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wizardboy
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posted February 04, 2002 08:25 AM |
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I believe the correct name for a ninja dart is SHURIKEN.
thankyou..that was eactly th word i was looking for....
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Aerial
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posted February 04, 2002 08:36 AM |
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;0)
You re welcome
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Gangrail
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posted October 24, 2002 09:28 AM |
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LOL I can't choose between the two because I like them both!
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posted October 25, 2002 06:53 PM |
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Your all totaly off. I dont look down upon you because of this. You just dont have the proper info.
Visit RealUltimatePower to be properly informed.
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Asmodean
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posted May 27, 2004 12:09 AM |
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Ninjas. Definetly Ninjas would win.
1- they're cooler
2- they were often used to assassinate the heads of various japanese clans, who just happened to be samurais
3- they're cooler
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Vadskye91
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posted May 27, 2004 03:03 PM |
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4. They are stealthy and the samurai wouldn't know they're there.
5. They're cooler.
6. They have about a jillion tools ( see this site: http://www.entertheninja.com/history.shtml)
7. They're cooler.
And so on...
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Lord_Woock
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posted May 27, 2004 03:09 PM |
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They had no respect.
If you don't have respect, you don't have anything.
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Drizzit
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posted July 06, 2004 03:24 PM |
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What are you guys on about?
Ok lets get our heads out of the fantasy clouds here people, and lets get what we know about both of the classes of Samurai and the late Ninja.
Now we all know that Samurai were great warriors who fought for noble and powerful families to get land in Japan. Later some moved to China to work as merc's, but anyway. Ninja were not introduced, as it were, into the life of medievil people until near the end of the reign of the Samurai. So here we go,
Samurai use a 'Katana' most of the time and they use body armour. Thats east enough, but they also wear a 'Kimoto' under this. Their manouverability decreases when they wear armour but many suits of armour have been made to move with the body of the Samurai. This only happened when the Emperor of Japan or his military advisors went to war with the Samurai. Now the 'Katana' is a long sword for two handed use and is expertly used by Samurai. Now here is one advantage that Samurai have over the Ninja already. The length of the sword will stop any Ninja being able to get close to the body of the Samurai easily. And of course the armour is also good for defence if this happens. The Samurai also have what is commonly known as a 'Suicide Dagger' for when they see defeat. Now this dagger is also a weapon for close contact when their enemies dis-arm them or get past their Katana. The foot wear of the Samurai allows them to move fast and make little sound when moving.
Now we all have to also take into account the fact that, Samurai have been out longer than Ninja's and so their skill and power surpasses that of any new Ninja. The only problem with this is that they would not be used to the fighting style of the Ninja which would equal out their battle advantages.
Now the Ninja, as most would guess, originated in Japan. This is true to the fact that they were used mostly in China and asis before they moved to Japan and were recognised for it. Ninja are the olden day version of the Special ops or the Marines. They are hired mercenaries, and were first used when Warlords decided that to take over lands easily they would send an assassin to kill their enemy king or leader. The Ninja carry everything and anything that they can use. From claws attached to thier hands to short swords and bows etc. They also use darts and throwing stars. This use of stationary can have an advantage over the Samurai at ranges and even close combat. But their oen disadvantage is the clothing that they wore. Usually black and skin tight clothing that offered , as had been said, little defence. But the advantage of this clothing is that it moves perfectly with the body. The foot wear that they used was also very quiet and allowed them to move and climb easily. Now if it came to a dark night and an attack from range there is the possibly that a Ninja would kill a Samurai easily. On the open battlefield, not as much.
Now here is a history lesson, when the Ninja were first used on Samurai they really gave them a beating. But the Samurai learned the style of the Ninja and soon kick snow the snow out of them. So basically the Samurai arose the dominant force between the two. Now the Samurai were in greater numbers than the Ninja due to Ninja being mercs and all of the rest of that. So if a Ninja went up against a Samurai in battle the Samurai would have a better chance of winning than the Ninja. This has been proven through history.
How do i know all of this? My fater is a third band black belt in Ninjitsu and has always preached to me the history of Samurai and Ninja.
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Drizzit Do'Urden
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barbarian
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posted July 09, 2004 11:07 PM |
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ninjas sux  what do they already got ?
all they do all day is hide and when their enemies are looking the other way they throw an iron star at them that ain't living .
now samuries got it right they fight evil they don't assasinate good guys for money in a cowardly way they go find evil face it and kill it now that's a life .
in a fight justie always prevails fantasy is like that 2 u know .
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ConanAmra
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posted August 15, 2005 08:43 AM |
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Its good to know that there are some people like drizzit knowing more about samurais and ninjas,because i know a lot about them too.Drizzit had said most of it and all the important,only what i can say to this that i would be happier when the samurai would win.I prefer people with honor and for open fair fight.
I despite people attacking from the back and stealthy,i call such people cowards and people without honor.So like the ninja.But everyone is other and not the same so we must respect each other.
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TitaniumAlloy
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posted August 17, 2005 05:16 PM |
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Well it does depend on the situation completely.
The ninja are generally assassins around the time of Sengoku, (the age of a nation at war, ie. Medieval Japan) expets at being fast, silent and deadly. They work for money and usually have no lord. The weapons mentioned earlier aren't actually that effective against samurai. The shuriken were used as a distraction, not a weapon, much like the boomerang. The samurai armour would protect them against alot, but a good ole slash to the neck of an unsuspecting victim can't be stopped by a funny helmet or chespiece.
The samurai is a skilled warrior of the two swords in the same era, who wears heavy armour, carries two swords and possibly a ranged weapon, and follows a strict code. They are very honourable and loyal, and would rather kill themselves than face shameful defeat or betray their masters.
If a ninja wanted to kill a samurai, it could and most probably would, because it would sneak into the samurai's castle or camp under cover of knight and kill him. But then, if a samurai needed to kill a ninja he probably could too, because he would attack him so that they were in a one on one fight, and the samurai in this situation would win every time because of his training and armour. I think that the ninja is probably more *stronger* in a "which do you prefer" kind of view because they can assassinate whosoever they please whereas the samurai would have to get the ninja into the right circumstance.
But a ronin is another thing altogether. A ronin is a samurai with no master, and is closer to a ninja. They are not in any clan, don't follow any shoguns. They still have the same training, but don't follow the strict code of the bushido. For this reason I think that they are stronger than the samurai because they can make their own decisions more often. I think that a ronin is up there with the ninja, as he would not have to have his warlord's consent to attack the ninja etc.
But I think that, overall, the winner would be 'The New Guns.' Just watch The Last Samurai
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ConanAmra
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posted August 18, 2005 07:55 AM |
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It was beautiful movie,pity that arent at this time samurais walking among us like in that time.
If you would choose to be ronin or samurai what would you choose?Because ronins were mainly bandits and they were terrorising local inhabitants.But to be some samurai it would be harder.But i still think that samurai would win.And ronin also,it really depends on situation.
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Tomas775
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posted November 08, 2005 06:22 AM |
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Resolution
no idea how i got into this but the only reason a ninja would encounter a samurai is if the ninja was on a mission to assassinate the samurai in which case he would in a dishonorable way probalby like slashing him while he sleeps. But in a real fight ninja's do have lots of tricks up their sleeve even if the samurai was armored he might win as ninjas have about twenty martial arts forms they learn which include armor fighting, sword fighting, "ninja stars" throwing, and a whole lot of other things like knife fighting. The comparing a samurai to a ninja wouldn't be fair cuz samurai are more efficient in a battle and are trained to fight multiple targets and ninjas kill one target(usually one) without thought or reasoning like they're trained to do. And in a fist fight ninjas would probably also win because they were also dishonorable at those. For example about a third of the moves in the fight sequence involve hitting the guy in the nuts and in the sequence the first thing u do is throw sand in his eyes. Ninja masters learned to stop people's hearts by hitting them in the nuts hehe.
Pardon my crappy typemanship or whatever.
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TitaniumAlloy
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posted November 08, 2005 09:18 AM |
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Ah this thread again.
I think that the most common untruths found in these arguments are that the Samurai and the Ninja have both been glorified greatly.
Not all samurai are unnaturally skillful, they are the higher class of soldier but they are just soldiers.
And the ninja's throwing star (shuriken) was rarely used as a weapon, and when it was they were coated in poison to kill, they don't really go all the way through you and rip your heart out like in the movies. They were mainly used to slow down or distract their pursuers.
But this is like asking who would win in a fight today, a hitman or an army infantry... it's not really logical.
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Russ
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posted November 08, 2005 04:42 PM |
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Ninjas. Definetly Ninjas would win.
1- they're cooler
2- they were often used to assassinate the heads of various japanese clans, who just happened to be samurais
3- they're cooler
Very true.
Samurai were bound by the code of honor, even on the battlefields where "everything goes" they were supposed to chose an opponent of equal skill and fight him to the death.
Ninjas on the other hand, are asassins. They were not bound by the same code of honor. Their goal was not to fight with honor. Their goal was to kill their target. They run when the fight is anywhere close to equal (i.e. not one-sided in Ninja's favour). They hide and they wait for the right moment to attack. Such as sneaking in their enemy's house and killing him in his sleep. Aside from all those tricks they were still trained warriors and could potentially fight samurai in the open if they had no other choice. That is what their anti-sword weapons were for.
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Evil_Warrior
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posted January 18, 2006 03:51 PM |
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Ninja will defeat the samurai with many ranged weapons (ex. shuriken) and their extreme speed. speed is one of beneficial defense. maybe better than defense.
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dkolb
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posted February 02, 2006 11:34 PM |
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I'd say the Samarai would win if he knew where the ninja was but the ninja would win if he got the first strike.
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Consis
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posted February 03, 2006 02:38 AM |
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What The?!
Why haven't I posted in this thread yet? Whose job was it to tell me of its existence?
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Evil_Warrior
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posted February 03, 2006 05:52 PM |
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I'd say the Samarai would win if he knew where the ninja was but the ninja would win if he got the first strike.
Although Samurai know where Ninja is, he can't follow Ninja's speed!
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Kashimir
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posted February 04, 2006 01:25 PM |
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"rogue" samurai wins em all 
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