once I get my DSL up and running
And JB great tournie ur running, Ive not seen a member from Bastard tournie yet who I wouldnt play anyday, I just cant play 2 min. Im wayyyy to slow to do that

Defreni
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Titan_888
Titan_888


Known Hero
Wind of Change
posted August 09, 2001 12:44 PM

yeah same old story... but as i read your story.
But somehow i follow your opponent haile. You had only 1 intention with malekith and that was to weaken him enough before your army would die out. That you did in a perfectly sly manner with building malekith to power strenght.
i define it:
Malekith attacks Crag hack: Malekith (hits & malekiths runs)
You see the problem here is that you actually did hit and run to achieve own personal goals. But it the situation was likewise... Crag hack had attacked Malekith... then i would say you had any reason to defend with all possible ways of malekith strength.


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Hi vampire_999,

sorry to hear about that. But I don't think you should post your opponent's name "in the public".

I've had a similar experience last weekend; BfH, he Stronghold, me Rampart... we agreed on "no hit and run".he sorta outplayed me (visited all locations earlier and got middle town (tower))... I built up 2 mains, Malekith and Mephala... his main (Craig Hack) got into the range of Malekith during week 3. He got a "pack" of TBirds and "few" Behemots.. Malekith got 3 green dragons (1 has died in a earlier fight) ,approx. 20 silver pegasi, 14 spellpoints and spellpower 9. Craig's Might stats were far superior (although I couldn't see them) and I took a chance... he got 3 behemots and 15 TBirds

I split pegasi, put them around my dragons.. casted lighting bolt (220 damage) - 1st behemot dead... he casts lighting bolt on my pegasi - 7 dead.. 2nd round.. me casting magic arrow on Behemots... next one dead.. .my pegasi kill the last one. he casts spell on one of my pegasi guards, his tbirds attacking my dragons, killing one, the retalation kills (only) one of his tbirds... beginning of round 3.. so what shall I do? no magic left, his tbirds will kill my dragons.. of course i surrendered. so he started calling me a cheater and insulted me. well, he said he would continue playing, but I didn't want no more (I know exactly what would have happened, even if I won), so I left the game and reported loss (didn't want to get into trouble; since he ouptlayed me I think that's only fair somehow)...

So I learned 2 things:
1) never play this person again
2) demand an exact definition of h&r at beginning of the game (3rd round for attacker, 2nd for defender sounds reasonable to me)

maybe that's the way you should handle that, too

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Titan_888
Titan_888


Known Hero
Wind of Change
posted August 09, 2001 12:53 PM

to defreni, my truly allied forever
Why i always loose when you are around lol j/k
it was a great game indeed, and i think that the hit and run with scouts was a quite clever move from our side. Well, it was to late to be useful but never give up
But the situation was that defreni only attacked with magic arrow and not implosion. thats the whole difference. Defreni eliminated 20 orcs... and used 10000 gold.
GOOD WORK DEFRENI

Great game... great players (defreni, motorshcaaf, SL_SP) hope to fight again soon
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