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Ted
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posted October 24, 2006 02:48 PM |
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Edited by Ted at 20:13, 05 Nov 2006.
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Stuff we want to from the old games
In Heroes 5 you have one type of hero (per race), i believe there should be two (or three, i'm not sure).
The Confirmed one
Primamy Hero (the old hero)
Knight
Wizard
Necromancer
Demon Lord
Ranger
Warlock
Rune Mage
Second Hero (the new one) abilty
Monk Angelic Leadership
Alchamist Alchemy
Dead Knight Necromancry (like the necromancer)
Fire Mage Fire Magic
Druid Healership
Overlord Nobility
Miner Gluidmaster Mining
Original
Haven
Knight OR Cleric
Sylvan
Ranger OR Scouter
Academy
Wizard OR Alchemist
Inferno
Heritic OR Demonic (a demon lord is far to generalised)
Necroplis
Necromancer OR Dark Knight (dark knight is made from a normal knight into dark knight by a Necromancer, must have Expert Necromancey or higher and the Shrine of the underworld upgraded, (need name)).
Dungeon
Warloc OR Witch (Sorcerer to generalised)
All of these new heroes will have there own special abilitys and a new hero rider, eg Academy Wizard has elephant, Alchemist has cammel.
Necroplis
New Necropolis power, albility to change living knights into Dark Knights and that units should change
Skeleton-->Skelton Archer
Zombie-->Plague Zombie
Ghost-->Spectre
Lich-->Archlich
Vampire-->Vampire Lord
Genie-->Cusred Genie (maybe out of place)
Wraith-->Reaper
I would like a lot of feedback so please send your posts.
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Fortress_fan
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posted October 24, 2006 09:03 PM |
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It is generaly looking good. However, I would perfer:
Haven
Cleric OR Knight
Sylvan
Herbalist OR Ranger
Academy
Wizard OR Alchemist
Inferno
Heritic OR Demoniac
Necroplis
Necromancer OR Dead Knight
Dungeon
Warlock OR Overlord
Fortress
Runemage OR Mounitan king
Scaranticury (how do you spell it?)
Beastmaster OR Witch
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yasmiel
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posted October 24, 2006 09:04 PM |
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Edited by yasmiel at 21:06, 24 Oct 2006.
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Many argued about would 1 or 2 heroes per faction be better,.. i think it was 50%-50% .... IMHO, 1 hero per faction is better, but others have their opinion...
Now, reason why you wont get many replies is that its less than 1% likely that such change will be implemented in H5.. and comunity concentrates on things that have higher possibilitie of being changed and/or implemented.
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Ted
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posted October 24, 2006 11:12 PM |
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It is generaly looking good. However, I would perfer:
Haven
Cleric OR Knight
Sylvan
Herbalist OR Ranger
Academy
Wizard OR Alchemist
Inferno
Heritic OR Demoniac
Necroplis
Necromancer OR Dead Knight
Dungeon
Warlock OR Overlord
Fortress
Runemage OR Mounitan king
Scaranticury (how do you spell it?)
Beastmaster OR Witch
Thamks for your reply guys, i do think that this one is good, what is Scaranticury, i can get what others are just that one, also i noticed you did not say anything about necromancers changeing knights into Dead Kinghts (name changed, this one is better).
yasmeil your conern is valid but i like this thread so it will stay.
O i need an upgrade for Shrine of the underworld, keep sending those posts!
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Dragonbreath
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posted October 24, 2006 11:45 PM |
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Shrine of Tortured Souls maybe? Also, plese don't swich lich with vapire. In all Heroes games, lich was lvl 5 and vampire was lvl 4. And genies don't fit in Necropolis. The traditional Black Kinght -> Dread Knight maybe? Also, wraith doesn't fit in lvl 7. Traditionally, it's an evil spirt that can shift between the material and imaterial world, and I picture that as a lvl 3, like in Heroes 3. I'd perfer you take out ghosts and replace them with wraiths. For lvl 7 I'd say reaper -> soul reaper.
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vhilhu
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posted October 24, 2006 11:51 PM |
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and i suggest ghost -> banshee, not spectre. a single female haunt.
and personally i hate skeleton archers. melee skellies were better. it was so nice to collect a big bunch of them and them let them CHARGE.. not just shoot from the back row. and archers are too tough to kill, too.
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Ted
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posted October 25, 2006 10:05 AM |
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Shrine of Tortured Souls maybe? Also, plese don't swich lich with vapire. In all Heroes games, lich was lvl 5 and vampire was lvl 4. And genies don't fit in Necropolis. The traditional Black Kinght -> Dread Knight maybe? Also, wraith doesn't fit in lvl 7. Traditionally, it's an evil spirt that can shift between the material and imaterial world, and I picture that as a lvl 3, like in Heroes 3. I'd perfer you take out ghosts and replace them with wraiths. For lvl 7 I'd say reaper -> soul reaper.
Thanks for your replys, shrine of tortured Souls does sound good to me, but it sounds like something to do with ghosts/specters (posible power boost). I very much like black knight-->dread knight but the new hero unit is called Dead Knight, but i put Genie because necroplis is hidden within Academy and Haven, they could have taken some bad genies.
Now specters, no i like specters just the way they are. Same for skeleton archers.
Skeleton-->Skeleton Archer
Zombie-->Plague Zombie
Ghost-->Spectre
Vampire-->Vampire Lord
Lich-->Arch Lich
Black Knight-->Dread Knight
Reaper-->Soul Reaper (can not be resurrected, if attacted by Soul Reaper).
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Fortress_fan
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posted October 25, 2006 01:31 PM |
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Remove usless Zombies, put Ghosts as Level 2 and mummies as level 3. 
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Dragonbreath
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posted October 25, 2006 02:08 PM |
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Or mummies could be lvl 2. The zombies need to be removed, though. I said replace the ghost because then we could have ghosts as neutral creature with their traditional special. And although I see your point about the necros taking genies with them, it still doen't fit. In H3 there were Death Knights as heroes, so I think it'll be fine. If you still don't agree, I'd suggest Cursed Genie -> Dark Genie. And don't you think the soul reaper's ability, though fitting, is too overpowered?
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Ted
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posted October 25, 2006 11:25 PM |
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Very well, i will now consider mummies as level 2/3, but thinking of mummies made me think of werewolfs, what do you think about that. Also ghosts/specters are unseful in an army, but i think they should stay.
Genies now, perhaps Dark Genie-->Deacesed Genie, thats up for dabate, so consider...
Skeltons-->Skeleton Archers (same)
Mummies-->Anicent Mummies (instead of zombies)
Werewolf-->Possesed Werewolf (instead of ghosts (open for debate))
Vampire-->Vampire Lord (same, but can cast spells and use magic)
Dark Gemie-->Deacesed Genie (instead of Lichs)
Black Knight-->Dread Kinght (instead of Wights)
Reaper--> Soul Reaper (instead of Bone Dragons)
Idea
Maybe have unit like a nightmare or unicorn, but dead and has for legs three sets of bones for legs, and has griffens wings maybe dragonish, i dont know.
Well this seems to being going into a rather large debate, but lets remember this is about a different set of heroes per faction
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Dragonbreath
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posted October 26, 2006 12:14 AM |
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Werewolves are totaly non-necro, plese take them out. And give necro back the liches! They're the only shooter! I would also suggest taking out the genies/knights if you're going to make the Thestral-like creature. I'd like it as the lvl 6 though, it would be very unique.
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Ted
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posted October 27, 2006 10:08 AM |
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Werewolves are totaly non-necro, plese take them out. And give necro back the liches! They're the only shooter! I would also suggest taking out the genies/knights if you're going to make the Thestral-like creature. I'd like it as the lvl 6 though, it would be very unique.
Skeltons-->Skeleton Archers (same)
Mummies-->Anicent Mummies (instead of zombies)
Werewolf-->Possesed Werewolf (instead of ghosts (open for debate))
Vampire-->Vampire Lord (same, but can cast spells and use magic)
Dark Genie-->Deacesed Genie (instead of Lichs)
Black Knight-->Dread Kinght (instead of Wights)
Reaper--> Soul Reaper (instead of Bone Dragons)
Fine, it was only a proposal anyway, although werewolf seems a good idea to me, so maybe we could make a town with that. Also i like the knights, but the genies can go and lichs are back as well. Wait i just noiced, so you think that the Mummies are acceptable, hmm. Fine new units.
Skeltons-->Skeleton Archers (same)
Mummies-->Anicent Mummies (instead of zombies)
Ghosts-->Specter (same)
Vampire-->Vampire Lord (same)
Lich-->Arch Lich (same)
Black Kinght-->Dread Knight (instaed of wights)
Reasper-->Soul Reaper (instead of bone dragon)
Maybe we could use the werewolfs, zombies and bone dragons as neutral units, the game needs a few. And again lets keep to the topic about a new set of heros and not just necroplis fixes.
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Ted
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posted October 27, 2006 07:59 PM |
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In heroes 5 there are only 10 (i think) neutral units. Now i think we should propose new ones, to start use off.
Werewolf-->Possesed Werewolf
Undead unit, unlimted retaleation for PW
level 4
Deacesed Djinn
Can not be reasurrected, and has a few spells
level 5
Giant Steel Golem (its just like a colossus/titan, but has 4 heads and 1 sword)
some history: experiments on a new more powerful level 7 unit in academy towns has made i new unit with uncontrol ibilite.
can be fixed by gremlins, can throw sword at enemy but loses it, in place for a less powerful axe.
level 7
Remember these are neutral so there are thousands of posibilities, these are just a few, want feed back, Ted.
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Dragonbreath
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posted October 28, 2006 03:45 AM |
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Azure Dragon:
The lovable destructive dragon from H3.
Level 10
Dracolich:
Similar to the bone dragons, but more powerful and can shoot.
Level 7
Sharpshooter:
Again from H3. One of the best archers in the game.
Level 3/4
Pegusus:
The winged horse from H3.
Level 4/5
Ghost:
I'm BEGGING you to replace the ghosts with another ghost-like creature, so they can become neutral and get their specialty back.
Level 2
Medusa:
Like in H2-4. Shooter I guess.
Level 3/4/5(?)
Halflings:
Yes, I know I'm taking a lot of these from H3, but it's the only Heroes game I play.
Level 1
I actually think that I like the evil genies as the lvl 6, as long as they're not living.
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Ted
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posted October 28, 2006 12:28 PM |
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Azure Dragon:
The lovable destructive dragon from H3.
Level 10
Dracolich:
Similar to the bone dragons, but more powerful and can shoot.
Level 7
Sharpshooter:
Again from H3. One of the best archers in the game.
Level 3/4
Pegusus:
The winged horse from H3.
Level 4/5
Ghost:
I'm BEGGING you to replace the ghosts with another ghost-like creature, so they can become neutral and get their specialty back.
Level 2
Medusa:
Like in H2-4. Shooter I guess.
Level 3/4/5(?)
Halflings:
Yes, I know I'm taking a lot of these from H3, but it's the only Heroes game I play.
Level 1
I actually think that I like the evil genies as the lvl 6, as long as they're not living.
Thanks Dragonbreath, some nice stuff here but if i replace ghost with something else, well i have nothing to replace it with but im sure we can think of something.
Halflings, well there are dwarfs fraction coming out soon so i dont think it would go. Pegusus i think can be added to a fraction but never the less it needs to be in H5. Dragonlich seems ok, same for Sharpshooter, and finally a level 10 unit will not due perhaps level 7 upgrade, but the Azure Dragon needs a bit of work.
New neutrals
Smugler
tax payer
level 3
Levithan
immune to water, ice spells but weaker to fire
level 6 or 7
Pikemen-->Halberiers
like heroes 3 but level 3
doulble attack for Halberiers
Thats the news cant wait for your replies, Ted.
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Dragonbreath
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posted October 28, 2006 02:05 PM |
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Good job! But the dwarf faction is already out(it's called the fortress), so halflings can be neutral. Harpies too, I guess. What other creatures do you have in mind? I'm stumped.
Here's what I think Necro should look like:
Skeleton -> Skeleton Warrior(like in H3)
Mummy -> Ancient Mummy(like in H2)
Spectre -> Wraith
Vampire -> Vampire Lord
Lich -> Arch Lich
Cursed Genie -> Dark Genie(like you proposed)
Reaper -> Soul Reaper(like I proposed)
This will make Necro so much better.
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Ted
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posted October 28, 2006 11:38 PM |
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Good job! But the dwarf faction is already out(it's called the fortress), so halflings can be neutral. Harpies too, I guess. What other creatures do you have in mind? I'm stumped.
Here's what I think Necro should look like:
Skeleton -> Skeleton Warrior(like in H3)
Mummy -> Ancient Mummy(like in H2)
Spectre -> Wraith
Vampire -> Vampire Lord
Lich -> Arch Lich
Cursed Genie -> Dark Genie(like you proposed)
Reaper -> Soul Reaper(like I proposed)
This will make Necro so much better.
Well thats good but unfortunatly its cant really work, Skeleton Warrior has to be ranged, (i don think it is) or something else has to be, but other than that irs ok.
Halfings, maybe make another fraction and put them in it, like the "Shire" or "The Farm". hmm other neutrals well, im stumped, but i madw some units for the Halfings.
Halfing-->Armoured Halfing
level 1
Hobbit-->?
level 2
Ox Raider--> Heavy Ox Raider
level 4
Well thats it, so i need some help, Ted.
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yasmiel
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posted October 28, 2006 11:50 PM |
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taxpaying smugler?
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Ted
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posted October 29, 2006 11:11 AM |
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taxpaying smugler?
not my best idea, i know but lets see you make abilitys for new troops everyday.
No new units yet.
Also we coould make suggestions on other fractions not just, Necro, maybe the new Fortress or good old Haven, perhaps even Inferno?
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Ted
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posted October 29, 2006 06:38 PM |
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Edited by Ted at 18:40, 29 Oct 2006.
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New Faction: Deminion
In the days of old when Academy was being founded, a group of people believed that Religion and the Monarchary was the answer not Science, they rebelled but were brought down in days.
They then went into hidding, only showing themselves in secret. Now they have rision, to become a powerful new faction Deminion, this new group of religious people worship Pierus, there King and Leader of the Deminion.
Units
Longbowman-->Elite Longbowman level 3
Highricy-->Grand Highricer level 6
Buildings:
Cathedral: builds level 6 spellcaster, Highricy-->Grand Highricer
Hope for some reviews, Ted.
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