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Heroes Community > Tournament of Honor > Thread: All of us are becoming old..
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Valentin
Valentin


Adventuring Hero
grr
posted May 27, 2007 06:49 PM

All of us are becoming old..

Why the age of H3-4-5 players is becomeing high. Why H5 is not able to join alot of yang new players? Why the activity is not so big , as all of us wish?  What can we do, what can creators and moderators in H3-5 community can do for better activity and acception of new players?

I feel like a vetaran in viterans tournament. We must show the game to yang players..  How can we change the game or Toh for yang players.  Is the Heroes/TOH going in history?
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feluniozbunio
feluniozbunio


Promising
Supreme Hero
posted May 27, 2007 07:06 PM
Edited by feluniozbunio at 19:15, 27 May 2007.

Well first thing would be start playing with them lol .. but ill leave this task to others sicne i don't gain anything from those games

There are many players in ubi servers .. if they knew about the tournament i guess many of them would be interested.

Heroes for sure are not going to history, i dunno bout toh.

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nevermind
nevermind


Famous Hero
posted May 27, 2007 07:22 PM

Well

Couple of things, First of all its an old game.. true H5 is pretty new but as a series the game is very old..

Second I personally like it ,whould you really like to play against 13 year olds?

How i see it such young players exist they play h5 but not online ,online game takes alot of time and petience most the younger players will not have the petience to go for such a long game..


I think its very good that this game is oldies mostly , As i remmeber when i was playing h3 things were not much different , Maybe here and there you had some really young players but i think activity was higher overall too,  but overall like now mostly "old" was playing it , So i think its the game itself and nothing else.
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vesuvius
vesuvius

Hero of Order
Honor Above all Else
posted May 27, 2007 09:20 PM

Simple:

-PC gaming has been on a downswing over the past decade
-Console gaming has taken over most households
-People are more into fast-twitch games, eg. Real Time strategy, Shooters
-MMORPGs take up most of the classic PC player's time, leaving none for heroes
-UBI's chatroom system is unfriendly
-Many of homm's 'veteran' players have moved on, 'matured', are no longer students, have wives, kids, and responsibilities, lost interest in gaming etc..
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fiur
fiur


Promising
Supreme Hero
Map Creator
posted May 27, 2007 11:01 PM
Edited by fiur at 23:02, 27 May 2007.

to sad but then again to

Vesuvius got to many good points in his reply...  

first of all after 100 Mp H5 games my status are:
Youngest player age: 16  Oldest player age: 59
average age: 27.1

myself age:37..... then being an "mature" Heroes player (with family and "stuff" is like walking on an knife egde...."

(sure we can talk about the "balance" of the game...
another important thing is the balance of your life as an "family man"
when it comes to gaming in an "mature" way of life you need to put x hours onto the scale pan and compare the weight with the scale pan of your social "way of life" the outcome can be like "the elven luck/warlock luck's.....  
Sure the choices may be "hard" from time to time.....
(and when the "heat is on" it's easy to forget about anything else than "gaming"  and when that happends it's easy to get "cursed" by your girlfriend/wife/cohabitant or what so ever....
so do as I do....  : cast alot of "blessing" before you enter the battlefield then the outcome may be "way" better @ your own "castle"

I'm pretty sure most of us HoMM players have been playing for "ages" now so I guess you all know whats best for you an your own well-being

finally:
Happy gaming to you all...
fiur

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Jinxer
Jinxer


Legendary Hero
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posted May 28, 2007 12:30 AM

90% cause is no ZONE type atmosphere to let all the newbies know about TOH. As ves pointed out, UBI own interface is hurting the online multiplayer world.  But I am sure they dont really care, because they didnt make H5 to be a multiplayer game. They are more concerned with people buying it for campaigns.  Until companies make the game first and foremost with multiplayer concepts and balance and ideas in mind, they wont beable to hold a multiplayer audience.
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Plexus22
Plexus22


Known Hero
posted May 28, 2007 04:15 AM

Ya I agree with Jinxer, I think there are plenty of people playing HV they just arent involved with ToH and many of them dont even play online. Look at all the players on HC who talk about the game but play only in single player or an occassional LAN game. Also like others have said, the UBI server sucks so it doesnt create a good environment for accommodating the ToH community.

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vesuvius
vesuvius

Hero of Order
Honor Above all Else
posted May 28, 2007 05:46 AM

Actually most members of the HC don't even play heroes, maybe once did, but I'm not sure their purpose lol.
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feluniozbunio
feluniozbunio


Promising
Supreme Hero
posted May 28, 2007 10:24 AM
Edited by feluniozbunio at 15:10, 28 May 2007.

I think Ubisoft isnt stupid, its their first homm game so its good enough excuse for them but i await of better online solutions on their part in HommVI. Everybody knows that online gaming is most profitable. To play campaign its enough to download a pirate version, why to bother buying original? Only people that would be buying originals to play campaigns will be true fans of the game or people with very sensitive sense of honesty. Why is Blizzard top company? Of course they do make best games but its not all, Homm was Exellent too but 3DO sunk. Reason? too few good multiplayer games and lack of support in online gaming. Why hommIV was such a zonk? It didnt even have multiplayer option when it first came out (im not counting seat mode here, without it it would be a true tragedy) This should be obvious lesson for ubi.

I don't think they make Homm mainly for campaign games. I admit that the online system is very crappy though. I think Ubi have many many projects  on the way and they don't commit themselves 100% to homm. They could have done much better if they wanted to.

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nevermind
nevermind


Famous Hero
posted May 28, 2007 05:54 PM

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I think Ubisoft isnt stupid, its their first homm game so its good enough excuse for them but i await of better online solutions on their part in HommVI. Everybody knows that online gaming is most profitable. To play campaign its enough to download a pirate version, why to bother buying original? Only people that would be buying originals to play campaigns will be true fans of the game or people with very sensitive sense of honesty. Why is Blizzard top company? Of course they do make best games but its not all, Homm was Exellent too but 3DO sunk. Reason? too few good multiplayer games and lack of support in online gaming. Why hommIV was such a zonk? It didnt even have multiplayer option when it first came out (im not counting seat mode here, without it it would be a true tragedy) This should be obvious lesson for ubi.

I don't think they make Homm mainly for campaign games. I admit that the online system is very crappy though. I think Ubi have many many projects  on the way and they don't commit themselves 100% to homm. They could have done much better if they wanted to.


Actually i think your wrong , As much as i would rather it was different but homm isn't a multiplayer attraction , Its a complicated and long game , Thats why many never play it online , I'm pretty sure the single player attracts much more in this game and i'm also pretty sure the relative multiplayer part of the players is insagnificate.

And about the money well even with piracy people buy even for single player and still its the majority part of players.
(i think 3do knew that too thats why h4 didn't come with a built in multiplayer maybe? )

So i'm sorry i'm not optimistic about the future of homm online.
Hopefully i'm terribly wrong.
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feluniozbunio
feluniozbunio


Promising
Supreme Hero
posted May 28, 2007 06:40 PM
Edited by feluniozbunio at 18:45, 28 May 2007.

H4 didn't come out with multilayer because they didnt have time to do it, they needed to release it before it was ready, the same was with h5.
Of course its not strictly multiplayer game but it has many multiplayer fans and i believe if circumstances were supporting online gaming we could have great community and big ladder with many players. Unfortunately there is no general ladder(like for example in bilizzards games) and community is divided among small tournaments and therefore new people are reluctant to join such small communities. To attract new players and keep the game alive someone has to take care of all those things. Without it games die out. Homm never had it. Now when so many mmorpgs came out many people became addicted by them and dont play anything else this is another reason to create some bonds that would hold homm players. Good game is not enough nowadays, you need to create good atmosphere and circumstances to attract new players and make them play it longer time.

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The_Mysterious
The_Mysterious


Adventuring Hero
posted May 29, 2007 09:09 AM
Edited by The_Mysterious at 09:17, 29 May 2007.

I really hope that you're all truly NOT aging too fast.
You make me worry... I don't wanna lose my future competitors,
no matter what the age! I am one of th young folk, huh? 21.

PS: Maybe increasing the number of players in clans would improve the number of Heroes joining the tournament?
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sq79
sq79


Famous Hero
posted May 29, 2007 11:47 AM

Somehow i feel this game is not made for multi player by ubi, since they have no obligations to host servers/chatrooms after selling the game.
Also game length plus turn based gaming doesn't appeal much to the online gaming crowd i guess.

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SwampLord
SwampLord


Supreme Hero
Lord of the Swamp
posted May 29, 2007 01:32 PM

I believe I, as a young person, have the patience for the game online. Unfortunately, I don't have the time for online play, and I'm not good enough for ToH anyways, so it's kinda a moot point.

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Elvin
Elvin


Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
posted May 29, 2007 01:51 PM

Well, experience can be gained with some games. However I seem to have connectivity issues lately so I won't be able to play for some time Either disconnects or I cannot see other people's games with hamachi.
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SwampLord
SwampLord


Supreme Hero
Lord of the Swamp
posted May 29, 2007 01:51 PM
Edited by SwampLord at 13:52, 29 May 2007.

Yes. For some reason, with WC at least, I keep lagging out. Stupid modem.

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nevermind
nevermind


Famous Hero
posted May 29, 2007 02:36 PM

Quote:
I believe I, as a young person, have the patience for the game online. Unfortunately, I don't have the time for online play, and I'm not good enough for ToH anyways, so it's kinda a moot point.


Well thats part of my point , For younger players it would be harder to excel at this thinking game , rather then the button smashing speed games..

But as for no time that really suprise me , a kid don't have time? i remmeber as a young kid i had all the time in the world to play computer games..

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Strawdozz
Strawdozz


Hired Hero
posted May 29, 2007 10:28 PM

Quote:
But as for no time that really suprise me , a kid don't have time? i remmeber as a young kid i had all the time in the world to play computer games..


And look where you got

Of course, if there would be 1 hour games, much more people would play Homm. Including me.. it will be hard to find the time to play, nice as I find it.
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SwampLord
SwampLord


Supreme Hero
Lord of the Swamp
posted May 29, 2007 11:50 PM
Edited by SwampLord at 23:51, 29 May 2007.

I mean my parents don't let me. If I had the time, I could get good at the game. I'm fairly decent at strategy ones. Not all kids just like "button-mashers", you know. Although some of my friends barely have the attention span for Gears of War...sigh.

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The_Mysterious
The_Mysterious


Adventuring Hero
posted May 30, 2007 07:42 AM

Well, there's always time limited mode.
There should be time, you may just have to make some time for it.
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