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Colonel_here
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posted April 16, 2007 09:15 PM |
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I agree with you but I bet it that student even played tetris ones during her life, the whole sooting would be pushed over on video games.
I think that there are must be clear social problems that cause such things.
Also the person doesn't wake up one day and shoots people there should have been signs.
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Doomforge
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posted April 16, 2007 09:17 PM |
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We all know they'll blame games for the massacre. They always do. -_-
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TheDeath
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posted April 16, 2007 09:20 PM |
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Like I said, it (was) the perfect excuse. Frankly people blame video games so often it just becomes silly. And usually isn't taken seriously either
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Aculias
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posted April 16, 2007 09:21 PM |
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Kind of like how they blamed Howard Stern for the Janet Jacksons CLoths malfunction in the superbowl halftime 
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Daystar
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posted April 17, 2007 12:52 AM |
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The problem with school shootings is'nt about who dies, its about who survives. the survivors are scarred permenantly with the events if they knew anybody who died, and the rest of the school year will go on in a great amount of saddness. School shouldn't be about saddness, it should be about creativity.
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Guitarguy
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posted April 17, 2007 01:09 AM |
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Few words can express my shock over this tragic event. Surely, my current life persepective will change as a result of this.
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william
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posted April 17, 2007 04:09 AM |
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Down here in Australia, it is pretty damn hard to obtain a gun, because I am sure that there are no gun shops, I have only had experience with gun shops in America mainly, but not down here, which is a relief of course.
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Colonel_here
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posted April 17, 2007 05:40 AM |
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What is interesting is that the guy was shooting people left and right for 2 hours before he shot himself or got shot. 2 hours! Where was the police?
I remember here in Toronto a guy started to shoot at the Union Station, than took a hostage. The police blocked off the area, put sharpshooters on the roof and killed the guy in less than 30 minutes after he started his rampage.
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Binabik
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posted April 17, 2007 06:23 AM |
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the guy was shooting people left and right for 2 hours before he shot himself
That's not what happened. It was really two separate shootings with 2 hours in between. He wasn't shooting "right and left" for 2 hours.
The police aren't releasing much info yet, but the guy killed a couple people in a dorm room. The police thought it was an isolated incident and that the guy had left campass. They had no reason to think the guy would come back and start his rampage in the classrooms.
There is also some suspicion that a second person was involved somehow.
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pomo
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posted April 17, 2007 07:08 AM |
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First, it will be hard to know the specific reasons behind this killing for a while yet. We can only really feel sympathetic for those who've died or will be permanently hurt by this.
However, as a general point: less guns -> less deaths. Frankly I consider the whole right to bear arms one of the most retarded aspects of US political culture. When a freedom impinges on the freedoms of others so dramatically it really ceases to have much stature in my view. I read a research paper a few years ago comparing homicide rates in Australia with the US. The homicide rate in the US was roughly 10 times higher, however if you discounted gun-related killings the difference was only double. Clearly there are other factors apart from gun-availability, but it is a MAJOR contributor to the level of violence.
Something that illustrated this to me personally was an ad that I saw when I was in California - a MOTHERS DAY advertisement for a gun-shop, encouraging you to buy your dear old mum an assault rifle!?!? WTF? I have never even seen a gun shop in Australia; since we had a similar incident about 10 years ago the government has bought back most firearms.
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william
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posted April 17, 2007 07:57 AM |
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Less guns means less deaths, well to a certain degree that is true Pomo.
But, take this for example.
If you take out the guns in the world, then there will still be ways of killing and or violence.
Weapons like knives, baseball bats, and all those kinds of objects can prove fatal if you are hit with one in a specific spot, like in the head.
This event really is tragic, and it gives us yet another example of the uselessness of guns, and their effects on humanity, and that's right, the effects is death.
Gun's brings nothing but violence and death, taking them out might be a step closer to encouraging peace throughout the world, but then we still have to take into effect, weapons and other objects like that.
This is a true disgrace, and if it really took 2 hours for the police to get there, then that is hopeless police work, no offense but it really is.
This may not have happened, or the death's may have been taken down, if the police acted a little faster.
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pomo
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posted April 17, 2007 08:31 AM |
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Yes, of course there are other ways to kill people, but that's not really the point. The point is that guns make it much, much easier. I can't imagine that 32 people would be dead at Virginia Tech if the guy had a baseball bat instead of a gun.
So it IS true, not just to a certain extent either... after all I didn't say less guns -> no deaths.
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posted April 17, 2007 10:07 AM |
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I still remember the action of returning weapons here in Serbia, it took place a couple of years ago. The entire campaign was about bringing weapons back and people (besides "normal" firearms such as revolvers, small guns or automatic rifles like AK-47s) started bringing HAND GRENADES  I mean WTF?! There was like a few hundred hand grenades among all that... I mean it's not like if someone tries to mug you on the street you'll defend yourself with a hand grenade... Probably just remnants of the wars but still... What, they kept them as memories?
And about for each hand grenade given up I guess there's at least one who people kept for themselves.
I've heard some use them for fishing (I don't want to know how; I don't want to know why; they just do)...
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Doomforge
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posted April 17, 2007 12:35 PM |
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What's wrong with defending with hand grenade? You can still throw it like a big rock to break someone's nose. Of course without pulling out the safety-pin 
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posted April 17, 2007 12:50 PM |
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Our school has loads of protection...
We have armed guards on the metal gates surrounding the school.
We need permission for everything we do.
We have rules for protection that are strict to the point of being silly.
And other similar stuff.
Still, I wonder, would any of this stop some psychotic student from killing his classmates?
I don't think so
I agree. More protection won't help at all. What should be done is that parents should teach their children good things and take care of them; this way, I don't think there will be a psychotic terrorist anymore
But this is of course, a dream...
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william
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posted April 17, 2007 12:52 PM |
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What's wrong with defending with hand grenade? You can still throw it like a big rock to break someone's nose. Of course without pulling out the safety-pin
But the safety pin might fall out, or it might get hooked onto something, and that is a chance I don't think many are willing to take, especially if you are really close to the guy.
And more protection in schools might help actually, because they could be a substitute for the police, because police are not waiting outside the schools 24/7 waiting for something to happen.
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alcibiades
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posted April 17, 2007 01:13 PM |
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Yes, of course there are other ways to kill people, but that's not really the point. The point is that guns make it much, much easier. I can't imagine that 32 people would be dead at Virginia Tech if the guy had a baseball bat instead of a gun.
So it IS true, not just to a certain extent either... after all I didn't say less guns -> no deaths.
I think the above actually nails the problem extremely accurately.
Not much more to say about this tragic subject.
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homam
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posted April 17, 2007 02:49 PM |
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The point isn't the way that the victims were killed.The point isn't the security in schools.The point isn't the easy way that those kids can find a gun.
The causes of such phenomenon are much deeper than these stupid excuses.My personal opinion is that the lack of education and the non existance of proper values that the children could believe and fight for, lead to it.As a non American i can clearly see, how disorianted and lost, Americans become through the years.And its really sad that it is getting worse. Of course this matter is of great significance and should worry the whole world as Usa stands in the first rank of every evolution. Such phenomenon can and will take place in every developed country.
Kids and adolescents need to believe in, to give their all and fight for something.But nobody gives them the chance, nobody leads them properly to a great goal. No ethical values will always be the main cause.
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Homer171
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posted April 17, 2007 03:19 PM |
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It's a very sick world where we are living! Documentary movie Bowling for Columbine had some interesting points. What is very wrong in Usa is the guns indeed. Some law againts weapons and raids againts these weapon dealers immediately!
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posted April 17, 2007 05:10 PM |
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HoMaM has a similar opinion on that as I have.
Even if I am not a supporter of "everybody is allowed to have a gun", I don't think this is the main problem.
There have been guns in "nearly" everbody's hands for a long time in America. But those things like Columbine or Virginia Tech didn't happen in the 70ies or 80ies, did they? (Same in germany with "Erfurt" in 2002 and "Emsdetten" in 2006, and we don't have such gun laws here!)
This is a problem of the so called "modern" countries I think. More and more parents of children like to have their job each. More and more children are either alone at home, or parents don't care where they spend their whole free time everyday. They get their education mostly "on the streets". When the parents return home from work, and kids want to talk about their problems, or about "real life topics", they mostly hear: "Oh common, not now..I am so tired from work. Could we discuss that another day?" And of course on that "other day", they recieve the same answer. And then there will be the time when the kids are tired of asking. This is when (for some kids) the road starts to split.
The more parents take care of their kids (education, wishes, school, etc...), the lesser the chance they turn into a "monster" one day.
Of course we had serial killers all the time in the 20th century, or even before. But they all have been adults! Never kids or children. And I'm pretty sure neither "Jack the Ripper" nor "Ed Gein" ever played "Counterstrike".
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