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Shai-Hulud
Shai-Hulud


Known Hero
Sicomor
posted May 25, 2007 02:55 PM

Daily "steroids"

Coffee.
Coke.
Energy drinks.
Even ciggaretes.

We use them to "wake" us in the morning. We use them to get those wheels working. We use them to get some of the frustration in the background.


Some of us directly admit: "We have a dependancy on coffee! We neeeeeeed coffeee!" .
Some of us state: "I can give up whenever I want."
But there are still that hold on: "Hell with coffee.It's the devil's work. Impale the producers."

All that even though studies have shown on the long run, all go bad on our health.( I hope Corribus doesn't see this topic  - he will bash me 3 times to the ground )

I don't know if all of these are true, but some hell sure are....  I am experiencing them myself!
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1.Heart Disease, including high blood pressure, high cholesterol and high inflammtory indicators like homocysteine
2.Acid Reflux, GERD and Ulcers
3.Women's health problems such as PMS, menopausal symptoms, infertility, fibrocystic breasts, and osteoperosis, click here to read
4.Weight Loss
5.Diabetes and Insulin Resistance Syndome
6.Irritable Bowel Syndrome, Crohn's Disease and Colitis
7.Interstitial Cystitis
8.Sleeplessness and fatigue
9.Stress
10.Mood disorder and depression
11.Migraine headaches


As long as I've really started to study and put my brain to work ( meaning 6th grade) i started to drink coffee. By the 12th grade I had blood in coffee, not coffee in blood in my veins . This year i turned to coke.

Energy drinks.. I had a few of those too. I like the taste alot. But can't seem to figure out if they work on me. Must be a placebo effect involved also?
We all heard of the famous Red Bull( I think). But for those of you who don't know it contains Taurine. But don't think someone is milking the bulls  .

Some parents are strict when it comes for their children to drink this stuff. But still, they can't stop themselves from drinking it. My parents tried that on me. But just a little at first.

Nowdays children seem to drink more coffee (and alchohol) even more then their parents. And they grow up with this need. Maybe it's my opinion based only on the IT sector, and the others don't suffer this. You go in a lunch break in an IT office and you'll probably see alot of people in their 20's drinking their coffees and having their cigs. If you ask them why do they do it instead of drinking some orange juice mostly they will say :" get me up in the morning". But it's been 4 hours since morning

So...
Do you think coffee and all those derivates are wrong?
If so, you still consume them?
You feel addicted to them?

And the top question...
If your child needs to stay up all night to work on projects, do you let him consume the above?

Russ said :
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Do you think coffee and all those derivates are wrong?
Definitely wrong!!!!

If so, you still consume them?
I did drink tons of Coke for some time, but all that sugar has a tendency of making you fat, so I stopped. I donīt drink any of this right now.

You feel addicted to them?
No.

What combination of the above types of products do you use?
Well, if that counts, I like to drink Mate de Coca (Coke leaves tea), but this is more due to its taste. Ok, ok, it also has a kind of relaxing effect that at the same time makes your mind more concentrated.

And the top question...
If your child needs to stay up all night to work on projects, do you let him consume the above ?į
Up to a certain age: hell no!!!


Colonel_here added:
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Do I think drinking energy stimulants is wrong.
That depends on how much you use them. If you like my friend that you have been swallowing coffein pills and washing them down with red bull and coffee, than yes it is wrong. But if you use it occasionally and it works for you than it is not a problem.

I do not use any of them because personally they don't work on me. I tried several times with coffee but it just made me go to sleep.

Addiction --> no

If the kid uses it for his neeeds. This depends on age of the kid b/c they could be detremental to the kid's health. But once again if it works than why not.



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Spectrum
Spectrum


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Plan B
posted May 25, 2007 03:57 PM
Edited by Spectrum at 16:00, 25 May 2007.

Well, this is a good point. People have problems like this. It's sad, really.

Personally, I don't need anything to get me up in the morning. I just drink tea and that's just a habit. I can get by without it. I know, because sometimes there isn't any tea and it doesn't matter. I'm definetely not addicted to it.

Coffee I drink about twice per month and in the middle of the day. No addiction there.

Coke I buy when I have the chance and I'm thirsty or I'd just like something to drink and when I happen to be able to afford any...Basically, I drink it about once a month

I don't use energy drinks. I don't have the need. I'm naturally a very energetic person

But that's just me

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Do you think coffee and all those derivates are wrong?

Not really...As long as it's sensible and there's no addiction... Fine by me

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If your child needs to stay up all night to work on projects, do you let him consume the above?

Depends upon the age, really, but I'm not anyone to speak. I know nothing of parenthood. Still, I'd say the same thing as above, except none for under 12 years old...

Good job, Shai! No religion or politics involved...
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Doomforge
Doomforge


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Retired Hero
posted May 25, 2007 07:04 PM

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Do you think coffee and all those derivates are wrong?


I think nothing is wrong, including even heroin. But..

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If so, you still consume them?


.. but I never liked these things;p I dunno, they just don't interest me. I'm an abstainer (Beer tastes like cat piss to me.. :-X), I don't smoke (I hate the smell), and I don't even drink coffee, cuz I dislike its taste. Bah, I'm weird. Well, I'm the one that calls the ambulance after something goes wrong on a alcohol-orientated party cuz I'm the only sober person out there

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If your child needs to stay up all night to work on projects, do you let him consume the above?


I'm too young to answer such questions, duh.. But what do you understand by : projects. Some bureaucratic work? I'd rather advise him too loosen his necktie, then. Life is too beautiful to waste it on participating in rat race.

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TheDeath
TheDeath


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with serious business
posted May 25, 2007 07:08 PM

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.. but I never liked these things;p I dunno, they just don't interest me. I'm an abstainer (Beer tastes like cat piss to me.. :-X), I don't smoke (I hate the smell), and I don't even drink coffee, cuz I dislike its taste. Bah, I'm weird. Well, I'm the one that calls the ambulance after something goes wrong on a alcohol-orientated party cuz I'm the only sober person out there
In that case I'm a weirdo as well

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Spectrum
Spectrum


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Plan B
posted May 25, 2007 08:15 PM

Yeah many times I've been offered cigarettes and drugs and such, but I guess I don't like that kind of stuff. Although I like coffee Am I a weirdo?
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SwampLord
SwampLord


Supreme Hero
Lord of the Swamp
posted May 25, 2007 08:30 PM

Actually, coffee is addictive. Go figure?

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Shai-Hulud
Shai-Hulud


Known Hero
Sicomor
posted May 27, 2007 11:14 PM

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I'm too young to answer such questions, duh.. But what do you understand by : projects. Some bureaucratic work? I'd rather advise him too loosen his necktie, then. Life is too beautiful to waste it on participating in rat race.



No, I mean he has to do some hell of a BIG homework or class assigment and it's really impossible to do it without staying up all night.

Actually this what started me into coffeine and coffee based products. Had alot of stuff to do so I had to stay up.

And that evolved into that nice feeling when you drink your coffee in the morning and watch the sun rising. (although that happens quite rare ). Mostly I have to drink my coffee in front of the computer while working on stuff, or on the run in a break at university.

Just curious... I am the only coffeine based working guy around here?

I thought with all that promotion in movies from US showing scenes of people geting on a great talk at a coffee, many people like and are dependent on coffee.

And while we are at it.... Any heavy smokers around here? I live with a "walking fog" ( not you friend of gunnar) that is my brother who smokes 1 pack of cigs a day. And have another brother who also smokes a pack a day.

I smoked back in high-school, but not heavily. Then one day i decided to quit. And now if I have even on full ciggar I'm almost heading for some heavy puking.

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Aculias
Aculias


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Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
posted June 02, 2007 05:52 AM

It's legal, it gets me by.
We know whats in it so why complain.
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kookastar
kookastar


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posted June 02, 2007 06:06 AM
Edited by kookastar at 06:14, 02 Jun 2007.

caffiene drinks have heaps more in them than coffee.  I'm more worried about preteens and young teens who drink these like lolly water than anything else.   Excess coffee will kill you, uhuh.  So will life.  addit: of course I'm not meaning smoking - of course that is gonna kill you - duhr.

Personally I would need to take such a megadose of caffiene for it to help me stay awake that I think it would be damaging to my body ohh yeah.

Anything in moderation is ok.

Stress is a big killer - you should be organising your life so that it isn't making you feel the need to dope up on coffee {isn't that just psychological - do you really get high...} just to study for an exam.

blah blah

man I need to stop procrastinating here
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baklava
baklava


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posted June 02, 2007 12:35 PM

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Beer tastes like cat piss to me..

You have obviously never tried guiness...
The point is, I totally agree that every beer tastes like cat piss, but except guiness. Ain't that confusing?
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Aculias
Aculias


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Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
posted June 02, 2007 12:49 PM

Guiness is the perfect chaser .
Not to mention you need it to complete certain ailments of drinking
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frostwolf
frostwolf


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livin' in a bottle of vodka
posted June 05, 2007 09:57 PM

I hate coffee, and cocke as well. And I really don't like chocolate. I have a general problem with cofeine and cocoa.

Regarding the waking up - keeping you going - effect of coffee, if I have something to work on/study/read etc. and I feel sleepy, I will go to bed. I will never work when I am tired just because there is some drink made of some plant that keeps me going.

Feeling sleepy is your body's way of saying you're tired! Go to BED!

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SwampLord
SwampLord


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Lord of the Swamp
posted June 06, 2007 02:34 AM

Hmm. Lots of kids at my school drink coffee. I hope that answers your question that it is very widespread in the US- just look at Starbucks and Dunkin Donuts.

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DarkTitan
DarkTitan


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posted June 08, 2007 03:19 PM

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Regarding the waking up - keeping you going - effect of coffee, if I have something to work on/study/read etc. and I feel sleepy, I will go to bed. I will never work when I am tired just because there is some drink made of some plant that keeps me going.

Feeling sleepy is your body's way of saying you're tired! Go to BED!


You wont keep working because your tired? Even if its 11pm at night, you havent fully completed the most important assignment of the course, or you have a major exam the next day, you would go to bed rather then finish your work? Your body may not agree with your decision to stay up, but sometimes, you dont have a choice. What if its 3am in the morning, your at the hospital because a loved one was in an accident, youd rather sleep then be by their side?

Also there is the issue of going out, im not sure of your age, but i love staying out into the early hours of the morning; because its fun to socialise. Even though my body would rather be in bed asleep, i drink alcohol, caffeine, sugar, watever i need to keep going.

Caffeine is a natural alkaloid; in other words its a natural aphrodisiac which helps your body speed up or lack of a better phrase wake up lol.. There is nothing wrong with drinking coffee to stay awake, drinking soft drink, sugar, watever you can get your hands on. It may not be healthy to repeatedly stay awake, sleep deprevation is even a form of torture! I regularly absorb caffeine into the body, via coffee, caffeine tablets, or even energy drinks. It gets your mind at its fastest, and helps you move on with your day. Sometimes i get up waaay too early because of work or watever, and if i dont drink a coffee or something, il be yawning, lethargic, and tired all day at work. However one coffee, and im energetic and can concentrate for longer periods of time.

Using outside influences to help the body react quicker and improve lifestyle is not a bad thing; rather it should be embraced! I may be wrong but i doubt there has ever been conclusive evidence that proves caffeine and the like to be harmful to the body, unless in extreme doses(im not talking illicit drugs or the like here)

Thanks.
DT
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frostwolf
frostwolf


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livin' in a bottle of vodka
posted June 08, 2007 04:59 PM

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Regarding the waking up - keeping you going - effect of coffee, if I have something to work on/study/read etc. and I feel sleepy, I will go to bed. I will never work when I am tired just because there is some drink made of some plant that keeps me going.

Feeling sleepy is your body's way of saying you're tired! Go to BED!


You wont keep working because your tired? Even if its 11pm at night, you havent fully completed the most important assignment of the course, or you have a major exam the next day, you would go to bed rather then finish your work? Your body may not agree with your decision to stay up, but sometimes, you dont have a choice. What if its 3am in the morning, your at the hospital because a loved one was in an accident, youd rather sleep then be by their side?

Also there is the issue of going out, im not sure of your age, but i love staying out into the early hours of the morning; because its fun to socialise. Even though my body would rather be in bed asleep, i drink alcohol, caffeine, sugar, watever i need to keep going.

Caffeine is a natural alkaloid; in other words its a natural aphrodisiac which helps your body speed up or lack of a better phrase wake up lol.. There is nothing wrong with drinking coffee to stay awake, drinking soft drink, sugar, watever you can get your hands on. It may not be healthy to repeatedly stay awake, sleep deprevation is even a form of torture! I regularly absorb caffeine into the body, via coffee, caffeine tablets, or even energy drinks. It gets your mind at its fastest, and helps you move on with your day. Sometimes i get up waaay too early because of work or watever, and if i dont drink a coffee or something, il be yawning, lethargic, and tired all day at work. However one coffee, and im energetic and can concentrate for longer periods of time.

Using outside influences to help the body react quicker and improve lifestyle is not a bad thing; rather it should be embraced! I may be wrong but i doubt there has ever been conclusive evidence that proves caffeine and the like to be harmful to the body, unless in extreme doses(im not talking illicit drugs or the like here)

Thanks.
DT


I meant I am against using stimulents to keep yourself awake for work. No, if a loved one would suffer from an accident I would stay by them  as long as it takes - but come to think of it, in such an extreme condition the mind will not even let you realize your body may be tired; you will never feel fatigue in such situations - . But yes, if I have to work, or have an exam, and I feel sleepy, I will always go to bed. Work or school are not worth depriving myself of sleep.

As for the going out part, I have had times in my life (and still do) when night is just a short dark period in the day. Meaning that I get almost no sleep when I'm out enjoyng myself.    

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Kipshasz
Kipshasz


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Elvin's Darkside
posted June 08, 2007 05:44 PM

to wake up i use cold shower,refreshing and builds up your immune system. i drink coffe only when i stay up studying all night,coke-only in hot days having a couple of cans in a day. mmm energy dring. it got something that really give you the wings (and that ain't red bull) try new Utenos D-Light mix: beer+energy drink now that will surely grant you the wings im having this drink right now,hope i dont puke
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kookastar
kookastar


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posted June 08, 2007 09:44 PM

@ DarkTitan... {}
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However one coffee, and im energetic and can concentrate for longer periods of time.



It sounds like you are a fairly heavy caffiene user {you even take tablets right}.

I really find it hard to believe that one coffee can do this for you.  I may be wrong of course, and I'm not calling you a liar, it is just hard to believe.  If you are talking about having one in the morning - are you eating at the same time?  Because food can have the same benefit (breakfast) of starting your metab.

As for no evidence of caffiene damaging your body, lemmie have a look around.  I have it in my head that it attacks the kidneys...  can't put my finger on it though.

The whole "it's a natural substance it can't be bad" always makes me laugh.  There are plenty of toxins in nature that can kill us .
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Kipshasz
Kipshasz


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Elvin's Darkside
posted June 08, 2007 10:14 PM

agreed with Kookastar. there are plenty mushrooms and other stuff with poison,that can be eaten,but if you dont know how to cook it-youre dead.
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mvassilev
mvassilev


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posted June 09, 2007 02:54 AM

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Do you think coffee and all those derivates are wrong?

No.

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If so, you still consume them?


I don't drink coffee. I hate coffee. I do, however, drink Coke.

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You feel addicted to them?


No.

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If your child needs to stay up all night to work on projects, do you let him consume the above?


Yes. Their negative effects are far exaggerated.

What's wrong with energy supplements? Let people do what they want with their bodies (short of illegal drugs).
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kookastar
kookastar


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posted June 09, 2007 04:15 AM

I agree, let them do as they wish with their bodies.  I drink alcohol and caffiene so can't talk - anything in moderation is fine {I don't drink caffiene to get high though...}

Anyway, like I said my main concern is young kids consuming high doses of caffiene in "energy" drinks.  I see them everday have these as their only breakfast and it isn't healthy.  Not only is it replacing nutrient rich foods with a short lived 'buzz', it raises blood pressure and prevents antistress hormones in the blood so they are wired - a stressful state to be in.

Also, caffiene inhibits iron absorbtion if taken with a meal, causes dehydration through water loss, and increases excretion of calcium and magnesium.  Many children ingest insuffiecient amounts of calcium as it is, and we all know its importance for nerve function and bones.

blah blah

but you are right - a breakfast bong is maybe nearly as damaging *shrugs*, at least it gives them the munchies - just need to pack some healthy snacks to send along with it huh.

joking 'course.

whatever, I'm avoiding housework..........


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