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alcibiades
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posted September 26, 2006 04:15 PM |
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Some of these artifacts are from Heroes 3, yes (the Inferno and Haven ones, mostly).
As for the race specific ones, I would myself prefer not to have race specific artifacts included. Also, if the current Artifact "sets" should be used, there's no way to do it even for all, because the Necromancy thing is already in the game, while there are no specific artifacts to the Academy or Fortress set.
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cantaresg
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posted September 26, 2006 06:17 PM |
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Thats right. Its unfair for other races to have only artefacts that increase necromancy. An example: artifacts that increase necromancy are useless for everyone except necromancers! There should be also some artifacts that nobody can use just one race. But on the other side, if there are that much artifacts usable for only one race, then there is a very small chance that you find an artifact that fits to you!!!
And tomes are missing! For example Tome of light - when equipped, hero has all light spells available, but can cast them on basic lvl only! Relics of course.
True that having such artifacts dampen the chances of you getting an artifact that suits you. But I quite like the combination artifacts that Alci proposed. It caters for everyone without requiring special racial artifacts to complete the set. Its just that the amulet of necromancy bugs me.
I think the Tomes are coming out in the expansion. Actually I do not like the presence of tomes very much in this game. It makes Arcane Omniscience somewhat less "ultimate" since the spells are so much more accessible now.
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alcibiades
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posted September 26, 2006 06:29 PM |
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I think the Tomes are coming out in the expansion. Actually I do not like the presence of tomes very much in this game. It makes Arcane Omniscience somewhat less "ultimate" since the spells are so much more accessible now.
True. Do remember, however, that Omniscience will allow you to cast them at Expert Level, whereas the Tomes probably just will give you access to the basic version of the spells. But actually, I think it's only a good think to scale the imporance of Arcance Omniscience down a bit - it is actually extremely powerfull as it is now, and compared to other abilities like Unstoppable Charge (thanx for nothing ...) it could do well with a bit of nerfing.
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Sindbad
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The lost soul
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posted September 26, 2006 07:07 PM |
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To that arcane omnisence - if you think that the spell list will be expanded (like in my or Alcs version) then the arcane omnisence would be a really heavy ultimate! I think it should be more slowed down like for example: allows hero to learn all spells and cast all spells at expert lvl. Or maybe other variance: teaches hero all spells that he is able to learn and allows him to cast all spells at expert lvl... Or something like that.
And its true, some ultimate abilities arent even worth learning how to obtain them! (Knight, Necromancer, Warlock...)
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cantaresg
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posted September 27, 2006 06:59 AM |
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Yes, if the spell list is going to be expanded. But I am looking at the current spell list.
Granted that the spells from tomes are obtained at basic level, while arcane omniscience is obtained at expert level. But there are some spells that are independent of spell mastery, and hence gaining the spell at basic level is much the same as expert level.
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Puppet master, blind, summon phoenix, teleportation.
There are some spells (as well) where at basic level, they are as powerful as advance level.
Unfortunately, these are all level 4-5 spells.
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alcibiades
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posted September 27, 2006 03:58 PM |
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Well, also remember that the Tome will occupy an Artifact slot (probably left hand) which is a serious issue because the new version of the game has so few (too few) artifact slots. And you will only get spells from one of the 4 schools with the Tome, Arcane Omniscience gives them all to you. I think it's still quite powerfull.
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Sindbad
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posted September 27, 2006 08:15 PM |
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I agree with Alc. (how obvious...)
And I suggest all spells should have different effect according to expertity.
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cantaresg
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posted September 28, 2006 06:38 AM |
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Well. that's true too. Hopefully they increase the number of slots while keeping the tomes in the left hand (if they are).
But I can hardly imagine how a wizard can survive with so limited number of spells while working towards Arcane Omniscience. I'm working on one now. Barely surviving. Haha.
These are my suggestions for the sets.
Set of Elemental Wrath
Emerald Slippers
Evercold Icicle
Phoenix Feather Cape
Trident of the Titans
Bonus:
Reduce elemental protection by 20%.
Deals 20% damage to creatures with elemental immunity. (Works on black dragon)
Set of Elemental Protection
Ring of Lightning Protection
Shield of Crystal Ice
Dragon Flame Tongue
Cloak of Sylanna
Bonus:
Increase elemental protection by 10%. Bonus applies after the effects from magic irresisbility and Elemental Wrath are computed(?).
Set of logistics
All seeing Crown
Boots of the Open Road
Sextant of the Sea Elves
Bonus:
Allows you to travel 10% futher on land
Allows you to see the number of creatures in neutral armies, enemy heroes, towns and garrisons.
Set of Leprechuan
Lion's Crown
Four leave Clover
Golden Horseshoe
Bonus:
Gains the Resourceful effect.
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alcibiades
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posted September 28, 2006 07:15 AM |
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Nice ones! Would you mind if I make tables for them, as with the other set?
A few comments >
I think the elemental protection set has too small of a bonus. Should rather be 20 % or 25 % I think.
Set of Logistics > Wouldn't it be fair to add some Sea-bonuses (kind of like the old Sea-captains hat? No Whirlpool penalty and/or no boarding penalty (or only half boarding penalty)?
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cantaresg
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posted September 28, 2006 07:44 AM |
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Frankly, I had never tried using the whirlpool as yet. Does it still kill of some units while entering the whirlpool? I think it'll be fine to negate the whirlpool penalty then. But unless another artifact is included in the set, I fear that the no/half boarding penalty may be overpowered for a two major/ one minor set?
As for the elemental protection, I do agree that the bonus is quite pathetic. But the artifacts themselves have reduced the damage by 50%. So if it grants further protection, it is really tough for destructive spells to deal any damage. Perhaps as a further bonus, it reduces the effects of master of storm, master of fire and master of ice? And increase the protection to 15%? (I tried to reduce the bonus as it comprises 4 minor artifacts. Too easy to obtain).
Feel free to add the suggestions to the table. Thanks.
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alcibiades
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posted September 29, 2006 02:37 PM |
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Frankly, I had never tried using the whirlpool as yet. Does it still kill of some units while entering the whirlpool? I think it'll be fine to negate the whirlpool penalty then. But unless another artifact is included in the set, I fear that the no/half boarding penalty may be overpowered for a two major/ one minor set?
I had the exact same thoughts. The Whirlpool damage is still there - even more severe than in Heroes 3 I think - so that would be a nice bonus to add, without being overly powerfull.
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As for the elemental protection, I do agree that the bonus is quite pathetic. But the artifacts themselves have reduced the damage by 50%. So if it grants further protection, it is really tough for destructive spells to deal any damage. Perhaps as a further bonus, it reduces the effects of master of storm, master of fire and master of ice? And increase the protection to 15%? (I tried to reduce the bonus as it comprises 4 minor artifacts. Too easy to obtain).
I know they are only minor artifacts, and I agree it should not be too powerfull - I think the negation of the "Master Of" bonuses is a brilliant idea! However, even though the bonus should not be too large, it should not be insignificant - after all, you have to wear all 4 artifacts, which blocks you from wearing artifacts you might prefer because they are more powerfull. I'd settle for 20 % or 15 % reduction, and negation of skill bonuses.
Updated list of combination artifacts here, including ideas of cantaresg:
Notice how the Garments of Irresistable Charm is effectively a combination of the Lion and Leprechaun set. Also notice how the Elemental Shield and Elemental Trident can be equipped simultaneously. A few artifacts have been modified very slightly to make them fit (slot, bonus, name, etc.).
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whiteknight
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posted September 30, 2006 08:47 AM |
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I can't see any images above 
My idea for compound artifacts - that some of them can be compound in different manner like constructor to reach different side effect.
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alcibiades
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posted September 30, 2006 09:20 AM |
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Strange - seems to be no problem with the server. You still can't see them?
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Sindbad
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posted September 30, 2006 09:49 AM |
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Why dont you shrink your images, Alc? Or maybe you make it too complicated with those artifact icons...
Or you should try to wait a bit longer, Whiteknight... Till the loading is complete - you know, there is a loading bar on the bottom of internet explorer, that indicates whether the page has loaded everithing...
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cantaresg
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posted October 01, 2006 07:59 PM |
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I'm thinking if the server or my network is having problem. I'm not able to load the pages very well. And yes, I can't see the pictures either.
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alcibiades
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posted October 01, 2006 10:35 PM |
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I've found out that our main server has had some problems within the last days. That's probably why you can't see them. Hopefully, it's back soon. Sorry for that.
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cantaresg
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posted October 02, 2006 08:04 PM |
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Thats a nice combination of the Lion and the Leprechuan set. It'll be interesting if certain combination of artifacts actually give you some common secondary skills. Perhaps things like elemental waistband and phoenix feather cape can give you master of conjuration?
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alcibiades
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posted October 03, 2006 12:09 AM |
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Doh! There is a typo however - or, the combined artifact of both Lion and Leprechaun set should of course give you both minimum Morale AND Luck of +1.
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cantaresg
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posted October 03, 2006 05:07 AM |
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I took a brief glimpse on the new list of combination artifacts previously. But somehow, I think some of the images failed to load again.
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alcibiades
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posted October 07, 2006 01:55 PM |
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Images uploaded at Photobucket now - so hopefully should work during server downtime.
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