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player1_hero
player1_hero


Hired Hero
posted August 23, 2006 08:42 PM

Several newbe questions about Ranger

I just got in campaign to first ranger mission, but I barely know any of mechanics anout Avenger speciality and Imbuing arrows and similar.

So, any place I could get detail explanation?

For example can I changed favorite enemies every time in get in town.
How to know what units are my fav. enemies outside the town.
What about campaign, do fav. enemies carry over or not.
What about missions without towns.

What attacks can use Imubed Spells?

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Drake-Hound
Drake-Hound

Tavern Dweller
posted August 23, 2006 08:56 PM

Well The ranger special ability is really powerfull for single player since you will be mostly facing the same kind of oppenents.

To activate it you need to have beaten that kind of stack 2 times.
So for example you are dealing with enemy archer succubi / mage that causes you tons of pain .
Or big endgame creatures you need to deal with quickly

Choose that one as favorite enemy and all your Hunters will deal more damage to it , beside benefiting from other ability like rain of arrows deadeyeshot etc.

For imbue arrows it needs to be activated then chosen a power like weakness slow etc.
So beside dealing the normal hero damage , you also cast a spell.

Well problem is with the ranger beside having to build that building.
Is that the skill benefit is a bit later on , instead of right away.
Or simply feels that way , but infact just consider them like a bonus beside your basic spell casting ability , just something extra powerfull .

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player1_hero
player1_hero


Hired Hero
posted August 23, 2006 09:30 PM

The thing is that with imbube arrow I haven't seen spell used with regular ranger attack.

Do I need deadeye shot or something?

Also, can I always switch my favorite enemies in the town, whenever heore visits?

Also, what is good tip for choosing enemies in single player campaign?
What are best picks?

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Demortae
Demortae


Adventuring Hero
posted August 23, 2006 09:59 PM

Yes, you can switch whenever you are in a sylvan town that has the building.  Right clicking on your hero will give you his stats, army, and favored enemies, from top to bottom.  Imbuing your arrows will only cast the spell on a favored enemy, unless you have deadeye shot, then it will work on anyone.  Rain of arrows will cast an imbued spell on every stack of favored enemies present on the battlefield, but will drain mana for each.

Overall, its an extremely powerfull ability, but one has to know his enemy.  Use that thieve's guild.  
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TemjinGold
TemjinGold


Known Hero
posted August 23, 2006 10:26 PM

And what better way to know your enemy than to get... "Know your enemy"?
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Demortae
Demortae


Adventuring Hero
posted August 23, 2006 11:16 PM

Lol, know your enemy would be better if it gave you information about other heroes and their troops.  I guess I'll take the crit chance increase though, better than nothing, especially since I'll usually take enlightenment if it pops up for the xtra defense and mana it'll give you.


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player1_hero
player1_hero


Hired Hero
posted August 24, 2006 11:09 AM

Another question:
If I get that Imbue Ballista specialization, will spell be cast against all enemies when firing ballista or only against favored ones?


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Elvin
Elvin


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Endless Revival
posted August 24, 2006 11:14 AM

Quote:
Another question:
If I get that Imbue Ballista specialization, will spell be cast against all enemies when firing ballista or only against favored ones?




All of course.Even imbue arrow can target everyone,however if you also have deadeye shot and the enemy is favoured it will deal more damage(not spell damage,it is fixed).Only rain of arrows hits just favoured enemies.
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Doomforge
Doomforge


Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
posted August 24, 2006 12:57 PM

That gives sylvan a bit of advantage vs. necro or haven, marksmen or skellies are often present on the map

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Demortae
Demortae


Adventuring Hero
posted August 24, 2006 02:18 PM

Quote:
Quote:
Another question:
If I get that Imbue Ballista specialization, will spell be cast against all enemies when firing ballista or only against favored ones?




All of course.Even imbue arrow can target everyone,however if you also have deadeye shot and the enemy is favoured it will deal more damage(not spell damage,it is fixed).Only rain of arrows hits just favoured enemies.


This is not true, an imbued arrow will not cast on an enemy that isn't on your favorite enemy list until you have deadeye shot.  I have no idea  on the specifics of imbue ballista, however.
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Elvin
Elvin


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Endless Revival
posted August 24, 2006 03:28 PM
Edited by Elvin at 15:38, 24 Aug 2006.

Imbue arrow just adds a spell to the creature you hit with your hero.And your hero isn't restricted in targetting favourites,are you kidding me?But still one of the first things you should get is deadeye shot so..
I just remembered that in the past I had taken imbue arrow prior to deadeye shot and it worked fine.
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Demortae
Demortae


Adventuring Hero
posted August 24, 2006 03:46 PM

I tried it out just to make sure that I was correct, it does not work on non-favored enemies, unless you have deadeye shot.
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player1_hero
player1_hero


Hired Hero
posted August 24, 2006 04:13 PM
Edited by player1_hero at 16:15, 24 Aug 2006.

Yes, I know for fact it does not work on normal attacks (with no favored enemies at least). Pity it isn't mentioned anywhere in the game (I wasted skill slot on this too early).

Now, I have yet to test using normal attack against favored enemy with imbued arrow, and see if that works (never got a chance in mission one).

Also, what's the deal with deadeye and it's damage potential (have yet to get it)?
It says 3 + hero level (or twice against favorites), but that's pitful compared to normal hero attack (exempt if used together with Imbued spell).
Or I'm missing something?

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Vlaad
Vlaad


Admirable
Legendary Hero
ghost of the past
posted August 24, 2006 04:15 PM

I'll repost this because some people have given wrong answers.

Note to newcomers: Heroes Community has its own SEARCH function - just type in "Ranger", "Avenger" or "Sylvan" next time.


Not only do Rangers’ troops have a 40-60% chance to deal double damage to the favored enemies, but also the heroes themselves inflict increased damage.

The damage dealt by heroes depends on their level and the level of the targeted creatures. In addition, the damage can be increased by the Ranger’s racial skills.

According to the description, the Ranger deals 3 times his or her level damage to his favored enemies (Rain of Arrows or a single shot), which is somewhat misleading. Needless to say, a level 15 hero does not deal 3x15=45 damage, but he does NOT inflict 3 times his current damage either. Actually, he gains 3 virtual levels when attacking his favored enemies, i.e. as if he was level 18.

Here's a sample chart for a level 15 Ranger attacking another Sylvan army:



Imbue Arrow does not deal additional damage aside from the spell damage itself.

Deadeye Shot grants double damage to the damage done to favored enemies but targets a single stack (In our example, the ranger would kill 38x2=15 Pixies or Sprites, IF he had both Deadeye Shot AND this creature was on his favored enemy list).

Deadeye Shot always kills at least one creature, regardless of its health, so it's best used against level 7 creatures.

(For comparison, the same hero deals 32 damage with Fist of Wrath or 56 with Fireball and Spellpower 3)

Imbue Arrow is a good ability if paired with Destructive Magic and mass spells. Imbue your rain of arrows with Meteor Shower or Implosion and enjoy the fireworks.




Sadly, you cannot imbue Armageddon, as it doesn’t target specific creatures. Similarly, you cannot imbue Mass Slow, Mass Weakness and Mass Suffering. These spells affect ALL of the opponent's creatures. When you use Imbue Arrow, you can imbue only the spells that target a single stack or a limited area. Thus you can imbue Lightning or Meteor Shower, but not Mass Slow or Armageddon. You can imbue Mass Vulnerability and Mass Cleansing, as those affect only limited areas. Unfortunately, one of Rangers’ weakest points is they have a very low chance of being offered Dark Magic.

Nevertheless, don’t forget that the spells drain your mana. If you are trying to shoot your three favored enemies but have enough spell points only for two spells, the third one is simply not cast. Imbue Ballista drains the mana as well.

It is important to note that Imbue Arrow only works with Deadeye Shot, Rain of Arrows, and Imbue Ballista. Otherwise, the spell is not cast when you attack. Strangely, you can obtain Imbue Arrow before its requirements.

Finally, keep in mind Rain of Arrows hits only your favored enemies (not other creatures) – but it hits them all. In other words, the Ranger can shoot from 1 to 7 arrows at the opponent’s army.

William has asked a good question - is it worth it? YES, for larger maps and against known opponents. It is a costly investment which pays off in the late game.

P.S. Remember that you can check your opponents’ alignments in your Tavern as early as day one.

If there are no neutrals which you want, you might find them exploring Crypts, Abandoned Mines, Wrecked Galleys, Vaults of the Mages, Dragon Utopias, Military Posts and Sphinxes.
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Elvin
Elvin


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posted August 24, 2006 04:23 PM

Quote:
I tried it out just to make sure that I was correct, it does not work on non-favored enemies, unless you have deadeye shot.


Seems you were right,my bad.
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player1_hero
player1_hero


Hired Hero
posted August 24, 2006 06:19 PM

So, how much damage deals Deadeye shot?
I still don't get it.
Description says 3+hero level, but it just doesn't make sense.
At lvl 10, it's 13dmg point, pitful compared to regular hero attack that does scale with level and target creature.

Or is this just badly worded, and hero instead has virtual extra 3 levels when doing deadeye?

What about deadeye targeting the favored enemy?

And, at the end, what about Imbued shot, how does it affect ballista if having that I mbuedBallista ability?

Does it affect only favored enemies, or all enemies (like Deadeye)?

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player1_hero
player1_hero


Hired Hero
posted August 24, 2006 06:26 PM
Edited by player1_hero at 18:34, 24 Aug 2006.

Quote:
Imbue Arrow does not deal additional damage aside from the spell damage itself.


You mean only spell damage is done?
So what's the point of using Imbue Arrow if it deals only spell damage, if any, since spell I could cast any way without losing one turn (maybe Rain of Arros?)
Does at least  Deadeye-kill-one effect still work (making it worse then necro Cold Death, since it affects just fav. enemies)?
What about Ballista, is it just spell damage too?

Not to mention, if it is true, that it contradicts Imbue Arrow ability description with explicity mentions arrow damage, plus spell effect.


Quote:
It is important to note that Imbue Arrow only works with Deadeye Shot, Rain of Arrows, and Imbue Ballista. Otherwise, the spell is not cast when you attack. Strangely, you can obtain Imbue Arrow before its requirements.


Yes, this one was my big mistake in campaign. Taking Imbue Arrows first.

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Vlaad
Vlaad


Admirable
Legendary Hero
ghost of the past
posted August 24, 2006 06:43 PM

Quote:
So, how much damage deals Deadeye shot?
I still don't get it.
Description says 3+hero level, but it just doesn't make sense.
At lvl 10, it's 13dmg point, pitful compared to regular hero attack that does scale with level and target creature.

Or is this just badly worded, and hero instead has virtual extra 3 levels when doing deadeye?

What about deadeye targeting the favored enemy?
*sigh*

For example, let's take a level 15 Ranger vs neutral Sprites:

no abilities: 33 damage
with Deadeye Shot: 38 damage
with Rain of Arrows (Sprite is his favored enemy): 38 damage
with Deadeye Shot plus Sprite is his favored enemy: 76 damage
Quote:
And, at the end, what about Imbued shot, how does it affect ballista if having that I mbuedBallista ability?
Those are two separate abilities.
Quote:
Does it affect only favored enemies, or all enemies (like Deadeye)?
It affects the targeted stack(s).
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Elvin
Elvin


Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
posted August 24, 2006 06:48 PM
Edited by Elvin at 18:49, 24 Aug 2006.

Quote:
So, how much damage deals Deadeye shot?
I still don't get it.
Description says 3+hero level, but it just doesn't make sense.
At lvl 10, it's 13dmg point, pitful compared to regular hero attack that does scale with level and target creature.

Or is this just badly worded, and hero instead has virtual extra 3 levels when doing deadeye?

What about deadeye targeting the favored enemy?

And, at the end, what about Imbued shot, how does it affect ballista if having that I mbuedBallista ability?

Does it affect only favored enemies, or all enemies (like Deadeye)?



As far as I know a 2nd lvl ranger with deadeye shot deals the damage a 5th lvl(+3 lvls) hero would do when targeting a same tier creature.If you shoot a favoured enemy with it,it will deal double of that.About imbue ballista if you have it and imbue arrow with a spell then the ranger AND the ballista will also 'cast' the spell in their every attack until they run out of mana.So if you imbue arrow with icebolt every shot of your ballista will deal normal damage plus cast icebolt on its target.It affects any stack your ballista hits but I don't know for sure if deadeye shot is required for that since its the first I get.

Edit:I type too slowly
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player1_hero
player1_hero


Hired Hero
posted August 24, 2006 06:51 PM
Edited by player1_hero at 18:55, 24 Aug 2006.

Quote:
Quote:
And, at the end, what about Imbued shot, how does it affect ballista if having that Imbued Ballista ability?
Those are two separate abilities.


So?
Imbued Ballista, makes Imbue Arrow ability affect balista too. At least that's description.

Quote:
Quote:
Does it affect only favored enemies, or all enemies (like Deadeye)?
It affects the targeted stack(s).


So it does spell effect regardless is stack favorite enemy or not?

EDIT:
I type slow too.

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