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Heroes Community > Tournament of Honor > Thread: UHHGG Chaining is BACK??? :( :( :(
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Jinxer
Jinxer


Legendary Hero
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posted May 31, 2006 06:05 AM

UHHGG Chaining is BACK??? :( :( :(

I cannot believe I didnt ask BEFORE I bought the game? It appears that they Brought Chaining creatures back to the game? So we have Heroes 3 back with better graphics?  Or am I missing something?  

If chaining is back, I dont think Jinxer will be.  Anyone wanna buy a hardly used H5 game. Paid $50 will sell for $40  

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valkyrica
valkyrica


Supreme Hero
posted May 31, 2006 06:57 AM

Are you having hissy fits on a daily basis or was this an unplanned one ?

Sheesh, play the game first, then you'll see that chaining may not be worth it as you won't have enough gold to buy your troops if you already purchased a "chain" of heroes.

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zilonite
zilonite


Famous Hero
posted May 31, 2006 07:15 AM

Also lets not forget the "summon creatures" adventure spell

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bjorn190
bjorn190


Responsible
Supreme Hero
Jebus maker
posted May 31, 2006 08:13 AM

Yea and the haven training.. u can make alot of troops for 7x2500 gold

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valkyrica
valkyrica


Supreme Hero
posted May 31, 2006 08:59 AM

7 x 2500 ? isn't every hero you buy 500g more expensive ?
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jb239
jb239


Famous Hero
posted May 31, 2006 09:06 AM

Sounds like Jinxer is back.. Just as I remembered

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M0cara
M0cara

Tavern Dweller
posted May 31, 2006 09:15 AM

Yeah it IS just like H3...Jinxer is back to whining again. All he did during H3 was tell us all how flawed the game was and how his interpretation of the game was better than the inventors...here he is a week into it and he has already found ways to improve it.

Please someone buy the game from him so we won't have to listen to him complain for the next 3 years. But, of course he isn't serious about not playing. He is just whining, looking for others who will side with him so he can create division amongst the players like he did in H3. Some people aren't happy unless they are complaining.

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rychenroller
rychenroller


Promising
Supreme Hero
posted May 31, 2006 09:28 AM

Quote:
I cannot believe I didnt ask BEFORE I bought the game? It appears that they Brought Chaining creatures back to the game? So we have Heroes 3 back with better graphics?  Or am I missing something?  

If chaining is back, I dont think Jinxer will be.  Anyone wanna buy a hardly used H5 game. Paid $50 will sell for $40  



Chaining is back as well as the multiple strategies accompanied with it, that require skill and intelligence to use.
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Blue_Camel
Blue_Camel


Famous Hero
posted May 31, 2006 09:32 AM
Edited by Blue_Camel at 09:35, 31 May 2006.

Quote:
7 x 2500 ? isn't every hero you buy 500g more expensive ?


just so.  7 extra heroes = 28,000 gold (instead of 17,500), with that 8th lovely costing you 5500.  and creature upgrade buildings usually cost a whole lot.  lots of stuff costs a lot.  i dont think i'll be having 8 heroes too often, honestly.  altho jinxer.. i've heard he is a popular guy at the taverns
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Aculias
Aculias


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Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
posted May 31, 2006 09:39 AM
Edited by Aculias at 09:40, 31 May 2006.

I admit chaining did take long but it is a strategy.
I never seen anyone chain as good as Phantom1500 though.

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Arangar
Arangar


Famous Hero
Weak ranger - lost viking
posted May 31, 2006 10:21 AM

Welcome back Jinxer

I would think that the mapmakers are to blame if 8 heroes show up (as a standard tactic) on the adventure map in h5.







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INSATIABLE
INSATIABLE


Supreme Hero
Ultimate N00bidity
posted May 31, 2006 11:35 AM

am sure they will be to blame then

Maps as they are, seems they're boringly empty. We're still learming whats what, so we dont care + they re neatly designed.

I'm sure maps will become much richer(and why shouldnt they?)
In rich maps you get more fun and less turns per game- which means less transfer lag and less useless micromanagement per turn

As for chaining.. well if it has to be done it has to be done.
And im sure new maps wont allow a super-ultra day1 rush situation(like in h3)
Personally i just dont like chaining much cause i find it tedious.. specially when you re under a case of beers
..which is usually
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Muerte
Muerte


Adventuring Hero
posted May 31, 2006 02:32 PM

I think his concern about chaining is legitimate, if a bit overstated.

I don't relish the idea of using chaining as a tactic and I thought Heroes 4 had a much better solution to that problem with caravans and such, but as other have mentioned there are viable alternatives to chaining ( i.e. upgrading, and summon creature. )

Chaining isn't a deal breaker for me; though; but it can be inconvenient and tedious.


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Prince_Legolas
Prince_Legolas

Bad-mannered

posted May 31, 2006 04:00 PM

Quote:
I cannot believe I didnt ask BEFORE I bought the game? It appears that they Brought Chaining creatures back to the game? So we have Heroes 3 back with better graphics?  Or am I missing something?  

If chaining is back, I dont think Jinxer will be.  Anyone wanna buy a hardly used H5 game. Paid $50 will sell for $40  



there is chaining but not that one homm 3 has,now you cant run just with lvl 7 creatures or most fastest,most of the time you will pick all army with you.
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Aculias
Aculias


Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
posted May 31, 2006 04:03 PM

Chaining is a deal breakier to alot of great players.
Each day is crucial.
Losing 1 day can cost you the game.
Enough about heroes 3.

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M0cara
M0cara

Tavern Dweller
posted May 31, 2006 06:13 PM

If you want to make chaining quicker please visit these links and chime in with your opinions;

http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=18201

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/7811096804/m/4681057844

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insatiable
insatiable


Supreme Hero
Ultimate N00bidity
posted May 31, 2006 06:22 PM

Quote:
Please someone buy the game from him so we won't have to listen to him complain for the next 3 years.
so so lol

we all play under same rules..
all features of a game cant possibly fit perfect into each taste-suit.
 soo accept reality and click.
ABORT/IGNORE/RETRY





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vesuvius
vesuvius

Hero of Order
Honor Above all Else
posted May 31, 2006 06:54 PM

well I'm not a big fan of chaining either, but in a way, they have made it more difficult.  The cost of heroes gets prohibitively more expensive as you buy, and can totally screw you up if you do, especially in the first week... play on harder difficulties and you won't be even able to afford more than 2.

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Jinxer
Jinxer


Legendary Hero
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posted May 31, 2006 08:26 PM

Talk about people being the same. Mocara is just as critical, and so quick to bash. My post was a simple observation about game, and you mocara turn it into a personal bashing fest.

I know heroes 4 was not a favorite of alot of people, but there was a few aspects of heroes 4 that was an improvement and evolution to the game, and the chaining factor was one of them.  Now I will admit I havent tried the game enough to see the ramifications of the the chaining, so I will give it some time.  

@ rychenroller -- ofcourse I respect you and your opinion, but I do want to point out that, in Heroes 3 chaining was the ONLY strategy etc.. just had to memorize the map and chain your way systematically through the map in 2 weeks and game over. After a while it wasnt about strategy but about practice and memorization of exact movements. I just think there should be more strategy is deciding which path to take or direction to go or what part of map is more important etc, instead of sweeping the entire map with no thought to strategy and planning. So if the chaining in H5 is like that, it will be the same old map memorization and 2 week rush games. However if they economy structure balances out buying all them heroes then might not be so bad.  Might be a happy medium.

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maretti
maretti


Responsible
Supreme Hero
posted May 31, 2006 08:39 PM

You are totally right. Fixed maps where you have to memorize the map and chain your way systematically through the map in 2 weeks suck.

But that is all changed with a random generator. On randoms you have to use your skills all the time cause you dont know what comes next and chaining is a big part of playing well. So all you should do is probably wait a year till the random generator hopefully comes out and then start playing.
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