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Archmage_Faiz
Archmage_Faiz


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posted January 26, 2007 11:21 AM - penalty applied by alcibiades on 07 Mar 2008.

Poll Question:
The Sanctuary vs. The Stronghold

There have been many speculations about which town that will be implemented in the next add-on. I for myself, believes that the Naga Sanctuary will be the next faction to se the light. However let’s compare them:

The Naga Sanctuary:

Alignment: Probably (complete) Neutral
Possible Spell schools: Summoning and Destructive
Possible Hero: Warden/Diviner (Defense and Knowledge?)

+:

¤ They are mentoried as a race in the "Sanctuary faction" in the collectors edition
¤ There is a picture of a "naga temple" out which reveals a possible dwelling to a naga spellcasting unit (Enchanter, Dirviner?)
¤ They have a possible capitol on the map.
¤ No one has Swamp as a native terrain
¤ Nagas where popular among old Heroes III gamers who have won many battles with them, and Ubival must have scraped them for some reason (more logical would be the unpopular gargs).
¤ Fortress is quite popular among the fans, and Ubival seems to look inside the forums, so they may want to milk money out of Fortress fans (like my big brother ).

-:

¤ Has not been mentoried in the campaigns yet (though they could assist the good guys in the fight against the evil Duplicate and her demons).
¤ I don't know if it is true, but I heard some where that Shallasa is the weakest dragon, even weaker than Sylrath.



The Orcen Stronghold:

Agiliment: Probably Chaotic Neutral
Possible Spell schools: Dark and Destructive
Possible hero: Barbarian (Attack and Defense?)


+:

¤ Has been mentoried by Raelag in the campaign.
¤ Has a great amount of fans in the community
¤ Has a dragon to worship (Sylrath)

-:

¤ No clues from Nival point at them (yet).
¤ That City in Rannar has been revealed as a Human town (in DM)
¤ There is no native terrain left for them (correct me if I am wrong here, please).

I believe in the Sanctuary. We will probably se the Orcs in HOMMVI.

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Sanctuary
Stronghold
Other
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Fortress_fan
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posted January 26, 2007 11:28 AM

You are lucky who have a free day when others have to go to an IC on the lunch-break (It is only 50 minutes, so I have to write this fast).

Anyway, yes the naga chics are next in, I have a feeling that they will become one of my favorites (Right now it is Haven and Necropolis).
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alcibiades
alcibiades


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of Gold Dragons
posted January 26, 2007 11:41 AM

A few comments here:

- "They (Naga Sanctuary) are mentoried as a race in the "Sanctuary faction" in the collectors edition" - can you elaborate this? In what way are they mentioned?

- About the Swamp terrain: If Karthal is indeed a Naga town, it's unlikely to have Swamp as its native terrain. Karthal is actually placed on what looks like some watery plains summoned over wastelands - this may symbolize a number of things, but since we have seen the Heroes 6 (?) map that has a Swamp nation (Hashima) to the east of Heresh, I don't think we'll have Swamp terrain in Heroes 5. Also remember the Tundra texture that was included in the HoF data folder!?

- There are terrain types "left" for the Orcs - roughlands / wastelands would be an obvious guess, or maybe some sort of plainsland.

And then there's all the speculation - like the fact that the Heroes 6 map shows a Swamp nation (Naga?) and another Dessert nation (likely to be orc as interpreted from some of the Hero storylines: "His scars are the result of an encounter with Desert Orcs... (Faiz)") - which to me tells me that we will see neither Naga nor Orc in Heroes 5. I therefore voted "Other". I have guesses (wishes) for what that might be - but time will show what the good Nival people have up their sleave.
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Elvin
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posted January 26, 2007 12:48 PM

Quote:
I have guesses (wishes) for what that might be - but time will show what the good Nival people have up their sleave.


So if you had one try to guess which would it be?
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alcibiades
alcibiades


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of Gold Dragons
posted January 26, 2007 12:58 PM

Quote:
So if you had one try to guess which would it be?


Uhm - my wish would be Elemental Conflux. But I honestly don't believe in that one. I actually don't know what it will be - and I don't dare to guess at it. But I have a strong feeling that Naga, Orc and Centaur will come in Heroes 6.
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relentless
relentless


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posted January 26, 2007 01:01 PM
Edited by relentless at 13:02, 26 Jan 2007.

I'm pretty sure the next race would be orcs, but I voted other. I  want something original. Instead of just reusing the boring old ideas, these people should try something radical - like making a new, believable race. Nothing personal against Orcs (I love orcs ) and Nagas, but there's plenty of fresh ideas out there.
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GenieLord
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posted January 26, 2007 01:29 PM

I prefer the Nagas...
But still, I'm quite sure that the Orcs will be in the next expandsion.
They are allready in the game's history, there are their artifact, there are mentions about their creatures (like: Gremlins come from Goblins).
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yasmiel
yasmiel


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posted January 26, 2007 02:07 PM

As much as i would like to see both factions, if i had to pick it would be orcs... because this game desperately needs a might faction other than haven.

And again, if H6 is ever to be made it would be same thing over again, few factions to start with then expansions to bring 1-2 more.. which makes exotic factions like centaur practicly impossible to get.
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Elvin
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posted January 26, 2007 04:54 PM

Nagas for me. It's certainly a more refreshing option than orcs but if something else and entirely new came out I'd probably like it. Just stay out of mechanical thingies...
A faceless town with them appearing again and interfering directly in the main campaign would spice things up and offer new possibilities. Or a town that consists of a blind brother/dragon knights alliance with mystical creatures/archons. Even a faction of outside of Ashan defenders in aid of the good side(could have any form) though I would prefer something darker. Too many goody-two-shoes around!
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Doomforge
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Retired Hero
posted January 26, 2007 05:09 PM

orcs and nagas, please!


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Daystar
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Back from the Dead
posted January 26, 2007 10:26 PM

My theories:

Expansion 1: Dwarves (Duh)
Expansion 2: Nagas or Orcs
Expansion 3: Nagas or Orcs

Heroes VI: Humans, Wizards, Elves, Dark Elves/Dungon, Dwarves, Orcs, Undead, Inferno, Nagas. (8 out of the 9)

Expansion 1: Revamp of whatever was left out.  Probobally Inferno or Dungeon
Expansion 2: Centaurs and other Beastmen/Conflux
Expansion 3: Conflux/Centaurs and other Beastmen/something new

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emilsn
emilsn


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posted January 26, 2007 10:31 PM

Well The orcs have no dragon, they do not believe in anything since they are made by magic(mages made them) and they excaped the wizards slaveri and went out in the desert.... And then in DM you got another tribe a tribe that traveled away from the desert...

Nagas, hmm... I hope they put both new factions in the game since 3 expansions is way to much...

(P.S. the orc have no dragon, i think VokialBG (or what is his name), he calls himself The vampire king or something, i remeber he said that they have no dragon. Don't hang me up on that)

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baklava
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posted January 26, 2007 11:14 PM

Why wouldn't orcs have a dragon? I mean, they don't have a dragon that created them, but they can still worship one of them...
Personally, I voted orcs. Of course I'd prefer both nagas and orcs but I sincerely doubt they'll put them both.
Heroes without orcs isn't heroes, like I said in the "Perfect Stronghold" thread...

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VokialBG
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posted January 26, 2007 11:21 PM

Quote:
i remeber he said that they have no dragon.


Actually, I said that they have dragon:

Pao-kai (or something like that) is small dragon it is wild, but some orgs can ride it (the dragon have wings and no eyes it is blind)
These orgs are the legendary dragon knights, leaded by Arantrok (kind of org King, actually org dictator).

Maybe I should post all my therories for next addon here in one post
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emilsn
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posted January 27, 2007 02:06 PM

Hmm? Orcs don't worship a dragon, i didnt say that they had a dragon creature! I just remember someone saying they didn't worship ANYTHING

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VokialBG
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posted January 27, 2007 02:29 PM
Edited by VokialBG at 14:38, 27 Jan 2007.

Quote:
Hmm? Orcs don't worship a dragon, i didnt say that they had a dragon creature! I just remember someone saying they didn't worship ANYTHING


Yes they didn't worship ANYTHING, the orgs sre crated by the wizards, as a gift for haven, the orgs are innocent humans, but wizards make them orgs (human or elf body + demon soul) they have no gods, because, they know how are crated, not by god - by human.

The orgs are used many years as slaves, soldiers, the orgs are born like  
soldiers, and they die like soldiers. Many of them are killed by the humans just for amusement... the hardest work in the Holy Griffin empire is doing by the orgs...

But then come the  grandfather of Arantrok he was used for blacksmith when he work in the workshop he make a mistake, when hammer a sword for his master, but with the mistake he become new weapon - the clave!

He kill his master and start many bloody rebellions, finaly the Empire was defeated the orgs go to east in the desert, the orgs are not like the orgs in LoTR they are intelligent and high-minded, they all hate the humans and kill any human on theirs territory.

"You are not my master any more, Stranger will die!"

Dark Messiah org with clave:







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dschingi
dschingi


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the guy with the dragon golem
posted January 27, 2007 02:33 PM

Which race will be next? I don't care. I just want it to be well balanced and fun to play with.
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Elvin
Elvin


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Endless Revival
posted January 27, 2007 03:56 PM

Quote:
Which race will be next? I don't care. I just want it to be well balanced and fun to play with.


QFE!

That's all that should matter. Of course I'd rather it was something (mostly) original too!
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Archmage_Faiz
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posted January 27, 2007 04:28 PM - penalty applied by alcibiades on 07 Mar 2008.

It is ORCS Not "Orgs"...

Nagas ftw.!!!
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Elvin
Elvin


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Endless Revival
posted January 29, 2007 08:08 PM
Edited by Elvin at 20:09, 29 Jan 2007.

According to the following we may see them both. Posted by Alderbranchh in ubi's forum:

In Nival-released 10th anniversary funny (russian) map, you can see the following path (inside the h5m):
\Textures\Terrain\Orc_Terrain
They also used paths to an H5A2 folder inside the resources. For example in \Textures\Terrain\Sand\Scatter_Stones_Sand.xdb:
<SrcName href="/H5A2/AdventureMap/Tails/Scatter_Stones_Sand.tga"/>


Haven't seen this one.

In the addon (HoF) files, there is a (obviously unused in game) Kha-Beleth's dialogue sound:
dataa1\a1-sound.pak\bin\Sounds\51574191-D01F-475B-A3AC-3392F2264A96
(rename to .wav to play)


I just heard the track! Just open the a1-sound.pak with winrar and open the folders till you reach your destination. Extract it and it should be ready. I didn't have to rename it and simply opened it with windows media player but who knows...

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