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gwyndolium
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posted February 12, 2006 08:11 PM |
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I think indeed that there may only be smoked at his/her own house. And nowhere else, not outside not anywhere except home. Have no problems with that.
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Nebuka
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posted February 12, 2006 08:52 PM |
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Poor Nebuka getting manhandled here just because he is the only representative so far of the smokers in the Community. 
It is hard to try and make a good point when you know deep inside that what you are saying is very very wrong.
But I guess it is just what the smokers tend to do, to convince themselves that smoking is cool, a great hobby and absolutly not health damaging.
Reading is cool.
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Consis
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posted February 12, 2006 09:46 PM |
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Hmm . . .
I'm with Nebuka all the way on this one. I think he posts with a great deal of logic and reason. There is wisdom to be gained from his words.
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Zsa
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posted February 13, 2006 12:18 AM |
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*takes the peace pipe - passes it to nebuka*
I do agree that smoking in restaurants and such should be banned, and that smoking does smell.
The after effect of smoking smells like soot would smell from a fire place or camp fire that was not properly ventilated. It certainly doesn't smell like chlorine or ammonia but I do agree that it's not necessarily a pleasant smell + nonsmokers automatically associate it with smoking and consider it disgusting.
Also I think it's a bit harsh to hate people just because they smoke. I mean I think religion is bogus, and all the people believing in religion are being duped, that don't mean I hate them for that.
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Lith-Maethor
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posted February 13, 2006 06:18 AM |
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um... zsa...
i don't think anyone here said non-smokers (should) hate smokers...
they have every right to smoke and enjoy it (and lets face it, poison themselves) ...but when by doing this they force the smoke in my lungs, you can bet i will start taking heads
its the attitude of some smokers, who find this a trivial matter, that makes most of us non-smokers a bit... touchy
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posted February 13, 2006 08:50 AM |
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So many different tastes, or just our imagination
One other thing I don't get is that there are so many brands of cigarretes, all have different prices on them and as the smokers say "a different taste"?
Huh?! Can you really make out the taste of burned tobacco leaves? I mean what the **** should it taste like? And ofcourse all smokers have their individual brand chosen for themselves, so when lets say "Jack" a poor ordinary smoker somehow runs out of his precious cigarretes, he ofcourse looks for people to give him theirs to smoke again till he can aquire some more of his brand later.
But! The bastards give him some other cigarrete brand, cheaper than he smokes by almost a half!!! So he makes a sour face but says thanks anyway and prepares to smoke, with the first puff of smoke he makes such an unsatisfied face that I never seen anyone make, and turns to me and says "Yuck what the hell is this?"
I say "Its a ciggarete, do you smoke or I do?"
"Jack" says "My cigarrete brand is tasty but this one is disgusting."
What!? To me burned leaves will always be burned leaves but to smokers its like an icecream shop with 101 flavours? I still don't get it...
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Lith-Maethor
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posted February 13, 2006 09:02 AM |
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hehehe
sometimes the taste is indeed different, to the point where even i can pick this just by the smoke ...and sometimes its all in the head of the smoker ...depends greatly on what each company puts in
but yeah, in general smokers will be able to tell the subtle differences way before any non-smoker can... same way we can smell smokers long before they do... strange isn't it?
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posted February 13, 2006 02:35 PM |
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One other thing I don't get is that there are so many brands of cigarretes, all have different prices on them and as the smokers say "a different taste"?
Huh?! Can you really make out the taste of burned tobacco leaves?....
There have been made many investigations about smokers and "their" brand. More than 80% of all the test persons have not been able to figure out their favorite brand out of 10 different cigarettes (Known brands, no rare stuff)
You can try that for yourself...i did that when i was still smoking (Benson&Hedges was my brand) and was not able to find it.
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posted February 13, 2006 02:36 PM |
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Now for some nice smoking cartoons :
So no smoking while surfing at HC! 
Does Bruce Willis even smoke?
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posted February 15, 2006 05:00 PM |
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Yay, today my dad went to one of them electric shock thingies that are supposed to effectively discourage smoking. A success with this kind of thing has been reported in my family, so I'm happy, since my dad had been smoking for as long as I remember. My home will probably be nicotine-free at last
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posted May 19, 2006 10:13 AM |
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I gave in for just a puff...
@REVIVED!
If anyone of you read my post at the downhill times thread you probably gotten already some idea about what I was going through in the last 2 days. But what I didn't mention is that while feeling as down (upset not groovy or funky) as I have ever was in my short life people tried seducing me with cigarrets everywhere I went.
I said that I do not get any kick out of them and that I really do not even know how to smoke one!  But this did not help me avoid them, they just kept on coming and the people that have offered them to me said that in times like this smoking helps them to relax a lot. I guess I was in my weakest state ever so I took one at last, lighted it, took a puff, immediately begun coughing and choking and then threw it away for good.
Doesn't matter what the circumstances are, I will never be turned into a smoker, NEVER... But some people do give in to smoking when hard time show themselves and that is just too bad...
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posted May 19, 2006 10:28 AM |
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But some people do give in to smoking when hard time show themselves and that is just too bad...
Smoking is learned attitude and habit.
Personally I don't smoke because I cannot stand the taste.
Many people do because it does relax you.
Not the actual effect of cigarette but the whole idea inhaling of smoke and all the manners that come with it including social contact with other smokers.
Quite often people say that they don't really want to smoke but they cannot help themselves. It becomes part of them and if one stops it something seems to be missing. We must admit that we all are addicts of something.
Smoking is linked to learned behaviour model within social group just like drinking coffee.
It's a way to relax and get over things, get things out of your head.
It's "Spiritual cleaning" or could I say in psychological sense "transitional object".
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posted May 19, 2006 11:43 AM |
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Edited by william at 12:02, 19 May 2006.
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I made this post, but it was deleted along with the thread in Volcanic Wastelands, and now I am reposting it, so you can all take a look at this, and see what I have to say.
Some of you may have already read it, and I will hope that you appreciate the time and effort I have put to mkae this post.
Here it is:
I was watching a couple of old films last night and then suddenly out of no where, this lady who was on screen who didn't look like a smoker at all just got a cigarette and started smoking!!!.
Most of the old films people smoke quite alot, and even in todays films they smoke alot, and it makes it so that you can clearly see them smoking.
I think that Hollywood and the Cigarette company may have some deal.
If you put our cigarettes onscreen then we will give you about $25000 or something like that.
Many teenagers have started smoking because other students older then them sell them at school.
They also try drugs because their friends take them, and then they are then hooked onto the drugs and can't stop, and therefore their future is lost and stuffed up just because they don't any good friends that will guide them in the right direction.
Even people you may not even know will try to sell you drugs or cigarettes at one time in your life.
I remember way back when I was in year 1 or 2, and this eldery lady came to the gates when it was lunchtime, and she gave some students some of these lollies that were really nice and popular back then.
I got one and then I started eating it, but then I remember what my mum had said about not taking loolies from strangers, and then I instantly spat it out and chucked it in the bin.
Now if my mum didn't teach me those things, then I wonder what I would be like now. Maybe some teenage delinquent who hangs around the shop smoking cigarettes and drinking alcohol.
But luckily im not doing that.
I think that parents, and the school should have a better understanding about these things, and should teach their children and studnets about these lessons:
1-dont accept lollies from strangers
2-if someone offers you a ride, dont hop into the car
3-if someone offers you something which you don't know what it is and you have never seen it before, then dont take it
4-dont be forced into peer pressure and dont do anything that you are forced to do by your friends, and if your friends do that, then I wouldn't consider them as friends anymore, and I would find new and better friends that would help me, rather then destroy my future in life.
These lessons are what everyone should learn, and if they are reinforced at school, then there wouldnt be as many problems in our society.
Yes I have seen some of my cousins smoke, and I think it is really stupid.
My dads dad, smoked when he was a teenager, now he is losing his eyesightt and he is coughing really bad alot.
My mums brother was a smoker but now he has stopped which is a relief.
My dads brothers wife smokes I think, but I ahvent seen them for ages.
Peer Pressure is one of the challenges that most of us will have to face, and most of us have already faced them or are facing them right now.
Peer Pressure is tough because when you are being pressured a couple of things may be going through your mind, like these for example:
"oh s*** what will I do, what will my friends think of me if I back out of this, S*** why am I in this position right now"
"Yeah I will do it, because I don't wanna let my friends down, thats just slack and anyway I wanna show them that I am cool and can be like them"
"Better not do it, but if I don't what will happen, maybe I should do it well it isn't that bad is it, maybe it is, oh what will I do"
"Im definately not doing it, I don't want to be their friend any more, im going to find new friends that will actually respect me and not force me in this position".
Some of those things will be flowing through your mind, but ultimately it is your choice which will decide your future and what part you will have or not have in it.
You may grow up to be a succesful bussinessman making alot of money because you chose not to do it, and you picked better friends who helped you through life rather then forcing you into situations which you don't want to be in.
Or you may grow up to be some drug addict who hangs around in alleyways feeding themselves with scraps of food that have been chucked away, and all because you chose the wrong decision and did what your 'friends' told you to do, and now your future and career choices are gone and they are not coming back.
So if you listen to what your parents say, and listen to what your teachers say about Drugs and Smoking and not to do it, then your choices will be far greater in life then if you cose not to listen to your parents and teachers advice.
Now if your friends ever do force you into this situation where they are forcing you take drugs or smoke a cigarette, then you should think really fast, and just walk or run away from them.
It may sound girlish or weak, or not being a man, but you will find that that tiny and quick decision will have affected your future and not for the worse but for the better, and you will have more choices in your life.
For an example, take a look at many of the old people today.
Many of them cough really badly and alot, and many of them have trouble seeing, and that is mainly because they smoked when they were a child.
Smoking isn't good for you or for other people that may be near you.
An example: If you are pregnant and you smoke, the Baby will be in serious danger and may not make it out alive.
Also if you are in the same room with a newborn baby and you smoke, chances are that the baby will get sick fast and probably die that is if you don't take it t a doctor to get it checked out. And the reason for that is because the Babies lungs havent the strength to ward off any of the smoke or anything, Adults will have better lungs and they may be able to take more smoke in before they eventually succumb to the effects of the deadly smoke harming their lungs and heart. A baby cnnot take in much smoke, because they have much tinier lungs then Adults and a little bit of smoke that enters their lungs could potentially kill them.
That is why it is not safe to smoke near babies, or in that fact smoke near anyone.
I heard on the radio the other day, that a man had died because of smoking.
Now you may hear this all the time, but it is quite serious and shouldn't be taken lightly.
You may read this and then later you may go "oh who cares, I am not feeling any of the effects now, so that means that I probably never will, I need another cigarette".
Now that is not what you should do.
Even smoking near another person can kill them.
I have heard that a man who had never smoked in his life died, because he was surrounded by people that smoked.
Now that is bad.
Also smoking can cause bushfires.
Not directly smoking but the cigarettes that you drop on the ground and you don't bother to put out, can catch a leaf on fire, which could then cath a whole tree on fire, and then causing an entire bush to catch alight.
Quite recently there was a big fire not to far away, and they say that it was caused by some kids that were smoking cigarettes.
Not only does smoking harm people, potentially killing them, but it also can cause bushfires, which is extremely bad as that can kill hundreds of people, and I would rather that the people in my community were alive not dead.
Here are some stats that I got off some website:
-In 2004 only 18.6% of Australian males were daily smokers.
-In 2004 women were slightly better than men with 16.3% still smoking daily.
* Among men the age group with the highest rates of daily smoking is 20 to 29 (24% of male smokers).
* Among women the age group with the highest rates of daily smoking is 20 to 29 (22.9% of female smokers).
* A 2002 survey of Australian secondary school students found that smoking rates were 3.1% in boys and 6.2% in girls aged 12.
* The figures peaked at 22.8% for 17 year old boys and 25.6% for 17 year old girls.
And this next one which is quite serious:
* There were approximately 19,000 smoking-related deaths in Australia in 1998.
Now that is alot of deaths just for smokers, and in 1998 that was recently.
Now imagine all the drug deaths combined with all the smoking related deaths in Australia.
Would be quite alot wouldnt it.
Now imagine all of the drug deaths and smoking deaths around the whole world.
That would be alot of people dead just because some idiot decided to make cigarettes, and becuase some idiots decided to do some things with plants and then later develop them into things which you can sniff, and stick into your arm.
Those peopl are stupid and because of them hundreds even thousands of people have died.
If I was them I would be regreting ever making cigarettes or deciding to do things with the drug plants.
I wish that the whole world for one day would stop smoking or taking any kind of bad drug, not the good drugs that you get from the chemist, and that 1 day would hopefully make a difference, and people would experience a new way of living without all of these needless deaths occuring all of the time.
So I hope that you take this letter on board and any of you smokers reading this, I hope that you decide to quite and live a better life than the one that you are living now.
I am really scared for my mum as she has really bad Asthma, not from Smoking, no she has never smoked in her life, and either has my dad.
The people who don't smoke are healthier and are therefor going to get more better jobs in life, as smoking kills people.
Like you mentioned those actress'es and singers etc who have died that is horrible.
Say for example I am an excellent singer, and I have a singing career in the future, and in about a day or so, I am going to be promoting my first single.
The problem, I am a smoker and I am already coughing really bad.
Then imagain that the next day I start coughing uncontrollably and then have to be admitted to hospital.
The Doctors say that my lungs are extrmely weak because of the inhaled smoke and therefor I cannot sing anymore.
In that instant of time, my future of singing would be shattered to pieces.
My life would be ruined before it even began and I would always have to watch what I do, because if I do to much of something then I could start coughing and my lungs wouldnt be able to take it and I amy die.
Now noone would want that, and my death would affect many lives, including my family, cousins, grandparents, my friends, my school, my neighbours, and probably the community.
Noone not even me would want that to happen and I demand that smokers should quit as it will make the world a happier and a safer place to be. Safer as in not as many deaths and accidents caused by smoking, or drugs for that matter.
Here are the effects of smoking which I have obtained from a website:
# Among young people, the short-term health consequences of smoking include respiratory and nonrespiratory effects, addiction to nicotine, and the associated risk of other drug use. Long-term health consequences of youth smoking are reinforced by the fact that most young people who smoke regularly continue to smoke throughout adulthood.
# Cigarette smokers have a lower level of lung function than those persons who have never smoked.
# Smoking reduces the rate of lung growth.
# In adults, cigarette smoking causes heart disease and stroke. Studies have shown that early signs of these diseases can be found in adolescents who smoke.
# Smoking hurts young people's physical fitness in terms of both performance and endurance—even among young people trained in competitive running.
# On average, someone who smokes a pack or more of cigarettes each day lives 7 years less than someone who never smoked.
# The resting heart rates of young adult smokers are two to three beats per minute faster than nonsmokers.
# Smoking at an early age increases the risk of lung cancer. For most smoking-related cancers, the risk rises as the individual continues to smoke.
# Teenage smokers suffer from shortness of breath almost three times as often as teens who don't smoke, and produce phlegm more than twice as often as teens who don't smoke.
# Teenage smokers are more likely to have seen a doctor or other health professionals for an emotional or psychological complaint.
# Teens who smoke are three times more likely than nonsmokers to use alcohol, eight times more likely to use marijuana, and 22 times more likely to use cocaine. Smoking is associated with a host of other risky behaviors, such as fighting and engaging in unprotected sex.
Now some of those may sound silly, but when you get into the real world and you start smoking these things will most likel happen to you, and it wont be a nice experience let me assure you.
There have been thousands of deaths from smoking and many of them include lung cancer and brain damage and others.
Smoking is deadly not just to yourself but to others that are around you.
Smoking hrams people that are even sitting next to you, and this can be quite serious and harmful to others that havent even smoked before and dont want to smoke, but then they die because you smoked near them.
This can have a detrimental effect on the community and is likely to coninue over and over again unless we do something about it.
So who here think that smoking is good, raise your hand, anyone thinks that smoking is bad raise your hand.
I think there would be more people that raised there hand for not being good then being good, so if that is so, why do many people of the Australian population smoking, wait scratch that, why do many people of the worlds population smoke if they know that it is bad for their health and their well-being.
Im not going to turn into one of the smokers im going to be a non smoker, and thats what everyone should be, a non-smoker.
When I was tiny once, I said something.
I said "if you want to die, just take a cigarette".
That still sticks into my mind, because hundreds even thousands of people are dieing from this horrible smoke that is not only polluting our society but our environment and also ourselves and other people near us.
Smoking is the scum of society and we should do everything in our power to stop it.
Already the Government has made it so that you can't smoke in restaurants or in buses or public transport.
We should Ban smoking altogether and do everything in our power to stop it from ever taking over our lives again.
Here are some pictures of the effects of smoking.
If you dont want to see them, then well just dont look at them 
Difference between a non-smoker and a smoker
Reported Reasons for staying smoke free
Causes of Death Tobacco vs Others
Chart years cost
Lung Capacity
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Smoking among high school students
Percentage of Cigarette smoking by people 18 years and older 1999
Estimated Average Annual smoking attributable health care costs per capita by country west virginia 2001
Texas Preventable Deaths 2001
I hope those images/links show up, and if they do it is recommended that you click on them and view them, as they contain quite valuable information.
Well thanks for reading.
SMOKERS ARE JOKERS
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 Wow will u sey everything her and I dont know what to sey.Butt btw I am smoker and I trying to quit butt it is a hard way for someone who smoking 11yare and I will give anything for stoping butt it is hard.Someone talking theat is easy u just must sey "no I will not smoke any more"yes I think so butt so many times I just dont know theat I smoke like now, I looking what is new on net and i even dont think about smoking butt my hand grab cigarette and there it is in my mouth,and I am not aware theat I smoking.
cigarette sux dont smoke!  drink a beer
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posted May 19, 2006 12:33 PM |
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Smoking is the scum of society and we should do everything in our power to stop it.
We should Ban smoking altogether and do everything in our power to stop it from ever taking over our lives again.
William, my boy.
I should maybe point out that many other things in society are dangerous too while government quite open arms welcome these habits and tolerates such hobbies.
We can prevent people from smoking by giving stats and showing pictures. However the idea behind banning smoking shouldn't be just to irritate smokers or make it more difficult for them but only to make certain that only the smoker is harmed when he smokes and not his surroundings.
There's never been or will be healthy society.
I say that people should have right to choose which way they want to go.
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posted May 19, 2006 12:35 PM |
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Well good, if you want to die from smoking, go right ahead, but im saying that smoking shouldnt be allowed, because all it does is kill people.
Thats not right, and its not fair.
What a waste of life.
Gone just by smoking something.
Thats a waste and it shouldnt happen.
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posted May 19, 2006 12:40 PM |
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Thats not right, and its not fair.
World isn't fair and there's no right in this life.
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What a waste of life.
I'm in total agreement with you with that.
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Thats a waste and it shouldnt happen.
But these things do happen, no matter what, you'll see.
What I have learned could be summarized that life is like "running into a burning house and nobody can be saved".
Trying to safe someone who doesn't want to be saved.
It is as much waste of life also.
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posted May 19, 2006 02:06 PM |
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more cartoons 
one of my favourites
and another good one
as for smoking. i havent smoked and never will. i am rarely around a smoker and i will go away if they do smoke around me, which is rare. however if we lost the smokes then the government wouldnt make enough money and so non smokers pay more in taxes. i think that is right
so smokers are paying out taxes for us
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posted May 19, 2006 09:32 PM |
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I've been a smoker for 5 years, quitting cigarettes on and off for the last 2 years. I understand the supreme anti-smoker sentiment, but I would like to share my perspective, if I may.
A lot of today's society is focused on perscribing "better" brain chemistry for people with various abnormalities (thank you democracy and psychology, for taking most often a plurality [not a majority] of people's ways of life and making that "normal", where everyone should be.) I'm sure you know someone (if not many people) perscribed to various medications for ADD or ADHD (ritalin, aderall, conserta, etc), or maybe a perscription for depression, maybe just for insomnia.
nicotine, the wonderful/awful chemical in cigarettes, has shown itself to be most prevelant in its use as a self-medicated means of relieving stress. Studies have shown that most people who still smoke now are definitely well aware of the risks, but are driven by the addictive appeal of their stress reliever, much as many people become addicted to the perscription drug, ambien, another stress reliever, intended to aid insomniacs in getting to sleep.
Why not switch to another means of treating problems with stress? Firstly, I already stated that nicotine is very addictive, and the act of smoking (it can get worked into a daily routine as easily as brushing your teeth) becomes a very hard habit to break. Secondly, Yes, I am aware of the health risks for smoking; I am not aware of the potential long-term health risks for perscription drugs - These are pills that seriously alter the chemistry of your brain, most of which have been around for less than a decade, and whose testing is still fairly archaic and based on...a majority of people. It really doesn't seem like that much safer of a gamble.
I understand that smokers smell terrible to non-smokers. I still bathe regularly, and thanks to New York State Law, I usually smoke outside, but I understand that the smell of stale cigarette smoke itself can be quite repulsive. My only request is, if it bothers you that much, and you are that thoroughly disgusted about our stench of death, stay away from us, because we are all actually undead, and the smell isn't from cigarettes...we are planning on making all of you undead too, but you will probably be skeleton archers or something like that...smokers are all cooler troop types, like vampires and liches and wraiths. I am a wraith and sometimes I pretend my scythe is an electric guitar and I rock out with Van Halen.
In short, I hope to reach a point of dealing with my stress without any sort of chemical catalyst, but for now I am stuck on smoking.
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