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diegis
diegis


Supreme Hero
power of Zamolxis
posted January 16, 2007 11:03 PM
Edited by diegis at 23:36, 16 Jan 2007.

NECRO ON BATTLE FOR HONOUR?!

It is well known that playing against Necros on the map 'Battle for Honor', is almost impossible to win. Is just a fact verified twice by me and some other players.
So,I opened this post for finding some other players opinion. The idea is, that I think this fact has to be noticed here, in the forum.
So,the called 'rushing' fact with necros give opponent no chance, especially when playing with Kaspar.
I wait other players opinion, and ask all heroes about reconsidering necros on 'battle for honor' in clan games.
It's not funny anymore...

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insatiable
insatiable


Supreme Hero
Ultimate N00bidity
posted January 16, 2007 11:38 PM


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diegis
diegis


Supreme Hero
power of Zamolxis
posted January 16, 2007 11:41 PM
Edited by diegis at 23:47, 16 Jan 2007.

 I don't know if u caught the idea...of this post.-informing the newbies about the 'risk'....
 By the way, wanna play?
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cycleguy
cycleguy


Adventuring Hero
Runs through cornfields naked
posted January 17, 2007 04:01 AM
Edited by cycleguy at 04:29, 17 Jan 2007.

Sounds like a challenge to me!!!  You can have necro..hell you can have Kaspar too, ill be anyone but warlock or academy, Let me know if your up for it, might be a nice way to steal tons of points from me :-)

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sq79
sq79


Famous Hero
posted January 17, 2007 07:13 AM

Its all hotting up on the clan games
Necros are worst and crazily overpowered in maps with single towns without dwellings rather than 2 town maps like bfh with level 2,3,4 dwellings..
Imho .. haven, sylvan might be able to provide an answer.

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cycleguy
cycleguy


Adventuring Hero
Runs through cornfields naked
posted January 17, 2007 10:19 AM

I agree, in one town maps necro is awsome, but deleb, havez and vittorio can usually rush necro on even those maps like penninsula, mystics vale and dead mans lake, just ask Ghasteater who put my little undead to shame two times in a row as I made him a Lord
Ghast was able to rush me through the two stacks of wraiths on BFH week 3 day 2 even after week two was a plague week with sylvian, SQ you just showed me you could break the devils in battle for honor week 4 day 3 with sylvian I'm not saying sylvian is overpowered, they just know how to use them, thats why thier Lords

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fiur
fiur


Promising
Supreme Hero
Map Creator
posted January 17, 2007 11:45 AM

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I agree, in one town maps necro is awsome, but deleb, havez and vittorio can usually rush necro on even those maps like penninsula, mystics vale and dead mans lake, just ask Ghasteater who put my little undead to shame two times in a row as I made him a Lord
Ghast was able to rush me through the two stacks of wraiths on BFH week 3 day 2 even after week two was a plague week with sylvian, SQ you just showed me you could break the devils in battle for honor week 4 day 3 with sylvian I'm not saying sylvian is overpowered, they just know how to use them, thats why thier Lords


Guess that was on the DML map..... Ghast is an really good player he kicked my ass several times..... (but then again it's a "good" way to learn this game......    
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Ghasteater
Ghasteater


Known Hero
posted January 17, 2007 11:54 AM

Yeh map was DML...

And seems Haven is good Bane to necros on BFH If you mean Necro-Angelic challenge.

With sylvan most depends how many wood they found

And arlifact as Unicorn Bow can break game, as in Karim vs Keops game...


Also iget sinuation when Passage can be borken at 2-nd week. But seems it is too rare and anyway better broke week3.

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insatiable
insatiable


Supreme Hero
Ultimate N00bidity
posted January 17, 2007 03:48 PM
Edited by insatiable at 16:00, 17 Jan 2007.

Quote:
in one town maps necro is awsome
meaning: in maps with few animals, cause there are 1 town maps out there that have dwellings around and are not poor in resources

i feel, as in all homm series, poor maps in resources and animals always produced disbalances, hurting those alignements who need creature power the most
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diegis
diegis


Supreme Hero
power of Zamolxis
posted January 17, 2007 10:43 PM
Edited by diegis at 22:47, 17 Jan 2007.

Quote:
Sounds like a challenge to me!!!  You can have necro..hell you can have Kaspar too, ill be anyone but warlock or academy, Let me know if your up for it, might be a nice way to steal tons of points from me :-)


Dont tel me?! Why are u refusing to play against Dougal then?!...just words mate...gl
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cycleguy
cycleguy


Adventuring Hero
Runs through cornfields naked
posted January 18, 2007 03:25 AM

I just want to prove it's not that Necro is overpowered by letting you have necro and me someone else...and if your right you get easy points.

As for Dougal, yes you are right I did decline to play a clan due to that.  But when someone told me the entire clan was going to only play dougal the entire tournament it realy kinda made me not want to play them.  This game is about learning and trying to become better, not chosing the most powerful combo you can find and hope for the best.  So far you've suggested eliminating rewards for past clan leaders and eliminating necro from clans all together, what's next?  When someone rushes me I ask myself how can I play better and faster to prevent that and ive learned a lot that way.  

I don't like emails because I know this is going to come off in a bad tone..but it's not, I actually thought just like you in the past about things and I honestly think your a good player who I hope to play someday.  I guess I only learn from getting my ass whooped, just ask SQ79 hes king at putting me in my place and Karim26 showed me tons of strategies and things about the game I never knew.  So if your up for a fun ToH game sometime just let me know, id love to be the one who pushes somebody to be better instead of the one who has always been pushed.

Hopefully still one of your heroes buddies,
Scott

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Jinxer
Jinxer


Legendary Hero
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posted January 18, 2007 08:36 AM

For the record.... I always require that both players play random heroes.  And on top of that...will request that powerful heroes like Deleb - Ossir - Dougal be banned as main hero.  Those heroes are more of a campaign type hero and not a serious multiplayer based hero. It amazes me when people grumble when I say we need to go Random heroes. They cridnge at the thought of having to play a normal hero that isnt suped up!  

As for dominate races.... Ubisoft had a nice vision of making the towns sooo unique , each having there special advantage.... however the problem is the maps.  As you pointed out, some maps this race and that race are dominate other maps other races are. Which means that Ubisoft did not succeed 100% in there multiplayer attempts.  This game is great fun, and I do LOVE it. Has ALOT of great concepts and new features... but what it lacks is that ability of the towns to have there unique advantages and at the same time have that aura of balanced. I am not saying each towns level 7's need to have same hit points and same damage etc etc... But depending on the type and style of map.... certain town matchups dont stand a chance. If the game was correctly balanced, all town matchups would beable to atleast compete no matter what map...

And please no flames... I love the game and will continue playing it.  But after reading of how people are exploiting weaknesses in maps and races and how they matchup to that map is disappointing. Like taking Deleb and rushing a map week 3....when your opponent got a town that cant take the guards until week 5.  Think about that.  If Player A...can beat 60 Arch Devils week 3 and Player B cant.  How do you suppose Player B is gonna beable to offer any challange to Player A?  And I guess if people feel they need to find and play only the maps and heroes and use the exploits that allows them to get those fast rush wins, then we can start calling this game WarCraft. Start the game and 32 secs into game here comes swarms of creatures destroying town... Woohooo... that was fun.


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fiur
fiur


Promising
Supreme Hero
Map Creator
posted January 18, 2007 09:16 AM

Good Post Jinxer!!!! I agree in most of your terms....
(I also like to play with random heroes.....)

and as U say the big problem with H5 is to find (make) a map who "fit" into all fractions...... thats not easy.....
I've played a "few" games..... some on heroic mostly on Hard with and without random town.....
I've also let players choose any heroes they like.....
(in other terms I've played any style my opponent like)

And yes I can easly see major leaks in ballance, but then again I play for the fun (and course for the challenge!)
And I've seen many skillful players who can handle any race on any map against any fractions.....
So I quess if U are skillfull enough U can do better......  
(Personally speaking practice makes a "better" hero.....)


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the_teacher
the_teacher


Supreme Hero
Talk to the hand!
posted January 18, 2007 01:07 PM

all in all, its the most balanced version and it even exceeded my expectation.

whines not allowed !

learning the game will fill-up the so-called "gaps" in game balance, skill will prevail. and i mean SKILL , not some buggy maps exploit that helped some to climb the ladder, same as it happend back in h4 with dog days, now there are peninsula and land of outcast.

i'm talking about unreal records, like 40-2 or so. it happend only because players turned into poets! reproducing every single time the same poetry (with a cheap strategy read from forums)and used on some noobs who accepted to play THEIR game. i'd say "noobs" just because they didnt learned poetry, not because they have less experience.

h5 is a game of skill and imagination. and it should stay like this.
more maps, more desillusions for poets.



the days of cheap victories will be over soon, trust me.



have a nice day

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fiur
fiur


Promising
Supreme Hero
Map Creator
posted January 18, 2007 01:14 PM

Quote:
the days of cheap victories will be over soon, trust me.



Yes I pretty sure these days are over....!!!!
(a lame way to get easy points......)

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diegis
diegis


Supreme Hero
power of Zamolxis
posted January 18, 2007 07:51 PM

Quote:
I just want to prove it's not that Necro is overpowered by letting you have necro and me someone else...and if your right you get easy points.

As for Dougal, yes you are right I did decline to play a clan due to that.  But when someone told me the entire clan was going to only play dougal the entire tournament it realy kinda made me not want to play them.  This game is about learning and trying to become better, not chosing the most powerful combo you can find and hope for the best.  So far you've suggested eliminating rewards for past clan leaders and eliminating necro from clans all together, what's next?  When someone rushes me I ask myself how can I play better and faster to prevent that and ive learned a lot that way.  

I don't like emails because I know this is going to come off in a bad tone..but it's not, I actually thought just like you in the past about things and I honestly think your a good player who I hope to play someday.  I guess I only learn from getting my ass whooped, just ask SQ79 hes king at putting me in my place and Karim26 showed me tons of strategies and things about the game I never knew.  So if your up for a fun ToH game sometime just let me know, id love to be the one who pushes somebody to be better instead of the one who has always been pushed.

Hopefully still one of your heroes buddies,
Scott


Cycle,I see u take it personally, but dont need to ... I care about learning, thats y I opened this post mate. I've just found loads of things and still will, hoping to do this all the time. This is the FUN of the game, otherwise would be too boring.
I wanted to know y LordN told me u wont play against Dougal on that map. Also, I lost and will lot of games , but this doesn't mean I dont have to ask.... Its the learning main issue.
So dont get me wrong, try understand I have to ask for finding....agree?
In ur answer it seemed u could beat anything on every map, thats where my answer came like that...
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diegis
diegis


Supreme Hero
power of Zamolxis
posted January 18, 2007 08:00 PM
Edited by diegis at 20:09, 18 Jan 2007.



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vesuvius
vesuvius

Hero of Order
Honor Above all Else
posted January 18, 2007 08:28 PM

Well if I start playing again, I will demand random hero.  No picking hero nonsense.  Not sure why you guys agree to that in the first place.
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cycleguy
cycleguy


Adventuring Hero
Runs through cornfields naked
posted January 18, 2007 11:50 PM
Edited by cycleguy at 00:31, 19 Jan 2007.

I almost always go random heroes too, unless vs SQ because he and I play some crazy games, but even then we go random most of the time.

Well this will definately be my last post on this matter, since I find the original topic of eliminating Necoro from clans rediculous anyway.  I never meant I could beat anything on any map, I honestly just wanted to play you on Battle for Honor taking the "unfair" side because I thought it would be a challenge for me and would show you there are several strategies to beat necro.  With 52 losses (the second most in all ToH) I definately would not say I can beat anything on any map lol.

Please dont reply to this Diegis if your only going to say something like "why wont you play vs. Dougal then?", or "You take this personnally" or "you think you can beat anything on any map".  I just wanted to play a game with you where you thought you had the advantage and I didn't, that's it and nothing more, belive me I wont make that mistake again.  If you really wanted to learn I would think you would be willing to let someone show you and not suggest altering a tournament.  In my posts all I asked was to play you and its the only thing you didnt reply to.  Most people just say ok



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Ghasteater
Ghasteater


Known Hero
posted January 19, 2007 02:22 AM

Quote:
Well if I start playing again, I will demand random hero.


He-he Ves can return to HOMM battles.

What settings you like, Ves??? Especially about time per turn
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