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TowerLord
Promising
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Hero of Good, Slayer of Evil
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posted April 14, 2007 11:57 AM |
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The time to resign
I have a 24-30 hours game, and it is on a round map... I've been winning all major battles, and my opponent started running me around all over the map!
When I attacked his towns he went for my main town instead of coming to defend ... I wasted so much time with this game , and I dont see a end to it , so I ask you how should we settle this ??
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Homer171
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted April 14, 2007 12:15 PM |
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So many game hours that it must be in several months by now. When there are many towns you should mix creatures and send some reinforcement whit secondary heroes and pin the opponent in the corner. Sarcrifice your main town if you can take rest of the towns that way.
It's allways annoying if somebody dosen't accept the defeat and runs away like a coward. Track him down and thats it.
(I can just imagine the hero running there whit his Expert Logistic skill and laughing  )
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insatiable
Supreme Hero
Ultimate N00bidity
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posted April 14, 2007 02:04 PM |
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i dont play maps that allow such a thing. i guess was ubi map or rmg..
may just drop the game, if not sure who wins..
if you sure you win, just report loss, blacklist your opponent and post his scalp here in forum for all to see
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fiur
Promising
Supreme Hero
Map Creator
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posted April 14, 2007 02:40 PM |
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may just drop the game, if not sure who wins..
if you sure you win, just report loss, blacklist your opponent and post his scalp here in forum for all to see
 I fully Agree with Insatiable here, I will not play ppl. who act like this.... where is the fun in doing such a thing?
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nevermind
Famous Hero
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posted April 14, 2007 03:17 PM |
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I have a 24-30 hours game, and it is on a round map... I've been winning all major battles, and my opponent started running me around all over the map!
When I attacked his towns he went for my main town instead of coming to defend ... I wasted so much time with this game , and I dont see a end to it , so I ask you how should we settle this ??
Cheez a man is innocent until proven guilty you guys amaze me how you can condamnd someone before even hearing its side, i kinda respect hero raddoo since he always been ok when we played but anyone can misjudge.
So hero please tell me what does winning "major battles" mean and are you sure he is just wasting your time?
Or does he have a chance to win and it is by doing what he does ,and do expect him to not do it and give you the win just cause it takes long ?
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betruger
Known Hero
empowered mind
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posted April 14, 2007 03:38 PM |
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Agreed with nevermind here. Although sometimes it can get tedious, you shouldn't expect someone to resign when he has still got winning chances.
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fiur
Promising
Supreme Hero
Map Creator
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posted April 14, 2007 04:02 PM |
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Edited by fiur at 16:03, 14 Apr 2007.
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Agreed with nevermind here. Although sometimes it can get tedious, you shouldn't expect someone to resign when he has still got winning chances.
In other words I really wanna know what map's take 20-30 hours to play...???
I would never play 1 game for so long!!
So far my games finish in 4 hours average suits me fine
(sure I had a few longer ones too but around 4 hours is okay....)
(Call me stupid but I really hate it when opponents begin to run around and the game turn in to "hide and seek" 
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TowerLord
Promising
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Hero of Good, Slayer of Evil
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posted April 14, 2007 04:02 PM |
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guys after wasting 30 hours of my life, on this game, its kind of hard to resign it, especially since i think i have very high chances of wining.
nevermind, if he has any chance, that chance is about 1% or something like that...
Things look like this:
the map is Subteran Treasures , I am Academy and he is Necro... Other two slots were closed ... after exploring ... we found them to be all academys . so there are 6 Academys on the map . but this is not the issue cause i havent started developing them because its really hard to keep , probably I will in the future .
My real power lies in my Hero(Havez) , which has Huge Spell Power 25+, Huge Knowledge 30 or more , a ballista doing 350 dmg + / shot , and the awesome Armageddon doing tons of damage!
Major battles means battles between main heroes with many troops on them. I lost only one of these when I cornered him in his town(before I had Armageddon) , but he managed to resist long enough , and then MotN kicked in. That probaly was when I should have closed the game, but his town + MotN was too much to handle .
After crushing his whole army with armageddon, his chances of winning(the few that remained) I supposed that lied in huge necro army that can take quite a few armageddons and I thought he was buying time to build that army. Our armys clashed for so many times , even many scout battles that his armys remained at low numbers ...
The most important scout battle was one in which he lost he 250+ stack of zombies some liches and horde skillies, while I lost only half of my 100+ / 160+ Obsydians and half of my 130 + stack of Golems.
After that , I went with my main towards his towns asap , took his secondary Necro(fuly built), and went for the main Necro(again fully built).I was expeting him to defend or something, but instead he chose to go for my main town. then we switched main towns in the same day... probably he wanted to learn Armageddon even though that is almost useless against me. and then he wanted save and probably we are going for the record of 48 hours++ game.
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sq79
Famous Hero
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posted April 14, 2007 04:17 PM |
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Edited by sq79 at 16:20, 14 Apr 2007.
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Never give up!!
I have quite the same feeling in our first game when u played catching with me in bfh 
But its because of the run around i never want to play sub treasures again + unbalanced starting positions
Really quite tedious 
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TowerLord
Promising
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Hero of Good, Slayer of Evil
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posted April 14, 2007 04:36 PM |
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Never give up!!
I have quite the same feeling in our first game when u played catching with me in bfh
But its because of the run around i never want to play sub treasures again + unbalanced starting positions
Really quite tedious
it was so different then ... I wanted to townportal back home, but you were right at my gate , and I didnt have too much mana on my hero. I was in your teritory and I asked you if there was a well nearby , I didnt know the map very well , it was one of my first games there .
but you weren't in game at that time and I went the wrong way , so I couln't Town Portal back to town. After that I came for the battle, the next week not tried to run you around forever, but this has been going for months now in this game
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sq79
Famous Hero
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posted April 14, 2007 06:49 PM |
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Prolly stop playing sub treasures in the future
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morgan_le_fey
Famous Hero
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posted April 15, 2007 06:20 AM |
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always take logistics when offered for this reason. having a good backup hero and chaining helps too. use hit and run if its really getting on your nerves. or offer a draw. you could also admire your opponents ingenuity and resign the game in honor of his creative strategy.
morgan_le_fey
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted April 15, 2007 09:10 AM |
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Just retire
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strider_hl
Famous Hero
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posted April 15, 2007 12:03 PM |
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If one still has even a 1% chance then not giving up is more of a virtue than bad quality Aspiring to try and score that 1% is only laudable even it that involves running around.
What would you say in the end if opponent wins with such a strategy???
Your task is to build a net that prevents him from whatever he is doing.
For instance, I perfectly see how he gathers academy units and then recapturing necro town transform them. In case of switching towns, academy is at disadvantage!
To summarize, I would insist my opponent on retreating only if he has ZERO chances (like running around with 5 ghosts vs my whole army). Otherwise - its my own planning and organizational skills that should solve the problem of fleeing WEAK hero
P.s. I have lost almost all army several times and still won the game fully understanding that someone else on my behalf would just forfeit.
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TowerLord
Promising
Supreme Hero
Hero of Good, Slayer of Evil
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posted April 15, 2007 01:06 PM |
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If one still has even a 1% chance then not giving up is more of a virtue than bad quality Aspiring to try and score that 1% is only laudable even it that involves running around.
Strider with a thinking like this... remind me to never play you !
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What would you say in the end if opponent wins with such a strategy???
And Strider, if somehow he manages to get some kind of advantage, what would prevent me for doing the same thing he did forever and ever ?
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Your task is to build a net that prevents him from whatever he is doing.
The map is round, there is no way to make a net, that prevents him from going round and round... I tried to do that , took almost all the towns on map at a moment , then captured his fully built secondary, and was very close to his main, but instead of trying to defend he went for my main. Even though he gets only one fully built town, and I get two.
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For instance, I perfectly see how he gathers academy units and then recapturing necro town transform them. In case of switching towns, academy is at disadvantage!
To summarize, I would insist my opponent on retreating only if he has ZERO chances (like running around with 5 ghosts vs my whole army). Otherwise - its my own planning and organizational skills that should solve the problem of fleeing WEAK hero
P.s. I have lost almost all army several times and still won the game fully understanding that someone else on my behalf would just forfeit.
Since he has only one fully built Academy instead of 2 fully built Necros, I would say that is not a good deal.
I hope you play for more than 30 hours on a game, and someone does this to you ... maybe you will understand what that means! If you think this is a great strategy that only a bright player can perform, you really don't understand the game.
What is so amazing about moving your hero away from your opponents hero? I bet a 12 years old can do it .
I am trying to have fun when playing Heroes 5, and playing for more than 30 hours, out of which at least the last 15 hours were pointless and full of crazy avoiding fight moves is not fun ! Hell, in 15 hours I could have played another 2 games, and I could have done so many other things.
So please cut the "great strategist argument", cause this is not the case, that's for sure !
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AL_Killmore
Adventuring Hero
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posted April 15, 2007 04:22 PM |
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I agree with Betruger and Nevermindspy here. If there are chances for win - running and hitting enemy unprotected towns is a common tactic. I don't know how is it possible on Subterranean Treasures, but i guess that when you see all the map it's not that hard to predict enemy movement and counter his actions, even if his hero is faster. This map has Instant travel, many ships that lose one whole day of the hero and cornering the evasive enemy is just a matter of skill and large army.
But yes, 25-30 hours is quite a lot for a single game - nothing to worry though. I true hero can handle that - sometimes in battles you not only need combat skills and luck, but also stamina and endurance 
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feluniozbunio
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted April 15, 2007 06:03 PM |
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Well, as a necro he may have some strategies connected with it apart from transformer. With haunted mines and necromancy he may use this running to accumulate some troops. But if he is just stalling and waits for your mistake or till you ragequit, its pitiful, and i'd quit and not play him anymore.
I remember some other games when people were wasting many, many hours just because somebody was running away and didn't want to fight because he couldn't win.
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cycleguy
Adventuring Hero
Runs through cornfields naked
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posted April 15, 2007 08:30 PM |
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I have to agree with nevermind and Strider. Your opponent might feel the same way you do about this game, that he can win. Or maybe he just loves games like that and wants you to beat him completely for the win.
I admit any game that lasts more than 8hours gets boring and I do honestly feel REALY bad for you that you are in a game that takes almost 3times that long I would suggest you just talk to him and offer a draw even though I know you dont want to do that. But to ask him to post a loss when he still feels he might win or enjoy playing till total victory is yours is not right either...its a tough spot your in, I wish you well in solving it.
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted April 15, 2007 08:43 PM |
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You know what Towerlord.
Maybe you need to quit because you cry way too much.
I can mention people who had it far worst then you.
It was only Heroes 3 but the problems still remain the same.
Many never complained.
If they did they would want to quit.
I had 100 times more crap playing heroes then you can even muster.
If you want to make a thread of retiring, then retire.
Good entertainment to hear the whining but comeon.
Crap happens.
You expect to win every game or else you get crapped on.
Forget Strider, remind me to never play you
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strider_hl
Famous Hero
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posted April 15, 2007 09:03 PM |
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Damn, what emotions, TowerLord I understand your feelings but you took it a bit overboard with reaction 
Sure, your frustration after 30! hours of chewing on one map is where I fully agree with you. But thats not the point of argument.
Simply put - if your opponent thinks that he can win and that's reasonable then you play on. What I would consider a dishonorable play is when opponent just keeps running away to avoid reporting loss. Such a guy deserves a place in blacklist. But is that the case with your game???
In not, then keep in mind that there is no point in discussion with opponent who got the harder balls. Just catch him and show it yourself
Although you are stronger at this point in time, would the balance shift if he carries on for couple of weeks more? Again, simply put - it does not matter that one is stronger at some specific point of time. If I realized that but still hoped to win you I would try to postpone final showdown and catch up in power with you. Are you stating that its otherwise with your opponent
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