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Heroes Community > Other Side of the Monitor > Thread: Who Cares About Ecuador?
Thread: Who Cares About Ecuador?
Consis
Consis


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posted April 16, 2005 06:11 PM

Poll Question:
Who Cares About Ecuador?

I. Let's gather some information first:

1. Population 13,212,742 (July 2004 est.)/GDP: purchasing power parity $45.65 billion (2003 est.)

2. Ecuador has substantial petroleum resources, which have accounted for 40% of the country's export earnings and one-fourth of public sector revenues in recent years. ...[]... In March 2000, Ecuadorian Congress approved a series of structural reforms that also provided the framework for the adoption of the US dollar as legal tender. Dollarization stabilized the economy, and growth returned to its pre-crisis levels in the years that followed. ...[]...

3. Religions: Roman Catholic 95%

4. Government type: Republic

5. Political parties and leaders: Concentration of Popular Forces or CFP [Averroes BUCARAM]; Democratic Left or ID [Guillermo LANDAZURI]; National Action Institutional Renewal Party or PRIAN [Alvaro NOBOA]; Pachakutik Movement [Gilberto TALAHUA]; Patriotic Society Party or PSP [Lucio GUTIERREZ Borbua]; Popular Democracy or DP [Dr. Juan Manuel FUERTES]; Popular Democratic Movement or MPD [Gustavo TERAN Acosta]; Radical Alfarista Front or FRA [Fabian ALARCON, director]; Roldosist Party or PRE [Abdala BUCARAM Ortiz, director]; Social Christian Party or PSC [Leon FEBRES CORDERO]; Socialist Party - Broad Front or PS-FA [Victor GRANDA]

6. Political pressure groups and leaders: Confederation of Indigenous Nationalities of Ecuador or CONAIE [Luis MACAS, president]; Coordinator of Social Movements or CMS [F. Napoleon SANTOS]; Federation of Indigenous Evangelists of Ecuador or FEINE [Marco MURILLO, president]; National Federation of Indigenous Afro-Ecuatorianos and Peasants or FENOCIN [Pedro DE LA CRUZ, president]; Popular Front or FP [Luis VILLACIS]

7. Agriculture products: ...[]...blah blah blah

8. Industries: petroleum...[]...

9. Oil production: 421,200 bbl/day (2001 est.)

10. Oil consumption: 129,000 bbl/day (2001 est.)

(**hmm let's see....what is four hundred twenty-one thousand minus one hundred twenty-nine thousand.....292,000 barrels....**)

11. Exports partners: US 42.4%, Colombia 5.7%, Germany 5.6% (2003)

12. Imports partners: US 23.9%, Colombia 12.8%, Venezuela 7.1%, Brazil 6.1%, Chile 4.8%, Japan 4.2% (2003)

13. Currency: US dollar

II. Now let's check today's news:
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Ecuadorian President Lucio Gutierrez declared a state of emergency in the capital city of this Andean Mountain country and dissolved a Supreme Court he and his allies had appointed last winter, saying the unpopular judges were the cause of three days of pot-banging street protests in Quito.

Although they had opposed the court that was stacked by Gutierrez, his political foes immediately labeled its summary dissolution an act of a dictator.

Speaking in a televised address to the nation Friday night with his military high command standing behind him, Gutierrez said he was using the powers granted him by the constitution to dismiss the justices. In explaining their dismissal, he said opposition to their appointments was causing the protests.

Street protests began Wednesday in response to an impromptu suggestion of a local radio station that residents of Quito form a nocturnal pot-banging caravan. They increased in numbers until at least 10,000 people banging pots and sticks and shouting "Get out, Lucio!" were marching in the streets as Gutierrez made his announcement Friday.

Early Saturday morning, the military command went on television to give its implicit support to Gutierrez. Adm. Victor Hug Rosier, head of the armed forces, said the only purpose of the state of emergency was "to recover the order, peace and tranquility lost during the last days."

The state of emergency placed the military in charge of public order and suspended individual rights, including the right to free expression and public assembly. The court crisis was set in motion in November when the former justices sided with opposition politicians in a failed effort to impeach Gutierrez on corruption charges. Gutierrez then assembled a bloc of 52 lawmakers in the 100-seat unicameral congress, which voted in December to remove the judges. Legal experts said the vote ran contrary to Ecuador's constitution.

Gutierrez was elected president in November 2002 after campaigning as a populist, anti-corruption reformer. But his left-leaning constituency soon fell apart after he instituted austerity measures, including cutting subsidies on food and cooking fuel, to satisfy lenders like the International Monetary Fund. Opponents say Gutierrez cut a deal with former President Abdala Bucaram to stack the Supreme Court and clear Bucaram of corruption charges as payback for key votes Bucaram's political party provided last year blocking the impeachment drive against Gutierrez in congress.

III. Now I Ask You Again, Who Cares About Ecuador:
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Responses:
American Citizens
President George W. Bush
American Oil Companies
American Republican Christian Conservatives
All of the Above(United States of America)
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IYY
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posted April 17, 2005 03:41 AM

By the amount of replies to this thread, I'd say nobody cares about it.
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terje_the_mad_wizard


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posted April 17, 2005 09:58 PM

I'd say that the IMF doesn't much care, so long as their corporate masters are making money, but that isn't exactly a surprise, so...

What caught my attention, though, was this:
Quote:
In March 2000, Ecuadorian Congress approved a series of structural reforms that also provided the framework for the adoption of the US dollar as legal tender. Dollarization stabilized the economy, and growth returned to its pre-crisis levels in the years that followed.

Hmm, this "dollarization" seems kinda like a return to the old gold standard of the pre-WWI global economy...
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Consis
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posted April 18, 2005 06:13 AM

terje_the_mad_wizard,

A question:

Why does a nation take such great lengths to personalize its own currency?
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posted April 18, 2005 06:09 PM

Sorry, Consis, but I do not understand your question...

Personalize its currency? Do you mean, why do "every" state have its own currency? I guess it's just part tradition - history and all that - and part economic reasons, since separate states have separate economies, they need something in which those differences in the economies is made clear/manifest?

This is all just speculating, though...
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posted April 18, 2005 06:34 PM

I'm!

There are a great soccer player call it "Alex Aguinaga", the man was the symbol of my favourite mexican soccer team necaxa
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Consis
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posted April 18, 2005 07:16 PM
Edited By: Consis on 18 Apr 2005

My Point Is...

National currency is not only a means for common trade within a country, but also a form of national expression and identity. On each piece of marked currency for almost every sovereign nation you can find faces, symbols, and philosophies that represent the people who give the currency its real value.

A dollar is only a piece of paper without the American economy to back it up with real value. The same can be said of the Mexican peso, Brazilian real, Bolivian boliviano, etc. Another part of the value is technology, gold standard, industrial production, etc. All of these values are defined by what the people make it to be.

Ecuadorians have no national currency with which to be proud of and reflect true Ecuadorian history and legacy. National identity is very important for people especially during very hard times. Their negotiable currency in trade is not using proper representation of the Ecuadorian peoples who give their economy its real value. Proper representation is important because it can actually strengthen the country's basic labor force. In order to properly represent these laborers, a currency must reflect their daily sacrifices(i.e. the will of the people). To use a foreign currency as their own does not recognize the importance of the people who give the currency its real value. This is a recipe for economic collapse and/or economic revolt. Only the people can make an economy strong. These people must be openly praised and recognized for their hard work and sacrifice on a national level representing a greater unity. This is all for the common good of keeping a nation together and strong.

This is my own opinion of course.
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Defreni
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posted April 20, 2005 05:39 PM

Well the main reason why every country has its own currency, is basically to be masters in their own house.
For instance in Equadors case, the adoption of the US $ as currency means that it is not themselves that decides upon fiscal policies, but the US treasury. This in reality means that a country is only semi-independent.
Kinda like the French Franc union in West-Africa.

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Consis
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posted April 20, 2005 06:19 PM

Defreni,

I agree. Ecuador deserves its full independence. The Ecuadorian peoples must rise up and stand for what they believe is most important. After this, their future can be self-determined through liberty and freedom. It is the inherent right of any sovereignty. But again, only if the people themselves make it so...
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posted April 21, 2005 05:29 AM

Actually its not very tragic if the country doesnt have a national currency. the biggest advantage with national currencies is to boost nationalism. Its true what defreni said about controling fiscal policies, but the US can only control the policy with the $, not specifically the ecuadorian economy. it could indirectly, but since ecuador is too small, the US wont even take notice.
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Consis
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posted April 21, 2005 06:33 AM

My Point:

My reason for making this thread is to support the claim, made by many Heroes Community members, that America has an empire. The Ecuador details tend to describe a modern version of a capitolist colony. The people themselves are not under American law but the country's economy is. Does everyone understand why I started this thread now? Ecuador is one of many proofs that show America does indeed act like an empire, but under a new definition where peoples are held by an economic yolk or cradle instead of culture/people itself. The culture is left intact and the people left to govern while the national economy remains heavily influenced by foreign(American) interests; to the point where the people don't actually hold control over their own economy.
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posted April 21, 2005 12:33 PM

The fuel companies are the ones who care. The fuel prices worldwide are rising over 1.15 Australian dollars and this may reduce the fuel prices.
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posted April 21, 2005 07:00 PM

Reduce gasoline prices? Are you mad? They should be doubled, or even tripled some places!
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My reason for making this thread is to support the claim, made by many Heroes Community members, that America has an empire.

Actually, I've found a funny paralell to support this view, and when I have better time sometime, I will come back and share it with you.
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posted November 27, 2006 03:48 PM
Edited by Consis at 15:55, 27 Nov 2006.

Does Anyone Truly Care . . .

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(**copied from CNN website**)

Leftist nationalist Rafael Correa, a friend of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, defeated a pro-U.S. banana tycoon in Sunday's presidential election, according to an unofficial quick count of sample votes. The quick count gave Correa 56.9%  of the vote compared to 43.1% for Alvaro Noboa.

The citizens election watchdog group Participacion Ciudadana conducted the count based on sample votes from 1,607 voting stations that reflected the voting in 80% of Ecuadorian territory. In all there were more than 36,000 voting stations. The group said the margin of error for the count was less than 1%.

Correa sounded confident of his victory at a news conference after the count was announced: "We receive this very high honor that the Ecuadorian people have bestowed on us with profound serenity, with profound hope," he told reporters. Correa is a leftist, U.S.-trained economist who pledged radical reforms to clean up corruption. He has called President Bush "dimwitted" and is a friend of anti-U.S. President Hugo Chavez whose tirades about Bush have included calling the U.S. president the "devil." He served just 106 days last year as finance minister under interim President Alfredo Palacio, who replaced Lucio Gutierrez in the midst of street protests in April 2005. Correa rattled investors by threatening to reduce payments on Ecuador's $16.1 billion foreign debt, which could shift the nation into the leftist camp with Chavez who is seeking to extend his influence throughout South America.

~"Lesser of two evils"~
The officially declared winner of the tight race will face the tough task of ruling this poor, politically unstable Andean nation, which has had eight presidents since 1996, including three who were driven from office by street protests.

Known as Ecuador's wealthiest man, billionaire Naboa (56-year-banana baron) often rubbed shoulders with America's rich and powerful. A deeply religious man, Noboa's campaign speeches were often laced with references to God. It was his third run for the presidency. Ecuador is an oil-exporting country, but three-quarters of its 13.4 million inhabitants live in poverty, and Noboa had directed much of his campaign to them.

"I'm voting for Correa because he's the lesser of two evils and because he represents a new option," Georgina Cornejo said Sunday. The 59-year-old housewife waited to vote in a middle-class suburb on Quito's south side. "We're hoping he doesn't let us down."

In the coastal city of Guayaquil, Noboa's stronghold, Arnulfo Napoleon, a 50-year-old security guard voting at a school in a poor neighborhood, said his vote was going to Noboa. "He's lost two elections. It's time he win so that he can help the neediest as he has been up to now giving away so many things," he said. The election ends a vigorous fight for the country's highest office. Noboa crisscrossed Ecuador from its Pacific coast to the Andes and eastward to the Amazon jungle, handing out computers, medicine and money. He promised to build 300,000 low-cost homes in a year, finance them through government bonds, and create jobs by persuading his rich foreign friends to invest in Ecuador.

Correa pledged to construct 100,000 low-cost homes. He also copied Noboa's promise to double to $36 a "poverty bonus" that 1.2 million poor Ecuadorians receive each month. Earlier Sunday, Correa said he was concerned that his opponent might try to commit fraud, including having ballots switched as they are moved from voting stations to election tribunal offices for counting. "No one should try to buy votes in the lines. Buying or selling your vote can land you in jail," he told reporters over breakfast Sunday at his home in an upper-middle-class neighborhood in Quito.

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Trogdor
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posted November 28, 2006 12:05 PM

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Reduce gasoline prices? Are you mad? They should be doubled, or even tripled some places!


Mad? Terje, you're the one is mad. Your support of higher prices to be paid at the pump will only to the capitalists backing you up. They're only raising the price of fuel for the tax dollars, that's how it works in Australia, but America pay more for the fuel than the tax.
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posted November 28, 2006 12:36 PM

The increase in fuel costs isn't that bad, in a way.

Running out of fuel isn't a problem that we need to worry about. We should worry about burning it and all that, but running out of it isn't a major concern.



There's still plenty of oil left in the world, it's just hard to extract (and expensive), like in Russia. At the old prices, people can work out the cost vs the price of oil and see that it's just not worth it. But now with people paying a fortune for a barrel, it's starting to look more like a better idea.

There we go, more oil, prices go back down.

But then when we start to question the reasoning behind oil as fuel and start seeing money in other, cheaper alternatives that they avoided earlier because they are expensive to create and research.

It's all about making money. Not enough people want to do anything unless they're getting paid, not enough to make any real difference. So people have to selfishly WANT to make this world a better place, and I think the raise in oil prices is doing that.
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posted November 29, 2006 07:15 AM

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The increase in fuel costs isn't that bad, in a way.

Running out of fuel isn't a problem that we need to worry about. We should worry about burning it and all that, but running out of it isn't a major concern.



There's still plenty of oil left in the world, it's just hard to extract (and expensive), like in Russia. At the old prices, people can work out the cost vs the price of oil and see that it's just not worth it. But now with people paying a fortune for a barrel, it's starting to look more like a better idea.

There we go, more oil, prices go back down.

But then when we start to question the reasoning behind oil as fuel and start seeing money in other, cheaper alternatives that they avoided earlier because they are expensive to create and research.

It's all about making money. Not enough people want to do anything unless they're getting paid, not enough to make any real difference. So people have to selfishly WANT to make this world a better place, and I think the raise in oil prices is doing that.


It's not because of running out of oil, but rather taxes on oil prices.
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posted November 29, 2006 08:12 PM

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Government type: Republic


Enough said right there.  

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