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yubq
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posted September 14, 2006 05:55 PM |
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succubus,a horrible balance breaker
20% steal,not terrible? this lady can charm up to one fifth adiaphorous creatures to join her!
an example,VIM. she can fascinate 800 from 4000 rust dragons on an island.and seduce 800 out of 4000 Azure Dragons on cursed ground.
can you imagine that the 2-breasted-women defeats 4000 Azure Dragon simply with some 300 supreme titans,some 300 Hell Barons and a few ultimate phoenix on cursed ground?
she spoils the game thoroughly.
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WoGifier
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posted September 14, 2006 07:13 PM |
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Well, they not always attract so much creatures. 20% is the MAXIMUM it can. Number of attracted creatures depends on Commander's level, magic power skill level, level of target creatures etc... It will attract 20% of the target wandering monster if your commander has reached very high level, has big magic power, and the target is weak.
The examples you given are impossible to become true. There isn't strong succubus enough to attract 400 azure dragon... The men who made WoG thought about this... they are not stupid 
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yubq
Hired Hero
rosesmasher
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posted September 15, 2006 03:30 PM |
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Hi ,donn't be too confident. the above result is concluded from playing VIM, Vengeance is Mine, with the fewest items checked. I merely select about 4 of them, stack experience system, henchman, commander and 10 skills. I disable all the other items.I really Took 800 Azure dragons it is not a joke. and there is even more other interesting discussion on wakeofgods.com.
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WoGifier
Adventuring Hero
Revealer of Enlightment
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posted September 15, 2006 05:03 PM |
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I've tested it. You were both right and wrong. The succubus CAN transform 800 azure dragons, but only if she has reached high level. Formula is: 5%+(Commander level-1)/2, but not more than 20%. BTW, if you play normal scrnarios, or campaigns, I'm doubtful there will be 4000 azure dragons in 1 stack on the map . Oterwise, 800 azure dragon can't beat the other 3200. (needless to say, of course)
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baklava
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Mostly harmless
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posted September 15, 2006 05:03 PM |
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Well I really haven't noticed how the Sucs are overpowered. And by the way, since Inferno is the crappiest town anyway, why not at least let them have a good commander?
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yubq
Hired Hero
rosesmasher
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posted September 16, 2006 09:15 AM |
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Edited by yubq at 09:33, 16 Sep 2006.
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oh yeah? it might be difficult to defeat 3200 Azures as one stack.
but,you can kill them in 7*(4000-800)/7 groups.then it is not so tough work.simply sacrifice 6 super phoenixes-including a henchman,and 28 surrenderring azures.take sacred phoenixes as sheild for 800 azures and as trapper for counterattacking from 7*457 azures.
my hero has reached 50th grade with expert earth magic,e offense and e defense,and e tactics.
i guess you play few extra large maps or Chinese maps.in deed,VIM is a european map.In China,it is normal to to see thousands of 7-8 grade creatures.and that is very good gameplay.people is sure to enjoy it on playing these maps.
haha,comrade Wogifier. are you a developer? we have some questions for you,technically,y not come here to share tech with more wog fans?
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WoGifier
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posted September 16, 2006 09:35 AM |
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I think noone is foolish enough to attack 4000 azure dragons w/o a very large army, and only by considering the fact '800 will join me! '. Succubus' ability can only be used for weaken the target army a bit. If you don't have strong army, the succubus is useless, because 20% can't beat 80%. With a strong army, 20% more creatures does not worth much in fact... BTW, Baklava is right. Inferno is one of the most disliked and weakest towns. There must be a strong commander then. So WoG provides more balance for inferno compared with other towns. I think that modifying this ability would be the biggest foolishness somebody can ever commit.
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted September 18, 2006 01:54 AM |
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I dont know from where comes the idea that Inferno is the weakest town.
In fact, depending of maps and single/multiplayer it can be the best from far, having level 7 with no retaliation and decent speed.No retaliation means that basically you can defeat thousand of dragons with a few devils and force field. Coupled with mass slow the Archdevil is unstopable.
In another way the efrets are easy to gather first week and they are awesome, imune to fire and fire shield etc. The weakest part of the inferno are only its heroes. But who hire them anyway?
Also the inferno has the highest chance among with dungeon to get armageddon in guild.
And the most powerfull: pit lords raising daemons.With a few valuable tactics it is not uncommom to get up to 10k daemons on XL maps.See "To kill for power" Xl map.
Succubus is interesting idea but unplayable. Who will play multiplayer against it and having its army reduced in final battle? Nobody.
Comanders are way too powerfull. I never play with this option on.
Yubq, "VIM" wasnt designed for wog. You wogified it, play with level 8 and found it too easy to take the azure. Try it with original level 7 and come here to share your deception 
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Fnord
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted September 18, 2006 05:15 AM |
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Succubus is interesting idea but unplayable. Who will play multiplayer against it and having its army reduced in final battle? Nobody.
The Succubus only steals neutral creatures.
Perhaps you're thinking of the Conflux's Commander, the Astral Spirit?
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Salamandre
Admirable
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Wog refugee
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posted September 18, 2006 05:59 AM |
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Thats right, conflux comander. The one I hate
When playing CHASER I had about 300K ghosts. It happened that some conflux hero charmed about 50K of them. Beside the fact that I disliked it, the pain came after the battle, when ALL ghosts came back in ONE stack, experiencing the famous bug of negative experience which never ends.
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted September 18, 2006 06:11 AM |
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I think noone is foolish enough to attack 4000 azure dragons w/o a very large army
We are in WOG forum. The azure dragon lost its supremacy since Slava had some ideas. Actually in the Chaser map you have to get past 9999 X 7 azure dragons.Not easy but doable with the right spells and creatures (anyone archidevils?). The most difficult seems to me still the rust dragon or hell hydras with acid split.
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WoGifier
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posted September 18, 2006 03:42 PM |
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Yes, it is possible of course. But you still need great forces. The spells are not enough. Imagine: If the azure dragons are not spilt, you can't use berserk, chain lightning, inferno etc. If they are split, you can't use direct damage spells, precision (if you have much shooter stacks) etc. I think the only way to beat them is to use expert berserk and orb of vulnerability, or using their breath attack against them.
And the map you discussed: It might be a special one where you have massive army and great spells w/ orb of vulnerability, high spellpower, etc.
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted September 18, 2006 09:33 PM |
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Here is the second best azure killer:
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By the way, if the azure arent split than it is piece of cake: slow+berserk = they will not move until hit.
berserk+blind = they dont move and dont retaliate. Wog is mocking on little strategy, it is going with huge nuclear weapons via upgrade towers.
But of course, the ultimate monster to kill real huge azure stacks is...the mighty gorgon. The best monster in HoMM3.
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WoGifier
Adventuring Hero
Revealer of Enlightment
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posted September 19, 2006 06:56 PM |
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Edited by WoGifier at 19:07, 19 Sep 2006.
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Bah! Of course you can beat so many azure dragons with such improved supreme archangels. But that's what i was talking about: The large and massive army. I said it is impossible to beat them w/o huge army. We said the same thing .
BTW, We shouldn't continue this dialogue. This is not the appropriate thread... Sorry for offing. Let's return to Succubus...
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Dragonbreath
Famous Hero
Me like dragons!
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posted October 04, 2006 01:38 AM |
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Here is the second best azure killer:
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How do you get those?! I've seen my opponent have "Powerful" Supreme Archangels before(they killed me), but I've never gotten them, even when I had Ace supreme archangels! Please tell me how to get them!
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Fnord
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted October 04, 2006 02:44 AM |
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How do you get those?! I've seen my opponent have "Powerful" Supreme Archangels before(they killed me), but I've never gotten them, even when I had Ace supreme archangels! Please tell me how to get them!
Visit an Emerald Tower and buy a bonus for your Supreme Archangels, and they'll get a new name (depending on the type of bonus).
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Jinxer
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posted July 14, 2009 09:35 PM |
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Edited by Jinxer at 21:36, 14 Jul 2009.
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Wow... I used to be A Veteran in Heroes 3 back in the day... and ofcourse LOVED the game.. I have since moved on to H4 then to H5 now... But I am amazed at some of what I am reading.. and hope that I have misunderstood... Did I read correctly that the armies now consist of 300,000 Ghosts... and 10,000 Demons etc... what kinda circus has become of the once great game 
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Salamandre
Admirable
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Wog refugee
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posted July 14, 2009 10:32 PM |
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lol, Jinxer drops an eye and concludes in one second
WoG has nothing to do with big armies, not more than the original game. You have big armies in SoD, you can have them here too. There are some chinese maps where you get some millions creatures, but it is their play style. My examples (300k ghosts) were from Chaser, the only chinese map I ever played and from "To kill for power", SOD map not wogified (10k demons).
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Jinxer
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posted July 14, 2009 10:59 PM |
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hope that I have misunderstood...
Well As I suspected I did misunderstand.. and I am glad to hear it. Just seemed silly to see your pics of 1100 Super Duper MEGA ULTRA Strong Angels killing a Dwarven treasury lol. Bit of over kill I think haha.
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Salamandre
Admirable
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Wog refugee
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posted July 14, 2009 11:02 PM |
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Edited by Cepheus at 16:54, 23 Jul 2011.
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Yes, it was from Chaser. It was the first over powered WoG map, and chinese. Became famous there because of huge armies. Fun to play but not to replay. I played it a lot because I learned to script from that map at first.
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