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DragonLord3000
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posted September 06, 2006 10:05 PM |
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Gremlins,a waste of time?
Waiting for Heroes 5 to be released,several ideas came in my head.One of them was that Nival would make the gramlins more strong.I remembered that in heroes 3 they were let's say the 3rd weakest unit.
Playing h5 i realised that they are the same weak units as in h3!They are related to orcs so they should have been more powerful.Attack +2 or something!Only thing i liked about gremlins in h5 is that they look like YODA!!!!!!!!
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Geny
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posted September 06, 2006 10:55 PM |
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Edited by Geny at 22:56, 06 Sep 2006.
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First of all Heroes 3 gremlins were by no means weak. 200 master gremlins did insane ranged damage. Of course they died quickly but their growth rate compensated for it.
Now to Heroes 5. I must say I haven't played Academy too much so I can't judge, but I looked at the creature stats and I don't see any problem. Gremlins have decent att/def for lvl 1 creature (I think their on 2nd place after the scouts), great growth rate (sharing 2nd place with the skellies, the weak peasants are 1st) and good ranged damage. I don't think they're weak.
BTW, are you sure gremlins are related to orcs? Never heard anything about that... I think you're confusing them with goblins.
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DragonLord3000
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posted September 06, 2006 11:12 PM |
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Think so?!!
Don't actually know about that orc-gremlin matter but if you play a big battle...
60 titans,80 Rakshasha's,150 genies...you will see that the damage done by the gremlins,let's say 600 of them pales in front of the other units!
600 conscripts do double damage than 600 master gremlins if the gremlins would have no range penalty!
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Geny
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posted September 07, 2006 09:33 PM |
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I'm sorry but that's just statistically incorrect.
Conscripts have 1-2 dmg and 1 att.
Master Gremlins 1-2 dmg and 3 att.
The only reason why M.Gremlins could inflict lesser damage (except range penalty) is because their Hero is Magic oriented while conscript's hero is Might oriented, but that's not the gremlins' problem .
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DragonLord3000
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posted September 07, 2006 09:42 PM |
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Although,gremlins are very weak and I can't find their use in almost any battle
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Geny
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posted September 07, 2006 10:09 PM |
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That's the fate of every 1st lvl unit. In the final battles they're just not as useful as lvl 7.
Conscripts and sprites die after one blow, familiars are extremely useful against Magic heroes, but suck in combat, assasins do ridiculous ranged damage and the poison isn't that strong in final battles, skelletons are good only because a necromancer can raise thousands of them.
Gremlins are not different from them.
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DragonLord3000
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posted September 07, 2006 10:17 PM |
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I'm not talking about final battles.
It's just that with any other unit,maybe not the peasant,I can find some way to use it and gain a advantage however small!Gremlins are just sitting in the way!
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Geny
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posted September 07, 2006 10:34 PM |
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Well... like I said in the beginning - I never really played with Academy so far so I can't be a judge of a real combat situation...
Maybe you can use them as a target for your opponents to save your mages? And if your opponent doesn't attack the gremlins than at least you'll have tons of them
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DragonLord3000
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posted September 07, 2006 10:40 PM |
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You cannot know what the oponent might think and won't you go for let's say 80 archmages than about 500 gremlins?It's because of their low damage.Skelleton archers inflict not so high damage too,but you cannot do nothing but fear them!I would like to add more comments on this topic but this one is about gramlins
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Geny
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posted September 07, 2006 10:59 PM |
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Edited by Geny at 23:00, 07 Sep 2006.
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Sindbad
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posted September 09, 2006 10:04 AM |
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Well I must say this discussion is weird... Only the two of you talking here.
But thats not the problem. I play with academy almost every time and i must say that I like the gremlins. They are good at first battles because there are not so many ranged creatures of the 1st-3rd lvl. At endgame battles I dont have much of them (because they are killed too easily), but I still need them to repair my golems!
And I got a trick that could improve their weak stats - if I make a mini artefact of HP, then they are quite endurable. At higher artificer skill I make na artifact with also defense and attack.
So I think they are a normal lvl 1 unit like any else! (Tell me you dont have problems with imps!!!)
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