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angelito
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posted July 13, 2005 09:32 PM |
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How to fight Full Conservatory week 2
After some talking in the zone yesterday about fighting full conservatory week 2 (archdevil_666 was / is a master in doing such things i heard), i decided to put some pics here how to do that with 3 Archangels and 6 single pikes on grass terrain. I´m not experienced in too much templates, but i guess on 130%, u should be able to have 3 Archangels week 2...not at day 1 perhaps...but day 5 or 6.
I have chosen Valeska as hero (u won´t get Taz or Crag all the time.. ) and gave her adv. offense and adv. armorer. The log skill was only given coz i placed 15 cons in a row on the testing map, so she would be able to "check" all cons on one day.
I think her stats should be ok for end of week 2.
She has NO magic skill, to make it as hard as possible refering to spellcasting.
Her availabe spells are: slow, shield, cure.
I didn´t made a pic of every turn, but i think it´s possible to see how the fight went. And the pic were named after the fight, so the round numbers should not be correct.
Here u can see Valeska before entering the cons.
This is the start of round 1. First important decision to make here, casting slow or shield?. I casted slow on the top right stack and not shield. Why not shield? Coz i have spellpower 5, and i need shield when i will get attacked by more than 1 stack, and that won´t happen round 1..
Here u see start of turn 2. Casted shield on AA´s and waited. Why? Coz the royals will go for the pike for sure, and only the top left stack will reach me and attack. Royals attacked pikes, top stack attacked me and then i attacked one of the middle stacks. At that time, i have 3 stacks with 24 griffs and 2 stacks with 40. Next turn, slow on one of the 40 griffs and attack royals from the top, royals attack me and the are dead.
At this turn or the next, i got moral (got 2 morals in the whole fight, should be pretty normal, especially when u see hero has NO leadership...only AA´s speciality), so i could attack the faster 40 griffs, which reduced them down to 24 also....Now cure is all u need every turn...till turn 7, where shield is gone.
This is the start of round 4 or 5...as mentioned..i didn´t press "print screen" every turn....so i´m not really sure. This was the second moral (griffs moraled also 2 or 3 times if i remember correct), coz at the end of past turn, my AA´s were placed on the top row right of the 8 griffs u can see here. They attacked me last turn, and the retaliation brought them down from 24 to 8. Why did i place the AA´s on the middle left now? If u count the hexes, u will notice, only the 24 non-slowed stack can reach and attack me, which is exactly what i want. They also will be down to 8 then.
Means, 2 stack of 8´s, 1 of 24 and 1 of 40 is left. The bigger ones are all slowed.
This should be round 6, coz u can see "shield" is still active on the AA´s. And the system is always the same, cast cure at the start of each round, and then try to reach a hex, where only 1 of the griff stacks can reach ya and then retaliate. NEVER try to attack a stack at that point, coz then at least 2 or even 3 stacks could reach ya and u will loose an AA for sure....make your damage with retaliation only!
This is round 8 i guess. AA´s placed with the tactic i mentioned above.
Round 9, only 2 stacks with 8 griffs each left, but i ran out of spellpoints, so no cure possible anymore, and u can see my reduced hitpoints on the next pic....was close...
42 hp left....but 1 full stack of 40 griffs did about 50 damage...so u can calculate pretty well.....only moral could crush your plans..
And here is the final message after the fight. 6 pikes is a low prize for 4 angels..
If u are afraid of too much moral, then i suggest you don´t take 6 single pikes, but 6 single griffs with you. They will help ya to distract the unupgraded griffs better, so they wont "hoard" in one area, but will be splitted over the battlefield...makes it much easier for the AA´s though.
And when u got expert slow instead, then i´m pretty sure u know yourself how much easier the fight will be...
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2XtremeToTake
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posted July 13, 2005 10:02 PM |
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stupid question, how do you get archangels week 2?!
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Plexus22
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posted July 14, 2005 12:16 AM |
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Nice tactic Angel. Thx for sharing. I think though, that even on Jebus template it would be very hard to have 3 Archangels anytime in week 2 unless there was a hillfort around or if player went only for angel upgrade first before any other upgrades and before even building any money buildings.
BTW, why does the screen shot showing archangels final hit points show that archangels still have shield spell in effect? Just wondering
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angelito
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posted July 14, 2005 12:50 AM |
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I guess i casted shield instead of cure with my last hitpoints in round 7 or 8...that´s why...
And if u don´t have Archangels latest day 4 week 2 on jebus template, u can be sure u r doing something wrong..
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lkru33
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posted July 14, 2005 01:18 AM |
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Angel, this is great!!  Thanks for sharing your tactics. This is very useful info.
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zsa
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posted July 14, 2005 02:08 AM |
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well I don't mean to sound a dick, but the only thing i'm impressed with is the fact that you had archangels week 2.
Last game I started with castle, I barely got to angels week 1. I mean I had to do some mad chaining and crypt raids to be able to put angels week 1 (without castle).
Sometimes I get to angels easely, but sometimes I really gotta squeeze my butcheeks to make that portal of glory suddenly appear above my castle week 1.
I'm not discussing the merits of the strat (if that's what it's called). But you shoulda just named it "How to hit full conservatories week 2 on Jeebus " (and since from what I hear everyone plays castle on that pitiful template, you don't even have to mention it).
If any new player sees this they're gonna think archangels week 2 is really something you can always pull off.
Now if anyone got offended by this post, I really don't care, but it shouldn't, since I didn't mean it as an attack.
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2XtremeToTake
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posted July 14, 2005 02:38 AM |
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The only 7th level creatures i can get to easily by week 1 is Hydras, Behomeths, and Titans...
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tigris
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posted July 14, 2005 06:49 AM |
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Edited By: tigris on 14 Jul 2005
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2 X
Even in theory,giants are only possible to be build without castle and citadel.This sucks cos you'll have half the army week 2.So basically it's much better to have nagas with castle(or citadel) than to have them week 1.
Zsa
I don't really agree with the fact that angels week 1 are only possible with Jebus template.BB and even Extreme allows that also sometimes.It all depends on the map(for these 2 templates it's the strength of the blocks to the secondary areas that counts most).
I reckon the reason Angelito posted this is because of a discussion that sparked tuesday on the zone regarding this exact subject:Week 2 full cons on Jebus template.Many players do lose much more in such a situation, cos eigher they bring too much army in(champions&crusaders too) or they simply don't fight the fight right(u noticed there are some tricks about it i.e waiting with AA round 2 and avoiding to be hit with too many stacks in one round).
I'm not sure about it, but i'd reckon that with mass slow/exp cure and a slightly more powerfull hero, 6 champs and some fodder could be able to pull this off aswell.(one will go for cavs&castle week 1 if not enough resources for angels).Maybe a full cons may cost you a champion though, but a 150 griffin one is very possible to be done without losses.(only fodders)
@edit: too bad the pics are missing already 
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2XtremeToTake
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posted July 14, 2005 06:50 AM |
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where can i get these Jebus and Extreme maps and such?
edit: Angelito, your pic hosting sux - Pic-host.com is much more reliable
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zhukaSS
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posted July 14, 2005 07:59 AM |
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where can i get these Jebus and Extreme maps and such?
its not maps, its random map templates, you can find them in WW(www.wizardsandwarriors.com) site I guess, not sure about toh.
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angelito
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posted July 14, 2005 10:34 AM |
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Hmmm...pics are gone after 1 day already....was my first try posting pics from a free web server, and it seems it didn´t work well. 2xtreme gave me a new and better link. so i will refresh my post today evening.
Sure some guys will ask how to get Archangels week2, but as mentioned by Tigris already, the starting discussion was about Jebus, where a guy broke week 2 into opponents area and took a full cons there.
But my point was not the week 2 thing, but the 3 Archangels. So when u play a different and more difficult template, make it week 3, but still u won´t need more than these 3 Archangels to do that fight.
But for the matter of fact, jebus template is played very much nowadays, i guess newer players will have better chances against more skilled players, coz now they know they can take that cons as well.
As mentioned in other threads already, the biggest advantage of better players is their knowledge about the strength of their army...nothing else. When u know what u can fight, then u will do it without a doubt...and your clearing will be faster...and your break aswell.
And for the point, Behemots and Hydras are easier to build in week 1. When you have 3 Chaoshydras week 2, this fight can be done half asleep...just try it...
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Gidebar
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posted July 14, 2005 10:44 PM |
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id take a stack with me that can be ressed by the AA at the end, should make things easier. Should be a fast one thou
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zsa
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posted July 14, 2005 11:11 PM |
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Yah angelito, I did take full cons with 3 chaos hydras before.
And I knew there was going to be somebody telling me you can get angels week 1  . I know you can tigris, I've had situations myself where i had 3 archangels week 2 around day 5-6, I'm not saying it can't be done (if you read my post).
Well, ok, but you can't really expect me to know what you guys talked about on the zone now do ya?
Also, I'd be pretty afraid of morale on griffins on that situation to be honest. I know 4 angels for one archangel + exp is a good trade, but you could avoid losing that by either bringing some gryphons instead of pikes (or other faster or as fast units) like already mendioned.
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zsa
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posted July 16, 2005 09:10 PM |
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as Zsa says: this is a thing only bad players would do, not taking any fodder with them and only 3 archangels...
if the griffins morale a lot and your archs dont you will be lost, no matter what your genious plan may be.
I guess angelito is, after all, a NOOB
well I didn't say it like that, but yah andi, you're right. It would be foolish to hit a full cons with that.
If you have anything like mass slow or some blind and a cape of conjuring + spell points than that's a different matter. But with what angelito presented, I wouldn't personally risk the cons like that.
I've had situations where enemy units got morale like 3-4 times in a battle, so it's not like it's not gonna happen.
And with 5 stacks and a couple of turns before you bring them down, I would be suprised if the griffins didn't get morale at least once.
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angelito
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posted July 16, 2005 09:20 PM |
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Some guys will never get it i think...
Ok...i will tell it again....veeeeeryyyy sloooowlyyy...so it is easier to understand for some who have problems with fast speaking / writing
The question was :
Can u take a full cons week 2 with 3 Archangels ?
Only this statement had to be proven here...nothing else....but with much more army and much more fodder, even Slayer noobs could take that cons...there is nothing special about that..
Edit: changed "crypt" to "cons"...
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zsa
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posted July 16, 2005 09:34 PM |
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Edited By: zsa on 17 Jul 2005
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Ok...i will tell it again....veeeeeryyyy sloooowlyyy...so it is easier to understand for some who have problems with fast speaking / writing
The question was :
Can u take a full crypt week 2 with 3 Archangels ?
haha, I think i can take a full crypt with 3 archangels. I don't know tho, those 20 walking dead really deal a lot of damage. Haha, you really set yourself up for this one, rofl 
And i'm sorry about this, but last time I fukin checked this thread was called how to take full cons week 2. Not "proof that you can take full cons week 2 with 3 archangels - not to be debated"
Last time I checked this was the strategy forum. And the only thread around that even resembles strategy, you can't even post ideas or flaws of a tactic.
I'm gonna go then post in the other intelligent threads, and try to explain why the pitlord scratches his ass or why the centaurs left the warlock town for rampart.
I mean Jesus, no wonder xarfax went bananas, look at this place. Highlights of this forum are why does the pegasus comes out of an enchanted spring, common...
Just have the decency to name your threads right, and rename the forums. It isn't library of enlightment... more like library of idiots
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angelito
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posted July 16, 2005 10:44 PM |
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Wow...how can someone turn crazy like that coz of a typo?
You really should calm down and take a cold shower...
And the same warning for you as for Sir-Stiven last time....edit your post and spell my name correct...u have 1 day to do so....
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Ruho
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posted August 22, 2005 04:50 PM |
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Edited By: Ruho on 12 Sep 2005
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And for the point, Behemots and Hydras are easier to build in week 1. When you have 3 Chaoshydras week 2, this fight can be done half asleep...just try it...
Umm, err... I am a bit embarrassed to admit this, but I couldn't do the fight (full Cons.) with an equal hero and 3 CH + 6 single Gnolls w/o losing any CHs.
It starts well, when u attack always the last group. But everytime somwehere during the battle it happens that Griffins wait, last stack attacks and after that the others just slay the CHs (Well, at least kill 1).
Anyone?
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posted September 12, 2005 09:44 PM |
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angelito you can try http://www.imageshack.us
I upload some pics years ago and they still online also is free
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angelito
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posted September 21, 2005 04:30 PM |
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edit: Angelito, your pic hosting sux - Pic-host.com is much more reliable
Yeah...did that...now see what happened...lol...
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