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angelito
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
proud father of a princess
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posted November 14, 2007 02:10 PM |
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5 minutes before he made his first move in battle? There is only 1 player I know who takes that much time before he starts to move....
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Better judged by 12 than carried by 6.
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liophy
Famous Hero
Bulgarian
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posted November 14, 2007 02:10 PM |
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I don't see the "mass slow" as a BIG mistake. Not too many options for him....
Actually, no ANY other option, so mass slow is not a mistake - offcourse. But the question is WHEN to cast it.
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Mytical
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Chaos seeking Harmony
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posted November 14, 2007 02:11 PM |
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Indeed, I was going on HV, my appologies. Didn't notice this was an h3 game.
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Message received.
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maretti
Responsible
Supreme Hero
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posted November 14, 2007 02:31 PM |
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Edited by maretti at 14:37, 14 Nov 2007.
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5 minutes before he made his first move in battle? There is only 1 player I know who takes that much time before he starts to move....
And that is?
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Well, if he cheat, that might helped him in the building of the game - in order to be 33-22
33-22 on jebus dosent indicate cheating. Check out the saves and find something concrete before you state that something is wrong.
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Crag rules, Orrin and Ivor suck
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liophy
Famous Hero
Bulgarian
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posted November 14, 2007 02:48 PM |
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Edited by liophy at 14:53, 14 Nov 2007.
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Offocourse it doesnt indicate cheating! I didnt mean that the stats are unreal. I said that you could help your progres if you know when and where to go. You will not waste time and will not go in the wrong direction. So in the end you will have the highest possible stats.
For sure its not like every turn there is cheat. There may not be a cheat at all. But its not our first game. There may be some slight cheat in the previous game, to see some required info. To know weather he need to break ASAP, or he may go and take the near Tope, wich will cost him half a day or 1 day. And you cant see this in the saves. Both decisions looks credible.
Its just that when you see such surprising act, as the casting of the slow in the beggining, you get suspicious. You just dont know. He may have laptop and look how the map unfold the next turns. He may look while its my turn.
And actually this may explain why it took so long for him to take his first move - he checked what my progress was since the last day.
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maretti
Responsible
Supreme Hero
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posted November 14, 2007 02:55 PM |
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Well you never know what people are doing, so you might be right. But with this material I dont see indications of cheating, especially when I dont know who we are talking about.
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Crag rules, Orrin and Ivor suck
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liophy
Famous Hero
Bulgarian
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posted November 14, 2007 03:01 PM |
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At least you say casting slow from the beggining is big mistake. And it will be big surprise if it comes from very experienced player.
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Xarfax111
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
The last hero standing
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posted November 14, 2007 06:05 PM |
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@liophy
Maybe he did just do a gamble. Like "I can win if i cast slow now, maybe he has no expert haste, so he is Toast, otherwise I am Toast". I did the same a few times too, still i agree that it is very unusual, and most of the times someone does the spell too early the game is lost.
As some people dont think about their endfight strategy it is NOT really UNUSAL if they only concentrate on earth magic. Some people even reject other magic then earth all the time. Im more then pretty sure that air was offered to you too ...so in the end it was your fault.
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liophy
Famous Hero
Bulgarian
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posted November 14, 2007 06:13 PM |
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Yes, air was offered as 7-th skill. As you know - beastmaster is being ofered air only once - for me it was 7-th skill. As i mention earlier - fight happen in the beggining of 1.2.7 - relativelly early. So i couldnt level up all 8 skills. In my area i didnt have darn pandora for exp  there was almost no monsters to fight either. Actualy i lost 1/3 day to divert to fight lots war unicorns in order to get expert earth. I broke 1.2.6 but it turned out to be late - his castle turned out to be almost near the guards and he broke earlier than me. I had 2 full turns to my break. So all in all - he played at his best, me too - but he was able to get faster to the goods. But all that is irrelevant to the topic.
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SAG
Promising
Supreme Hero
WCL owner
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posted November 14, 2007 06:24 PM |
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i disagree that casting slow in this situation can be "clear indication of cheating".
few moments:
1) opponent should have EXPERT Air, not just Air. For me priority is always Earth, so if i got offered Air i may refuse to take it at beginning, waiting for Earth and developing other good skills. If you met early (1.2.7 is pretty early) - then there is chance that opponent still has only 5-6 skills on expert level. I would say that Taz will have Expert Air 50% time. If i'm offered Water, i often take it. AA+ Clone is great. Mass Bless/Prayer are great too. Mass Dispel/Cure are useful. What can u name in Air school except Haste?
2) Tazar may be not lucky on early level-up, resulting in bad skill tree.
3) Even on Jebus it's not so easy to get Haste - you are normally busy with some other things like topes/cons/hives or exploring trezzone.
4) as Maretti said probability of Air is only 1.
etc...
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Xarfax111
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
The last hero standing
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posted November 14, 2007 06:41 PM |
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For me priority is always Earth, so if i got offered Air i may refuse to take it at beginning, waiting for Earth and developing other good skills.
If earth is "priority" this is may one of the biggest faults you can do.
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legend_killer
Tavern Dweller
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posted December 15, 2007 09:59 AM |
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Hi , boys ...
...this month 2 of my country players were alleged me , that I am a CHEATER !!!
Before 1 week I saw that one of them was writed a post here in HC about me ,but didn't said my name...
..and now I will announced it (my name) ,because I'm not afraid and I'm 100% sure that I'm not a Cheater.
I'm writing this to hear your opinion and to show and explain the situations which they point to me for a cheating...
pls be honest in your replies....
1-st game was with Liophy...actually most of know about it....there he blame me for cheating by casting slow...
In his post he express to u almost everything about the battle except 2 things.....he did't set all his creatures out of my range and I wasn't thinking 5 min ( it was actually not more than 2 )
I clearly remember that he place the angels in the range of my crusaders
...so my idea by casting slow is to reach his angel with the crusaders before his angels were on turn (as u know from his post that i'm with +2 speed ) , but of course I was hoping
in case he cast mass slow to resisted it with the crusaders (i have a exp resistance).... so if i hit his Angels with my wyverns,zealots,marks,crusads and finally with my AA i guess
that i would be able to kill all his angels....and then GAME OVER for him , my stats are twice or more better than his and should be easy to finish him....
...BUT u were right I made a mistake.....bur mistake wasn't that I cast slow , i was that i didn't attack him with the wyverns , cause i was busy to answer his annoying questions :
" u there " , " what u are doing " , "hurry up i must get up early tomorrow foe work " and ect . ( it was 4 a.m.).
...he said that i have a laptop either...it is my mother's and it's business laptop and he brings it home until I buy a new PC ( I buy it before 3 months , so i haven't laptop at home )
That's all I can say about this "CHEAT"
The other guy said that I'm a cheater because he can't beat me in 6-7 games....
.... I want to ask u something....how many times u will take wisdom on jebus 1-2-4 if u already have exp.attack,resistance ,logistic,earth basic air and u are offered between adv. air and basic wisdom ?
Cause I take wisdom - and that automatic makes me "CHEATER" ( the other guy's opinion) , because after 2 or 3 turns I get a pandora with all earth magic in the desert !!!!
And this is very unusual to find a that kind of pandora...according to him ...
And at last but not at least ,Liophy, before to point to somebody for cheating ....... look yourself first....pls would you explain us when u goes in the crypt how we are suppose that to know there are 5 or 10 vampires ?
...i saw 2 or 3 saves ( I think it was 1-1-3 Jebus and 1-1-2 Balance) against other players that u do this thing .... passed the crypts with 10 vamps and attack the crypts without vamps.
That's all for now...cya guys gl and HF  ) !!!!
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liophy
Famous Hero
Bulgarian
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posted December 15, 2007 12:44 PM |
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Edited by liophy at 13:00, 15 Dec 2007.
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First of all - did i mention your name in the post? How can i point a finger on you since i dont tell your name? Angelito even requested to tell what is the name, but i didnt tell it.
About the crypts, please - send me this saves. Because i can send you saves where actually i killed myself in crypts with 10 vamps. One of such games was against Dradra74. Actually half of my losses are from suicides or from loosing angels in fights (2 games against Fanko i lost an angel and lost games latter, 1 game i just suicide myself completly against Niki4a and report loss). How can it be possiblle if i know what and where to expect?
About the second game - you say that this boy cannot beat you 6-7 games. Thats so impodent!!!
In one of this game he beat you fair and sqaure, but you refused to accept defeat, because he didnt fight all 3 of the guards to the treasurry area. You know perfectly the rule for FMG, you fight all the time just 1 guard, but this time you decide to refuse ot accept it, just to avoid defeat. The most ridiculous thing is, that you report a win for you in this game. Thats hillarious!!!!
In another game between you and him you were left with 3 AA angainst more than 20 wyverns with same stats. And the rule in WCL is that attacker must retreat in case of draw. You refused to do so.
Its clear who want to win on all cost.
About the wisdom - just tell me - in how many of your other games you did get wisdom? If you get wisdom in every game on Jebus i will accept that its ok, its normal moove. But if its the first time that you get it (prefered it over advance air, not instead of navigation) and it turns out that this gives you implo - what an interesting coincidence.
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SAG
Promising
Supreme Hero
WCL owner
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posted December 15, 2007 05:05 PM |
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really sad when good players blame each other
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maretti
Responsible
Supreme Hero
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posted December 15, 2007 05:41 PM |
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Well I think its good entertainment, also shows that people are dedicated. Makes me think back at the good old days with lots of disputes. Frank, Petrus, Cpcos, the Vinz etc. Was in a dispute or two myself.
I remember the first game I had against Tim555, some poor temp, L with under, I was castle against his ramp, Valeska vs Mepha. He could see me from far away but didnt expect me to reach his town, I couldnt reach his town but placed myself on a monolit close to, so that his army was cut in two and he couldnt get back with his chain and ended turn emidiatly after (time was running out). That move won me the game but he acused me of either cheating or being som vet under a new name. He simply wouldnt believe some noob had beaten him like that. I had learned that trick the hard way a few weeks earlier against killer1984 (or something like that). I think I convinsed him later on though, that I was just myself.
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Crag rules, Orrin and Ivor suck
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legend_killer
Tavern Dweller
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posted December 16, 2007 11:20 AM |
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I know that you didn't say my name(in the post) , but as I said i did
not do anything unfair or wrong to cover my my name !!!
About the second game - you say that this boy cannot beat you 6-7 games. Thats so impodent!!!
In one of this game he beat you fair and sqaure, but you refused to accept defeat, because he didnt fight all 3 of the guards to the treasurry area. You know perfectly the rule for FMG, you fight all the time just 1 guard, but this time you decide to refuse ot accept it, just to avoid defeat. The most ridiculous thing is, that you report a win for you in this game. Thats hillarious!!!!
So....again and again u didn't express whole of the truth...
Yes,you're right I refused to accept his win at the beginning but 2 weeks after this game when we talk about it with that guy, I read carefully WCL rule for FMG and said : "Now I see that I was wrong, please write to SAG and tell him to escalate my win".
Because I know that u are very suspect, you can see our conversation in
Skype history.
About the second game you said "DRAW GAME"!!! Yes, 3 or 4 turn I try to place my AA in a better position and hoping for morale but...
Here I didn't resurrect with my AA .... In the next turn I'm first
and resurrect the zealots which are in the bottom left of the pick.
Is this a draw game according to you?....
And about the wisdom...I have over 40 games in WCL in over 15 games I have wisdom as skill. I didn't say that I learn it every game , but I
take it often too .....
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maretti
Responsible
Supreme Hero
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posted December 16, 2007 12:36 PM |
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If he moves the wyverns one step forward you cant hide from them, it can never be a draw.
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legend_killer
Tavern Dweller
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posted December 16, 2007 12:45 PM |
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RIGHT!!!
...and he moves it .... than next round begins and I resurrect the zealots and he attack AA...
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angelito
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
proud father of a princess
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posted December 16, 2007 07:05 PM |
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You resurrect 10 zealots with 3 Archangels. How do u win vs 24 wyverns then?
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Better judged by 12 than carried by 6.
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legend_killer
Tavern Dweller
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posted December 16, 2007 07:45 PM |
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Angelito,my stats are "little bit" higher than his ...
I'm not 100% sure but ,as I can remember the wyverns can't take 1 AA
you can test it
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