Heroes of Might and Magic Community
visiting hero! Register | Today's Posts | Games | Search! | FAQ/Rules | AvatarList | MemberList | Profile


Age of Heroes Headlines:  
5 Oct 2016: Heroes VII development comes to an end.. - read more
6 Aug 2016: Troubled Heroes VII Expansion Release - read more
26 Apr 2016: Heroes VII XPack - Trial by Fire - Coming out in June! - read more
17 Apr 2016: Global Alternative Creatures MOD for H7 after 1.8 Patch! - read more
7 Mar 2016: Romero launches a Piano Sonata Album Kickstarter! - read more
19 Feb 2016: Heroes 5.5 RC6, Heroes VII patch 1.7 are out! - read more
13 Jan 2016: Horn of the Abyss 1.4 Available for Download! - read more
17 Dec 2015: Heroes 5.5 update, 1.6 out for H7 - read more
23 Nov 2015: H7 1.4 & 1.5 patches Released - read more
31 Oct 2015: First H7 patches are out, End of DoC development - read more
5 Oct 2016: Heroes VII development comes to an end.. - read more
[X] Remove Ads
LOGIN:     Username:     Password:         [ Register ]
HOMM1: info forum | HOMM2: info forum | HOMM3: info mods forum | HOMM4: info CTG forum | HOMM5: info mods forum | MMH6: wiki forum | MMH7: wiki forum
Heroes Community > Heroes 5 - Temple of Ashan > Thread: Frustrating Strategies And Combos!
Thread: Frustrating Strategies And Combos! This thread is 4 pages long: 1 2 3 4 · NEXT»
Elvin
Elvin


Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
posted May 01, 2007 01:05 PM bonus applied.
Edited by Elvin at 20:00, 07 May 2007.

Frustrating Strategies And Combos!

You feel like being a smart@ss? You hate your opponent? You like him but want to humiliate him anyway? You have come to the right place!
Many strategies can be effective but few can be truly annoying and thus attacking directly the opponent's calmness and sanity which presents you with a whole new dimension of strategy-a phychological warfare! Some can be complex-others too simple and may be effective or pointless but the point is to enrage your opponent beyond any semblance of reason to gain the upper hand. This is a war and there can be only one victor so you must utilize any means to destroy the opposition!
Unfortunately some are not easy to pull off but it can be very satisfying if you manage to do so. Some are purely situational as well.
Let's have a look, shall we?


PUPPET MASTER ABUSE


You probably have seen this one and hate it as much as I do. Necropolis and inferno have a rare privilage against powerful stacks, dark magic and especially puppet master. What makes that so great? Once you cast it you can start attacking it with all of your units without fear of retaliation-talk about a broken spell! So there is one thing to be done about it, do it yourself!

Requirements: Dark magic->puppet master.
Evaluation: Not really a strategy rather a helpful tip for those who don't know how to abuse dark magic to their full potential. The opponent can cleanse it or use magical immunity but it would require a good level of hero and light magic. Don't expect a stack of sprites to dispel it that easily.


Another use of puppet master that is even more annoying! Let's suppose we have a haven vs infeno. The nightmares attack the paladins and you hero puppet masters the archangels to resurrect the lost nightmares If this cannot affect your opponent I don't know what can!

Requirements: Same.
Evaluation: There is always the chance that your spell will be countered by the paladins' lay on hands or light magic so there is a margin for miscalculation. If he DOES counter it hope he won't use the resurrection first!


Assuming once again we have inferno vs haven it is lovely when you puppet master the marksmen and then teleport assault them near the paladins! That does hurt.

Requirements: Puppet master, logistics->teleport assault.
Evaluation: An easy to use strategy, same risks and counters.


WHEN YOU HAVE MASSIVE STACKS


Ingvar can surely lead to some frustration! Just get runic armour perk and cast arcane armour on his shieldguards! Even if you are to lose you will be able to snicker every time you see the pathetic damage your opponent does to them
Another sick tactic is to get Ingvar as your secondary to guard the town. Get preparation and battle frenzy and you'll see what I mean

Requirements: Summoning magic->runic armour, defense->preparation, attack->battle frenzy.
Evaluation: Summoning is not as easy to get but it is totally satisfying! The rest are pretty accessible though the opponent can tackle the shieldguards with cleansing or dark magic.


A known annoying tactic is to use necromancy along with haunted mines to gather an impressive army of spectres. What remains to be done is to get vitality and boneward. They can be defeated but that will take long If you get any offensive skills they may even become threatening.

Requirements: Necromancy, summoning->haunted mines, sorcery->boneward, defense->vitality/protection/evasion. Maybe attack->battle frenzy and luck.
Evaluation: Easy to setup though not the most effective combination. Surprizingly good in comparison with what you might expect though.


A funny thing to do with sylvan which might actually surprise the opponent and give you an edge towards the end of the battle. Ancient treants with stand your ground and maybe an endurance buff. Take roots ability gives unlimited retaliation plus 50% defense instead of the regular 30% which is doubled with stand your ground! Your surving treants turn into a solid rock that hits back at every attacker and you'll probably have some lucky attacks too.

Requirements: Defense->stand your ground, light->endurance.
Evaluation: Easy to use though there are a few counters for each faction. Also you can invest in better skills/abilities even if it's a laugh to use it once in a while


As of 2.1 it's easy to gather a good number of paladins, even more so in large maps. You might be tempted to try that one in the case you don't split them! Use retaliation strike on them while having weakening strike. The knight will retaliate all who attack the paladins save the archers and casters while lowering their attack by 12(). If you use your inquisitors to cast endurance on them you will like the results.

Requirements: Training, retaliation strike, dark magic->weakening strike.
Evaluation: Pretty accesible requirements though a mass suffering could help just as well. Still the knight's damage is good and will help you get rid of the attackers sooner. It feels good to punish your attackers every single time


ARMAGEDDON STRATEGIES


They just had to be in didn't they? One of my favourite ways to go down is to go suicidal! And the warlock can do just that with an empowered lucky armageddon and a minimal army. You'll lose and take with you a vast amount of the enemy hero's army. Then you will attack with your secondary and full army and kill off the remains.

Requirements: Destructive->armageddon, luck->warlock's luck. Others that may help are enlightenment and the artifact phoenix feather cape.
Evaluation: Requires good timing. The opponent can rarely resist the lure of an unprotected main but you must also be sure that the armageddon will do enough damage, buy your arties and get enlightenment! You must make sure that your secondary will have little problem in vanquishing the enemy main and get his town.
Know thy enemy because he may have speed arties, tactics, initiative arties and vanquish you before you play.


The dwarves have a most annoying armageddon strat. They have ignite, dwarven luck, rune of immunity, immune dragons and bears/shieldguards impervious to master of fire. BUT before you do that you will want the rune patriarchs to attack with crossfire first and possibly put a mark of fire on multiple enemies(improved chance with soldier's luck). Also, it's good to place a unit near the centre to lure the enemies where the meteor will hit for double damage.

Requirements: Destructive->ignite, luck->dwarven luck/soldier's luck, rune of elemental immunity and sorcery(optional).
Evaluation: Of the easiest to use, as long as you get the spell. Mage vaults certainly help. It will not guarantee a victory but it helps and the opponent can't do much unless he get arties or resistance.


OTHER


A mild irritation comes when you cannot eliminate the hero's main and this idea focuses on it Suppose someone hitting your remaining stack of archangels to see that one of them survives with 1 hp due to last stand. No problem he thinks and goes for another hit and the archangel DIES!! Only to see them resurrected with guardian's angel Whether you will have an upper hand or retreat it will be fun for you, especially if you can see your opponent's face.

Requirements: Defense->last stand, light magic->guardian angel.
Evaluation: Easily achievable though getting last stand would be a more attractive choice if stand your ground was more beneficial to a knight and getting basic abilities will almost always be better anyway.


So you face a mean spellcaster that is focused hurling destructive spells at your strongest stack. Damn, what to do? Hmm imagine you casting magical immunity on it and then start resurrecting! But how? You must have below expert light magic so as the resurrection not to be blocked by the immunity That should shock him enough.

Requirements: Up to advanced light magic, magical immunity, scroll of resurrection/tome of light magic
Evaluation: In some maps it is easily achievable, however you must know who you'll face and what lvl 5 spells he might have. Because implosion and puppet master will still affect you.


A dwarven strategy that can create a hopeless situation in some cases while it is midgame. You get destructive with ignite, triple ballista and start killing your opponent from afar while defending with your units. And when he attacks you he finds out you have preparation In case he has charging units such as grim raiders you may want to get swift mind so as to cast a fireball at them first but also hope to play first and defend. You get the first hit against his halfed defense

Requirements: Destructive->ignite, warmachines->triple ballista, defense->preparation, maybe logistics->swift mind.
Evaluation: The requirements are far from demanding save swift mind of course. It can work if the armies haven't reached titanic proportions yet() plus you can exploit the fact that you defend to use runes and refresh them later to have a nasty combo much in the way Doomforge suggested If you happen to have a good morale you'll ensure more retaliations vs fast units.


This time you face a knight who keeps training peasants and footmen due to lack of funds. But also because he has archery and likes to shield the marksmen and priests with squires to gain an edge How would it look if he found out he does -30% damage and with decreased initiative?

Requirements: Defense->evasion, summoning->wall of fog.
Evaluation: It's fun to use but the only likely candidate to do that is Razzak, even Dirael has master of conjuration...Rare combo.


A disruptive while emotionally satisfying way to use the blackbears is to charge with them in the middle of enemy units while having activated a rune of battlerage! D You'll see three or more units displaced hehe!

Requirements: Rune of battle rage, soldier's luck.
Evaluation: Not much to say, it's fun!


An enemy knight is amassing a massive stack of paladins against your wizard while overlooking the rest of his units, having them in small quantities. Imagine his frustration when he sees his mana inadequate due to your supress light and you keep wasp swarming them with mark of the wizard! They'll never get a turn.
Also great vs the shieldguards from a guard post, I would know!
Dirael can do something similar with rain of arrows and imbue arrow, possibly wasp swarming 3 enemy units-assuming you would ever pick her!

Requirements: Summoning->wasp swarm, mark of the wizard.
Evaluation: It can work against powerful living stacks when the opponent does not have a proportionate army. If focused on one unit it can disable it but even cast on two targets simultaneously has an effect as long as your units are battle ready or you have a ballista aid. Possible counters are magical immunity and divine guidance though the latter won't help much if wasp swarm is cast on the marked unit.


Whether someone has neutral luck or not it's fun robbing them of their good luck! And the best way to do that is get dead man's luck with Deirdre and use her banshee howl afterwards. With neutral luck the opponent will keep having his attacks halved for the next few rounds ehm hero actions!

Requirements: Deirdre for a better howl, dead man's luck, maybe  a luck decreasing artie
Evaluation: If you get luck it will work. IF.


The phoenix is a magnificent creature. Especially if you are a potent caster it is hard to take down unless it is endgame. Now, if you cast arcane armour on it and then replenish his hp with raise dead when it's about to die, it gets a tad too strong. There is the funny option of casting mass slow for it to attack more often than it's attacked or keep spamming armageddon as described in the armageddonist strategy by Towerlord

Requirements: Summoning->master of conjuration, conjure phoenix, arcane armour, raise dead/resurrection. The rest is optional and easily customizeable.
Evaluation: Hope you found a dragon utopia or vault of the mages, not easy to get both spells otherwise. Hopefully the opponent won't have good phoenix counters as well ie cold death, vorpal blade, good direct attack etc.


Finally something I found out recently and works well vs people with triple ballista. For those who hate to have their weapons turned against them: Remote control+flaming arrows+artificial glory+enlightenment. You get the enemy ballista(hopefully) and it receives your bonuses and perks that makes it all the sweeter.

Requirements: Warmachines->remote control, attack->flaming arrows, enlightenment, maybe leadership->artificial glory.
Evaluation: Hard to get requirements and questionable effectiveness as you may get the opponent's ammon cart...If it works you'll enjoy a nice spectacle


ADDED STRATEGIES


By Doomforge

Get a warlock, powercreep and get implosion or meteor shower+ emerald slippers. Find enemy's main hero and see if he has his army with him. If so, take only 7 assassins,attack him implo something and do the "three R method" - run, rehire, repeat. If he comes near your castle, run somewhere, then while he's busy capturing your castle head straight for his castle and take it. Repeat the hit and runs again. warning, your enemy may slam you with his keyboard if you're doing this on LAN
Easy to pull off, hard to be trapped while in earlygame too. As long as you can switch towns you will never be at a disadvantage as it's your opponent that will depend on units, not you.

And...A famous line

train +13 palas/week (even sacrificing other units such as angels), cast antimagic on them and gooo pokemon!
It may not be as annoying as some others but it sure is frustrating trying to kill this stack with no magic...Plus the wording is awesome!


By feluniozbunio

About armagedon strategies.
Get 2 warlock heroes. Lvl them both to 18 or something than give phenix feather cape to one and soem troops and go cast hopefully lucky armagedon . Then kill remainings with your second hero and rest of your army.
A good armageddon alternative hehe!


By TowerLord

A puppet master finishing touch:
A nice trick with Puppet Master, is when using Academy's Jhora ... Puppet the main opponent's stack and then cast CounterSpell before his hero gets a turn !
Yes that could bring a moment of uneasiness to your rival

Your stack has been frenzied and it is your hero's turn, but obviously you cannot Cleanse ! The best solution here is to Teleport your frenzied stack between his armys, so he takes the damage ! This is the best counter obviously, but if that isn't possible , because your troops are too mixed in front with his, you can also go for another solution , teleporting your archer stack away from the frenzied stack...
Works especially well with teleport assault, I've had it used against me Good one Destro!


By Sanyu

Like once, someone in this forum played as academy against me and "frenzied" my succubus mistress. Since I fought a previous battle against him and knew he would do this again, I specifically left a small stack of horned overseers beside her and moved it one tile out of her movement range. So when she fired at the nearest target (my demons) and although the full damage + luck was dealt to it, it was unimportant to me and the next three shots bounced off to his own creatures
Yeah I remember


By Beowolf

If You play as town with dark magic (Inferno, Necropolis, Haven), there is a way to counter warlock's lucky empowered spells hit'n'run strategy.  
To do so, You need sorcery and expert dark magic -> the spell we need is  a greatly underestimated curse of the netherworld If a warlock use many tiny stacks of assasins, curse will wax them all before warlock can hit the road Sure, as haven we will hurt ourselves but if our hero gets his turn before warlock, You can put him to sleep for good and score his arties.
Heheh talk about an annoying counter



These should be enough for now, after all I'm sure you have some of your own to add I apologize for some ideas that I recycled but I felt that they had a place here, thank you for reading through this monstrous post!

Edited: Added some of your strategies
____________
H5 is still alive and kicking, join us in the Duel Map discord server!
Map also hosted on Moddb

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
ZombieLord
ZombieLord


Promising
Famous Hero
that wants your brainz...
posted May 01, 2007 01:31 PM
Edited by ZombieLord at 13:33, 01 May 2007.

Interesting combos and strategies (abuses) and funny post

Quote:
A mild irritation comes when you cannot eliminate the hero's main and this idea focuses on it Suppose someone hitting your remaining stack of archangels to see that one of them survives with 1 hp due to last stand. No problem he thinks and goes for another hit and the archangel DIES!! Only to see them resurrected with guardian's angel  Whether you will have an upper hand or retreat it will be fun for you, especially if you can see your opponent's face.

Imagine this:
The enemy manages to kill the stack of ArchAngels finally, but the last one survives with 1 HP. Then you cast resurrection on them, receiveing the Last Stand power again
After some resurrections, the enemy FINALLY manages to kill the ArchAngel with 1 HP, but Guardian Angel triggers: "Now what?!?" - the enemy
And then the Last Stand ability will work again

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
emilsn
emilsn


Legendary Hero
posted May 01, 2007 01:34 PM

Love it

But i have a question, I can't seem to figure out how ignite works or if it even do work ? when i fire my fire spell at them, they dont get ignite on them! I tried it for a whole game! nothing. Is there a rare chance or what? or doesn't it work?

Still love it!
____________
Don't walk behind me; I may not
lead. Don't walk in front of me;
I may not follow. Just walk
beside me and be my friend.

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
Elvin
Elvin


Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
posted May 01, 2007 01:36 PM

@emilsn
If you get destructive->master of fire->ignite the fire spells will automatically do 33% of their damage for the next three rounds much like poison.
Thanks guys!
____________
H5 is still alive and kicking, join us in the Duel Map discord server!
Map also hosted on Moddb

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
radar
radar


Responsible
Legendary Hero
Castle/Haven player
posted May 01, 2007 02:25 PM

frustrating combo... rune of battle rage & berserkering + warlords

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
alcibiades
alcibiades


Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
posted May 01, 2007 02:40 PM

I just love this. Reminiscent of the Heroes IV "Bad Bad Multiplayer Tips".


To anybody who played Heroes IV and don't know what I'm refering to, read this ... Elvin himself showed it to me recently, and I was laughing my ... off for days reading it.

____________
What will happen now?

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | PP | Quote Reply | Link
Doomforge
Doomforge


Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
posted May 01, 2007 03:27 PM
Edited by Doomforge at 15:28, 01 May 2007.

Funny!

Btw

Here's my favorite way of annoying the crap out of my opponent:

Get a warlock, powercreep, get implo or shower+slippers. Find enemy's main hero through lots of scouts, see if he has his army with him. If so, take only 7 assassins,attack him implo something and do the "three R method" - run, rehire, repeat. If he comes near your castle, run somewhere,then while he's busy capturing your castle head stright for his castle and take it. Now, repeat the hit and runs again. warning, your enemy may slam you with his keyboard if you're doing this on LAN

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
TowerLord
TowerLord


Promising
Supreme Hero
Hero of Good, Slayer of Evil
posted May 01, 2007 03:31 PM
Edited by TowerLord at 16:34, 01 May 2007.

Quote:
You feel like being a smart@ss? You hate your opponent? You like him but want to humiliate him anyway? You have come to the right place!
Many strategies can be effective but few can be truly annoying and thus attacking directly the opponent's calmness and sanity which presents you with a whole new dimension of strategy-a phychological warfare! Some can be complex-others too simple and may be effective or pointless but the point is to enrage your opponent beyond any semblance of reason to gain the upper hand. This is a war and there can be only one victor so you must utilize any means to destroy the opposition!
Unfortunately some are not easy to pull off but it can be very satisfying if you manage to do so. Some are purely situational as well.
Let's have a look, shall we?


PUPPET MASTER ABUSE


You probably have seen this one and hate it as much as I do. Necropolis and inferno have a rare privilage against powerful stacks, dark magic and especially puppet master. What makes that so great? Once you cast it you can start attacking it with all of your units without fear of retaliation-talk about a broken spell! So there is one thing to be done about it, do it yourself!

Requirements: Dark magic->puppet master.
Evaluation: Not really a strategy rather a helpful tip for those who don't know how to abuse dark magic to their full potential. The opponent can cleanse it or use magical immunity but it would require a good level of hero and light magic. Don't expect a stack of sprites to dispel it that easily.


Another use of puppet master that is even more annoying! Let's suppose we have a haven vs infeno. The nightmares attack the paladins and you hero puppet masters the archangels to resurrect the lost nightmares If this cannot affect your opponent I don't know what can!

Requirements: Same.
Evaluation: There is always the chance that your spell will be countered by the paladins' lay on hands or light magic so there is a margin for miscalculation. If he DOES counter it hope he won't use the resurrection first!


Assuming once again we have inferno vs haven it is lovely when you puppet master the marksmen and then teleport assault them near the paladins! That does hurt.

Requirements: Puppet master, logistics->teleport assault.
Evaluation: An easy to use strategy, same risks and counters.




Puppet Master is one of the most powerfull long term spells, and it can easily turn the game... Anyway ... Inferno is not the best town for Puppeting, since they get low SP, and those strategies you mentioned aren't gonna work against Haven, because before the Marksmen  or Archangels get to act it's gonna take a whiille , and they're surely get dispelled. They sound nice in theory, but they never actually work. Most important thing to Puppet with Inferno is the Paladin stack so there is no cure and hope for the haven hero to be dried of mana by Imps.

A nice trick with Puppet Master, is when using Academy's Jhora ... Puppet the main opponent's stack and then cast CounterSpell before his hero gets a turn !

Quote:

WHEN YOU HAVE MASSIVE STACKS


Ingvar can surely lead to some frustration! Just get runic armour perk and cast arcane armour on his shieldguards! Even if you are to lose you will be able to snicker every time you see the pathetic damage your opponent does to them
Another sick tactic is to get Ingvar as your secondary to guard the town. Get preparation and battle frenzy and you'll see what I mean

Requirements: Summoning magic->runic armour, defense->preparation, attack->battle frenzy.
Evaluation: Summoning is not as easy to get but it is totally satisfying! The rest are pretty accessible though the opponent can tackle the shieldguards with cleansing or dark magic.




This could be something, but there are better things to do with Ingvar imho... playing defensive is never a good idea.

Quote:

A known annoying tactic is to use necromancy along with haunted mines to gather an impressive army of spectres. What remains to be done is to get vitality and boneward. They can be defeated but that will take long If you get any offensive skills they may even become threatening.

Requirements: Necromancy, summoning->haunted mines, sorcery->boneward, defense->vitality/protection/evasion. Maybe attack->battle frenzy and luck.
Evaluation: Easy to setup though not the most effective combination. Surprizingly good in comparison with what you might expect though.


A funny thing to do with sylvan which might actually surprise the opponent and give you an edge towards the end of the battle. Ancient treants with stand your ground and maybe an endurance buff. Take roots ability gives unlimited retaliation plus 50% defense instead of the regular 30% which is doubled with stand your ground! Your surving treants turn into a solid rock that hits back at every attacker and you'll probably have some lucky attacks too.

Requirements: Defense->stand your ground, light->endurance.
Evaluation: Easy to use though there are a few counters for each faction. Also you can invest in better skills/abilities even if it's a laugh to use it once in a while


As of 2.1 it's easy to gather a good number of paladins, even more so in large maps. You might be tempted to try that one in the case you don't split them! Use retaliation strike on them while having weakening strike. The knight will retaliate all who attack the paladins save the archers and casters while lowering their attack by 12(). If you use your inquisitors to cast endurance on them you will like the results.

Requirements: Training, retaliation strike, dark magic->weakening strike.
Evaluation: Pretty accesible requirements though a mass suffering could help just as well. Still the knight's damage is good and will help you get rid of the attackers sooner. It feels good to punish your attackers every single time


ARMAGEDDON STRATEGIES


They just had to be in didn't they? One of my favourite ways to go down is to go suicidal! And the warlock can do just that with an empowered lucky armageddon and a minimal army. You'll lose and take with you a vast amount of the enemy hero's army. Then you will attack with your secondary and full army and kill off the remains.

Requirements: Destructive->armageddon, luck->warlock's luck. Others that may help are enlightenment and the artifact phoenix feather cape.
Evaluation: Requires good timing. The opponent can rarely resist the lure of an unprotected main but you must also be sure that the armageddon will do enough damage, buy your arties and get enlightenment! You must make sure that your secondary will have little problem in vanquishing the enemy main and get his town.
Know thy enemy because he may have speed arties, tactics, initiative arties and vanquish you before you play.


The dwarves have a most annoying armageddon strat. They have ignite, dwarven luck, rune of immunity, immune dragons and bears/shieldguards impervious to master of fire. BUT before you do that you will want the rune patriarchs to attack with crossfire first and possibly put a mark of fire on multiple enemies(improved chance with soldier's luck). Also, it's good to place a unit near the centre to lure the enemies where the meteor will hit for double damage.

Requirements: Destructive->ignite, luck->dwarven luck/soldier's luck, rune of elemental immunity and sorcery(optional).
Evaluation: Of the easiest to use, as long as you get the spell. Mage vaults certainly help. It will not guarantee a victory but it helps and the opponent can't do much unless he get arties or resistance.


OTHER


A mild irritation comes when you cannot eliminate the hero's main and this idea focuses on it Suppose someone hitting your remaining stack of archangels to see that one of them survives with 1 hp due to last stand. No problem he thinks and goes for another hit and the archangel DIES!! Only to see them resurrected with guardian's angel Whether you will have an upper hand or retreat it will be fun for you, especially if you can see your opponent's face.

Requirements: Defense->last stand, light magic->guardian angel.
Evaluation: Easily achievable though getting last stand would be a more attractive choice if stand your ground was more beneficial to a knight and getting basic abilities will almost always be better anyway.


So you face a mean spellcaster that is focused hurling destructive spells at your strongest stack. Damn, what to do? Hmm imagine you casting magical immunity on it and then start resurrecting! But how? You must have below expert light magic so as the resurrection not to be blocked by the immunity That should shock him enough.

Requirements: Up to advanced light magic, magical immunity, scroll of resurrection/tome of light magic
Evaluation: In some maps it is easily achievable, however you must know who you'll face and what lvl 5 spells he might have. Because implosion and puppet master will still affect you.


A dwarven strategy that can create a hopeless situation in some cases while it is midgame. You get destructive with ignite, triple ballista and start killing your opponent from afar while defending with your units. And when he attacks you he finds out you have preparation In case he has charging units such as grim raiders you may want to get swift mind so as to cast a fireball at them first but also hope to play first and defend. You get the first hit against his halfed defense

Requirements: Destructive->ignite, warmachines->triple ballista, defense->preparation, maybe logistics->swift mind.
Evaluation: The requirements are far from demanding save swift mind of course. It can work if the armies haven't reached titanic proportions yet() plus you can exploit the fact that you defend to use runes and refresh them later to have a nasty combo much in the way Doomforge suggested If you happen to have a good morale you'll ensure more retaliations vs fast units.


This time you face a knight who keeps training peasants and footmen due to lack of funds. But also because he has archery and likes to shield the marksmen and priests with squires to gain an edge How would it look if he found out he does -30% damage and with decreased initiative?

Requirements: Defense->evasion, summoning->wall of fog.
Evaluation: It's fun to use but the only likely candidate to do that is Razzak, even Dirael has master of conjuration...Rare combo.


A disruptive while emotionally satisfying way to use the blackbears is to charge with them in the middle of enemy units while having activated a rune of battlerage! D You'll see three or more units displaced hehe!

Requirements: Rune of battle rage, soldier's luck.
Evaluation: Not much to say, it's fun!


An enemy knight is amassing a massive stack of paladins against your wizard while overlooking the rest of his units, having them in small quantities. Imagine his frustration when he sees his mana inadequate due to your supress light and you keep wasp swarming them with mark of the wizard! They'll never get a turn.
Also great vs the shieldguards from a guard post, I would know!
Dirael can do something similar with rain of arrows and imbue arrow, possibly wasp swarming 3 enemy units-assuming you would ever pick her!

Requirements: Summoning->wasp swarm, mark of the wizard.
Evaluation: It can work against powerful living stacks when the opponent does not have a proportionate army. If focused on one unit it can disable it but even cast on two targets simultaneously has an effect as long as your units are battle ready or you have a ballista aid. Possible counters are magical immunity and divine guidance though the latter won't help much if wasp swarm is cast on the marked unit.


Whether someone has neutral luck or not it's fun robbing them of their good luck! And the best way to do that is get dead man's luck with Deirdre and use her banshee howl afterwards. With neutral luck the opponent will keep having his attacks halved for the next few rounds ehm hero actions!

Requirements: Deirdre for a better howl, dead man's luck, maybe  a luck decreasing artie
Evaluation: If you get luck it will work. IF.


The phoenix is a magnificent creature. Especially if you are a potent caster it is hard to take down unless it is endgame. Now, if you cast arcane armour on it and then replenish his hp with raise dead when it's about to die, it gets a tad too strong. There is the funny option of casting mass slow for it to attack more often than it's attacked or keep spamming armageddon as described in the armageddonist strategy by Towerlord

Requirements: Summoning->master of conjuration, conjure phoenix, arcane armour, raise dead/resurrection. The rest is optional and easily customizeable.
Evaluation: Hope you found a dragon utopia or vault of the mages, not easy to get both spells otherwise. Hopefully the opponent won't have good phoenix counters as well ie cold death, vorpal blade, good direct attack etc.


Finally something I found out recently and works well vs people with triple ballista. For those who hate to have their weapons turned against them: Remote control+flaming arrows+artificial glory+enlightenment. You get the enemy ballista(hopefully) and it receives your bonuses and perks that makes it all the sweeter.

Requirements: Warmachines->remote control, attack->flaming arrows, enlightenment, maybe leadership->artificial glory.
Evaluation: Hard to get requirements and questionable effectiveness as you may get the opponent's ammon cart...If it works you'll enjoy a nice spectacle



These should be enough for now, after all I'm sure you have some of your own to add I apologize for some ideas that I recycled but I felt that they had a place here, thank you for reading through this monstrous post!

Edited: Some copy-paste errors. I'm sorry for that.


The armageddon strategies are really annoying... This spell is the most tricky in the game ... and the most powerfull too ! Dungeon's Armageddon Strategy , suiciding your main doesn't seem good to me though . It's ok only if you kill the opponent hero in the process and win the game, because I doubt that you are going to win the final with a secondary hero. Abilities like Last Stand and Guardian Angel should be enough to prevent this kamikaze strategy though.

On the other hand, Academy and Fortress armageddons are really evil, and they both can win you the game ! I find the Academy one more reliable, because resistance mini artis are easy to get , but the fortress and is more powerfull because you get 100% if you are lucky in one turn ! Otherwise you will have to stall until you get imunity.


The Frenzied Teleporter
Oh yeah ... Sanyu reminded me of one of my cool dirty strategies :

Your stack has been frenzied and it is your hero's turn, but obviously you cannot Cleanse ! The best solution here is to Teleport your frenzied stack between his armys, so he takes the damage ! This is the best counter obviously, but if that isn't possible , because your troops are too mixed in front with his, you can also go for another solution , teleporting your archer stack away from the frenzied stack...
____________

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
Lesij
Lesij


Famous Hero
posted May 01, 2007 03:33 PM
Edited by Lesij at 15:35, 01 May 2007.

Great Post, dud!
I don't know more annoying startegies, than these u posted here ...
____________

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
Sanyu
Sanyu


Known Hero
posted May 01, 2007 04:12 PM

Nice post But all these refer to offensive frustrating strategies. What about defensive frustrating strategies?

Like once, someone in this forum played as academy against me and "frenzied" my succubus mistress. Since I fought a previous battle against him and knew he would do this again, I specifically left a small stack of horned overseers beside her and moved it one tile out of her movement range. So when she fired at the nearest target (my demons) and although the full damage + luck was dealt to it, it was unimportant to me and the next three shots bounced off to his own creatures

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
Beowolf
Beowolf


Adventuring Hero
posted May 01, 2007 05:10 PM
Edited by Beowolf at 17:11, 01 May 2007.

If You play as town with dark magic (Inferno, Necropolis, Haven), there is a way to counter warlock's lucky empowered spells hit'n'run strategy.  
To do so, You need sorcery and expert dark magic -> the spell we need is  a greatly underestimated curse of the netherworld If a warlock use many tiny stacks of assasins, curse will wax them all before warlock can hit the road Sure, as haven we will hurt ourselves but if our hero gets his turn before warlock, You can put him to sleep for good and score his arties. First time I used it, my enemy was greatly suprised, shortly after greatly frustrated  

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
feluniozbunio
feluniozbunio


Promising
Supreme Hero
posted May 01, 2007 05:17 PM
Edited by feluniozbunio at 17:27, 01 May 2007.

Yes.. but going 7x1 creature stack in lategame is a suicide.
And about armagedon strategies.

Get 2 warlock heroes. Lvl them both to 18 or something than give phenix feather cape to one and soem troops and go cast hopefully lucky armagedon . Then kill remainings with your second hero and rest of your army. Its tested out strategy and works wonders

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
Beowolf
Beowolf


Adventuring Hero
posted May 01, 2007 05:21 PM
Edited by Beowolf at 17:22, 01 May 2007.

That may be so, but if a warlock can reach expert destructive + 5 level mage guild in early game,  dark magic classes can go to expert dark + curse, gather 7 stacks of demons or zombies and chase hit'n'run abuser down

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
Elvin
Elvin


Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
posted May 01, 2007 08:45 PM
Edited by Elvin at 20:49, 01 May 2007.

Funny? Damn, I thought I was being informative!

Thanks Alc for sharing the link with the others! It is a brilliant piece
You are right TowerLord some are mostly on paper as they are hard to reproduce but that does not mean they are completely unfeasible. In any case they were mostly for laughs and maybe inspiring people to find others.
Thanks to all for the feedback, I will edit my original post to add them mentioning each one's contribution. Note that not all effective tactics are annoying so I may not add all that have been mentioned!
I expect to see more, keep them coming!
____________
H5 is still alive and kicking, join us in the Duel Map discord server!
Map also hosted on Moddb

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
dfortae
dfortae


Known Hero
posted May 01, 2007 09:37 PM

Quote:
frustrating combo... rune of battle rage & berserkering + warlords


I wouldn't call this frustrating.  I would call this destruction.  This can wipe out an entire army with one hit.  I've done it in duel on a number of occassions (OVERPOWERED).

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
Doomforge
Doomforge


Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
posted May 01, 2007 11:02 PM

Yeah but duel mode is quite different than normal game..

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
dfortae
dfortae


Known Hero
posted May 02, 2007 02:22 AM

Quote:
Yeah but duel mode is quite different than normal game..


Obviously.

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
PhoenixReborn
PhoenixReborn


Promising
Legendary Hero
Unicorn
posted May 02, 2007 04:52 AM

This one might be obvious, but it's fun to puppet master an archmage and shoot down the line of enemy troops.
____________
Bask in the light of my glorious shining unicorn.

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
gmmari
gmmari


Adventuring Hero
posted May 02, 2007 10:04 AM

Puppet master strategy for a dungeon player is not so terrible like for the other faction i think..
If a enemy player cast a puppet master on my creature i'm not so in trouble because it means that for a turn(most of the time)he will not attack my creature with spell or with army but he will use my army for attack some other my creature..
This means a turn lost and a turn for me for cast a new destructive spell..
____________

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
Doomforge
Doomforge


Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
posted May 02, 2007 10:12 AM

If you depend on destructive, then yes. But for any means of might warlocks it's horrible.

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
Jump To: « Prev Thread . . . Next Thread » This thread is 4 pages long: 1 2 3 4 · NEXT»
Post New Poll    Post New Topic    Post New Reply

Page compiled in 0.1542 seconds