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kraken
Famous Hero
I just love being elemental
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posted October 24, 2007 12:46 PM |
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Edited by kraken at 12:47, 24 Oct 2007.
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I like your idea SBlister,but the white tiger reminds me of heroes 4(wich I hate).Why not try wolves instead.
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Nirual
Famous Hero
Imbued Ballista
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posted October 24, 2007 02:47 PM |
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It's fun how people can't think of any additions other than more factions. Warcraft/Starcraft are successful with only 3-4 races, which instead play very differently from each other and yet are much better balanced.
Think of it, which expansion is better,
HoF with barely anything more than a new faction, some new neutral creatures, maps, campaigns and caravans as the only notable new feature,
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Tote, which does all that, expands the scripting functions, expands the existing factions with alternate upgrades, and a bunch of new features like a kingdom overview, a visible DE bar and tons of other new features?
Bottom-line, only adding Nagas wouldn't make the next heroes worth a full game in my book.
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In ur base killing ur doods... and raising them as undeads.
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xerox
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
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posted October 24, 2007 08:01 PM |
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Okey, now i will complete my list.
Haven.
1. Peasant-Pikeman-Landlord
2. Hunter-Bounty Hunter-Witchunter
3. Foot Soldier-Squire-Crusader
4. Griffin-Regal Griffin-Golden Griffin
5. Nun-Disciple-Zealot
6. Equestrian-Champion-Templar
7. Angel-Archangel-Seraph
Inferno
1. Imp-Guardien Imp-Manaeater
2. Incubi-Incubus Sinner-Night terror
3. Hellhound-Cerberus-Orthus
4. Succbui-Temptress-Tormentor
5. Dark Spirit-Pit Efreet-Shadow Efreet
6. Fiend-Pit Lord-Abyssal Fiend
7. Devil-Archdevil-Hell Baron
Sylvan
1. Wisp-Forest Wisp-Mystic Wisp
2. Apprentice-Blademaster-Bladesinger
3. Archer-Grand Archer-Bowsinger
4. Pegasi Rider-Silver Rider-Hippogriff Warden
5. Treant-Forest Protector-Cryptic Treant
6. Unicorn-Lunar Unicorn-Magical Unicorn
7. Green Wyrm-Golden Wyrm-Fairy Wyrm
Dungeon
1. Infected One-Corrupted One-Cursed One
2. Guard-Elite Guard-Black Guard
3. Beholder-Mind Destroyer-Mind Gazer
4. Minotaur-Minotaur Gladiator-Minotaur Captain
5. Ooze-Plauge Spawn-Explosive Ooze
6. Shadowpriest-Dark Archon-Curse Lord
7. Scarlet Dragon-Black Dragon-Blood Dragon
Necropolis
1. Skeleton-Cursed Skeleton-Plauged Ghoul
2. Werewolf-Alpha Werewolf-Lycanthrope
3. Ghost-Banshee-White Lady
4. Vampire-Vampire Prince-Nosferatu
5. Lich-Demilich-Ancient Mummy
6. Revenant-Restless Revenant-Wraith
7. Bone Dragon-Shadow Dragon-Spirit Dragon
Academy
1. Gremlin-Gremlin Artificer-Enraged Gremlin
2. Gargolye-Enchanted Gargolye-Rune Gargolye
3. Golem Worker-Golem Guard-Battle Golem
4. Mage-Archmage-Battle Mage
5. Genie-Master Genie-Enchanter
6. - Not Rakshasas or Naga.
7. Colossus-Titan-Storm Lord
Fortress
1. Halfing-Halfing Enigeer-Halfing Saboteur
2. Ironman-Steelman-Automaton
3. Stoneguard-Mountain Guard-Battleguard
4. Bear Rider-Blackbear Rider-Whitebear Rider
5. Runepriest-Runemaster-Runeseeker
6. Giant-Fire Giant-Ice Giant
7. Iron Dragon-Steel Dragon-Dragongolem
Birdmen, cannot find a good name. But the town ins called Tower.
Note that i did not plan many creatures for this time and couldnt find good names.
1. Birdmen Soldier-Birdmen Windwarrior-Birdmen Elite
2. Bandit-Master Rogue-Assasian
3. Harpy-Savage Harpy-Caladria
4. Sage-Oracle-Farseer
5. Hippogriff-Cliff Hippogriff-Great Hippogriff
6. Chimera-Chimera Martiarch-Chimeare King
7. Roc-Thunderbird-Firebird
Naga
1. Lizardmen-Tribal Stalker-Shaman
2. Serpent Fly-Dragon Fly-Fire Fly
3. Lakeguard-Swamp Warden-Swamp Gladiator
4. Basilisk Rider-Hag Rider-Shaman Rider
5. Witch-Dread Gorgon-Witch Queen
6. Quotl-Quotl King-Feathered Quotl
7. Hydra-Viperous Hydra-Chaos Hydra
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GenieLord
Honorable
Legendary Hero
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posted October 24, 2007 10:34 PM |
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Quote:
Much of these creatures aren't famous, so they would probably never happen.
One of the major points in creating a faction is being creative to create new interesting creatures, not only famous ones. If we used only famous ones, we would likely get a lineup of more beast creatures that don't have much relation to each other, although it's a possiblity, too.
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And are these all towns? What happend to the haven, dungeon and the others? There are few returning creatures from previous homm-games in this way, and I like the previous homm-creatures better (Dragons, Undead, Demons, griffons and others.)
This is a suggestion only for the new factions. The old ones are still there, I just didn't feel it's necessary to reorganize them, since the major changes in the "formal" factions (Haven, Inferno, etc.) won't be in the line-ups.
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sith_of_ziost
Promising
Supreme Hero
Scouting the Multiverse
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posted October 25, 2007 03:17 AM |
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Again, So much to respond to after a day at school.
The Cities of the East chould be the Tower. It is a race of Ancient Wizened Bird-Kind topped with the Garuda. I think i want to draw up some specs. (works with dilligent effort to make a brilliant faction).
Well I see if I can do it. If so, I'll post the link to the thread Here.
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Steel Yourself for War
Next Set: Mirrodin
Beseiged
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vicheron
Known Hero
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posted October 25, 2007 04:45 AM |
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My suggestion for new races includes 5 new races: Nagas, Centaurs, Nomads, Trolls and Mindflayers.
The Mindflayers Cavern:
1. Illithid - Psionic Illithid | Ulitharid
2. Shadowling - Dark Shadowling | Thick Shadowling
3. Beholder - Evil Eye | Master Beholder
4. Venom Spawn - Toxic Spawn | Acidic Spawn
5. Shadow Caster - Shadow Priest | Dark Caster
6. Arquen - Quick Arquen | Anri Arquen
7. Mawashee - Night Mawashee | Tombs Mawashee
Mindflayers are copyrighted by Wizards of the Coast.
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watcher83
Supreme Hero
Child of Malassa
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posted October 25, 2007 12:41 PM |
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11 factions, just like fabrice said one time
8 existing ones + naga,free cities and dragonknights
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bixie
Promising
Legendary Hero
my common sense is tingling!
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posted October 25, 2007 02:24 PM |
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hold your horses, it might not be dragonknights.
it could be something else... i don't know, like the insectiods, or the Patheran, or some kind of weird thing like that
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Love, Laugh, Learn, Live.
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xerox
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
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posted October 25, 2007 07:37 PM |
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Ooops i forget about teh Dragonkngighta but i wont psot them here, for a special reason.
Templars are Paladins.
I think that Heroes of Might and Magic lacks females...
And they fit into the storyline, King Andrei did almost destroy religion and Erina, his best friend and the most talented Cleric in the world, leds them.
I also liked Nightmares, but i needed to balance the town.
And Incubuses are male Succubuses, i cant see an female succubus get upgraded to an male incubus.
I never understood the creature called Familar, Guardien Imp is an real créature in folklore.
Well, the hero is named Ranger and the human shooter is called Hunter, so i had to take Archer.
Winged Nightmares in Sylvan? Thats sounds very strange.-
Those reants are small creatures and unicorns are large, i thougt it was more fitting.
And i almsot scrapped Treants from my list in the begining.
Beholders are about sight, not about brains.
???
So there weapons is too see people?
Skeletons are classic, since when was Vampires undead?
In the campaign the Werewolfs are allies of the Necropolis and their leader has only one quest, to kill the human king.
Academy.
Yeh, i had nothing planned to this town.
Well, it seems I don't really like this town. :-p
I think that Heroes of Might and Magic always lacked a town like this, and i hate the fortress faction.
Harpies = Female, Caladria = Male Priests = Same Race.
Shamans aren't level 1 creatures...
Why? There are lv1. Goblin Shamans.
I tried to not copy paste, like many others (the Weekly Faction Contest...).
Oh, and here are the orcs, i never found good names.
1. Goblin-Goblin Swarmer--
2. Axethrower-Berserker--
3. Ogre-Ogre Chief-Ogre Magus
4. Amazon Fighter-------------
5. Battler-Warlord-Bloodlord
6. Wyvern-Pao Kai-Greater Wyvern
7. Cyclop-Cave Cyclop-Untamed Cyclop
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Over himself, over his own
body and
mind, the individual is
sovereign.
- John Stuart Mill
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Rogue_Lord
Bad-mannered
Hired Hero
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posted October 25, 2007 07:50 PM |
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Quote:
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Archer? Ranger - Hunter - Sharpshooter
I have Read Xerox's thread
He told that Elves protect the animals, and not hunt them...
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I will steal all your money!
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xerox
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
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posted October 25, 2007 09:56 PM |
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Edited by xerox at 20:06, 04 Nov 2007.
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Okey, i give up.
I dont know much about Dungeons and Dragons but i thougt it was cool that H3 like Beholders destroy other peoples soul and mind with their eye rays.
I never heard about Winged Nightmares, and i already have 3 flyers in my Inferno (Imps, Efreets and Devils).
The Caladria thing is also about balance, i cant have 4 flyers in one faction and Caladrias looks like Harpies, so i made them the same race.
Well, i thougt that Incubus really desvered their own place, they can put female creatures into sleep or cast curses on them (when they are sleeping), but they also shoot fireballs.
The Succubus of Heroes 6 are offensive walkers, they use "chain-whips" in combat and can seduce males.
Edit: Yeh, i will probably change Manaeater to Familar.
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Over himself, over his own
body and
mind, the individual is
sovereign.
- John Stuart Mill
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sith_of_ziost
Promising
Supreme Hero
Scouting the Multiverse
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posted November 04, 2007 07:54 PM |
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First, one comment I must make
How can something be genderless? Is a tree a male or female?
Now, I said if I made a Tower Faction, I'd post it here. So, Look for "Need Help on Some Aspects". Its me trying to complete the tower.
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Steel Yourself for War
Next Set: Mirrodin
Beseiged
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xerox
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
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posted November 04, 2007 08:05 PM |
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There are genderless insects in real life.
And i dont think that an demonic being with no physical body has an gender, i takes however other peoples bodies.
( My Succubus/Incubus have genders).
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Over himself, over his own
body and
mind, the individual is
sovereign.
- John Stuart Mill
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sith_of_ziost
Promising
Supreme Hero
Scouting the Multiverse
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posted November 08, 2007 01:08 AM |
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BTW, my question was meant to sound sarcastic as in are you really asking this. I rethought the example though. Try this-
Is a rock male or female? As in, its a special thing brought about be magic and does not reproduce, but spawn.
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Daystar
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Back from the Dead
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posted November 08, 2007 02:34 AM |
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11: Existing, Naga, Werewolf (Bestial/shapeshifting), Conflux.
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How exactly is luck a skill?
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sith_of_ziost
Promising
Supreme Hero
Scouting the Multiverse
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posted November 08, 2007 05:21 AM |
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Oh, by saying Conflux you've sparked my interest. The Conflux could be the one true neutral in the whole game. Maybe wary against Academy due to their attempts to control them, but cool all the same. Werewolves, ehhh, I don't know. It might be a little too...B-Movie. I mean, sure as a creature, but not as a race.
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Steel Yourself for War
Next Set: Mirrodin
Beseiged
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xerox
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
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posted January 05, 2008 03:39 PM |
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I think all old towns (but Dungeon is controlled by Minotaurs and Faceless) + Naga, Swamp & Free Cities (these are dragonknights + surviving dark elfs).
Maybe i will change swamp with insectoids.
We shall see when i make a new Xerox HoMM6.
I didnt have much experience when I created my old.
Also i like my old suggestion, Mercenary Towns.
These towns would randmly appear in special places.
In the mercenary towns you can hire Tier 1, 3, 6 and 7 creatures.
These have no upgrades and cost a bit more
A mercenary town also works as a Sanctuary.
No one can control the mercenary towns.
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Over himself, over his own
body and
mind, the individual is
sovereign.
- John Stuart Mill
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dadadeda
Tavern Dweller
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posted January 05, 2008 08:16 PM |
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So many good ideas! I think a aquatic town would be nice I have a lot of thoughts about what factions but not right off the top of my head right now but what are mawashees? I looked them up but nothing couldn't find any info.
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Landsknecht
Adventuring Hero
Askin' for war :p and payments
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posted January 09, 2008 11:37 AM |
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I have my own idea of factions (not completed as yet).... and unit lists
The Castle (Human states)
Heroes:
- Knight (Might)
- Chaplain (Magic)
Citizen
- Spearman  Pikeman / Halberdier
Footslogger Melee unit. push of pikes (i will give you an information of renaissance tactics)
- Harquebusier Musketeer (rapid fire, no melee penalty) / Rifleman (no obstacle penalty)
Shooter
- Gryphon Gryphon Hussar / Heavy Gryphon
Flyer
- Swordsman (shield allies) Gendarmerie (shield allies, can Stun opponents) / Landsknecht (attacks twice, shield allies) ..... tanker
- Monk Inquisitor (-1 morale to all enemy opponent) / Exorcist (200% extra damage against "evil" creatures)
Spellcaster: excels at buffing/ may heal allies
- Cavalier (jousting bonus) Lancer (jousting attack bonus, attacks any opponent on the way) / Dragoon* (mounted shooter with limited ammo/ jousting bonus when melee)
Mounted unit
- Angel Arch Angel / Fallen Angel
Flyer, Resurrection, Hates devil
Creeps (no citizen but loyal to the factions)
- Peasant
taxpayer, can be trained to better units via training grounds.
The Hideout (Human outlaws)
Heroes:
- Brigand (Might)
- Rogue Mage (Magic)
Citizen
- Brawler Rogue / Swabbie (piracy)
weak units, able to recieve future training
- Gunman Gangster / Buccaneer (piracy)
Shooter. uses rifle
- Scout Assassin / Wakou* (piracy)
semi cavalry, hit and run just like harpy. no enemy retaliation
- Fencer Swashbuckler/ Corsair (piracy)
Semi-tanker. attack first
- Gambler Cardcaptor / Fortuneteller (piracy)
Magician, exels at debuff
- Rough Rider Rough Raider / Vaulter (piracy)
Mounted unit
- Gunslinger Duelist / Pirate Captain (piracy)
Elite shooter. rapid fire. no melee penalty
.... more to come
*anyone has better name please tell me
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Moonlith
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
If all else fails, use Fiyah!
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posted January 09, 2008 12:11 PM |
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Btw, concerning the entire topic... I feel there should never be used creatures that don't have a decent background in lore, primairily ancient greek lore and general fantasy lore.
Making a lot of factions is fun but, the more factions you make, the harder a time you will have to scrape the floors for finding: A) Something that sets them apart and makes them special, OTHER than a racial skill, and B) decent creatures.
Self-invented races or creatures honestly should never be used in heroes of Might and Magic.
Personally I feel there are some things that should NEVER be changed due to them defining a faction, such as Woodelves in Sylvan (rip them out, and you crush the whole sylvan concept).
Haven: Cavalry, Crusader-like knights, Archers. Defining factors: Defense, Morale
Sylvan: Woodelves, Unicorns. Defining factors: Defense? Luck?
Academy: Golems, Mages, Genies, Titans. Defining factors: 3 shooters in lineup, many casters?
Dungeon: Minotaurs, Black Dragons. Definining factors: High spellpower, high costs.
Inferno: Imps, Cerberi, Devils. Defining factors: High offense, weak defense.
Necropolis: Skeletons, Vampires, Liches, Bone Dragons. Defining factors: High quantity, Morale breaking ?
Stronghold: Goblins, Orcs, Ogres, Cyclops. Defining factors: Attack, no magic.
Those are I feel the 7 key factions that should always be present in one way or another. Change it, and you ruin what Heroes of Might and Magic has build up so far. I firmly believe it was one reason why Heroes 4 was less favoured.
I may not be the most innovative person around, but I think if something is good, you don't change it again. You only perfect what was wrong with it.
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