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Artas1984
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posted January 02, 2008 04:26 PM |
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The tournament idea is great in any way, but as i remember your rules were very restricted: there are lots of things not allowed here.
And one more thing: a member can register in this forum TODAY and he might play alot better than any of the forum moderators or members with their BS "stars", know what i mean?
BTW, what maps do you play? I'd like to view and decide are they good enough for a competetive MP match or are they unballanced, unrealistic. Just a look on a map and i already can decide is this real or a joke..
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liophy
Famous Hero
Bulgarian
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posted January 02, 2008 04:32 PM |
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Edited by liophy at 16:32, 02 Jan 2008.
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This post is about the MINI tournment Bulgaria - Lithuania. Others may consider it "private". So players like Artas are welcome to take a look, but since they dont participate in it, there is no point in arguing about the rules under wich this tournment is played.
If Artas regards WCL tournment or anything else - he is welcome to make coment, but in the right place.
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black_knight
Known Hero
LT League
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posted January 02, 2008 04:44 PM |
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The tournament idea is great in any way, but as i remember your rules were very restricted: there are lots of things not allowed here.
And one more thing: a member can register in this forum TODAY and he might play alot better than any of the forum moderators or members with their BS "stars", know what i mean?
BTW, what maps do you play? I'd like to view and decide are they good enough for a competetive MP match or are they unballanced, unrealistic. Just a look on a map and i already can decide is this real or a joke..
Most popular maps are Random Maps + Random Template. There is several great templates and we play it. If about this Tourney, all can see, that 2 from one, other 2 from other side templates was choosed. If you like/play Fixed maps, i have some news : 3 LT Official Tourney will be on bests Fixed maps 
--- Geriau paaiskink ka turejai minty savo antra pastraipa, nes visko gerai dar nekertu angliskai ---
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Artas1984
Adventuring Hero
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posted January 02, 2008 06:44 PM |
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Actualy i wanted to participate 2 years ago, since i am from LT, but when i saw the rules, i turned back.
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maretti
Responsible
Supreme Hero
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posted January 02, 2008 06:49 PM |
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We have had this discussion in some other threads before. Find them, read them and post there if you still arnt convinsed.
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Crag rules, Orrin and Ivor suck
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black_knight
Known Hero
LT League
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posted January 02, 2008 07:20 PM |
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Actualy i wanted to participate 2 years ago, since i am from LT, but when i saw the rules, i turned back.
I think you found all possible rules and thinked, that all players must play with these. No. In all leagues players discuss, which they will use, or maybe play without ? (some Fixed maps dont need it) and then they both agree and play.
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black_knight
Known Hero
LT League
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posted January 02, 2008 07:22 PM |
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And as Liophy, maretti said, this is no place to discuss about rules.
Now please only about Tourney Games, Rezults only.
If not about this, then is private, other topics.
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bloucester
Famous Hero
MSN can go to hell
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posted January 02, 2008 07:33 PM |
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First, I don't see a PRIVATE label anywhere (if you wanted it to be private, why post here?????? the PRIVATE circle of players from Bulgaria and Lithuania plays their own PRIVATE games and knows their PRIVATE results, so, once again, WHY POST HERE IN THAT CASE???), and second, everyone is free to express their opinion. it's a simple thingy called DEMOCRACY. By the people, for the people...
And finally, Maretti, you are a great player but you should really change your attitutde. In other words, mind your own business.
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liophy
Famous Hero
Bulgarian
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posted January 02, 2008 08:08 PM |
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Edited by liophy at 22:49, 03 Jan 2008.
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The Forum and the discussion is not private. Private is only the tournment. 4 bulgarians agreed to play 4 lithauanian and all participants agreed over the rules. Then somebody comes from somewhere and tells these people that their rules sux, their mini-tourment sux and so on. Well, who ask for his opinion over the rules?
He may discuss the results, the mistakes and everithing about the games (which probably is why the post is placed here for all people). But its non of his business to tell these 8 people what rules to choose and how to play.
If i am not clear, i will make it even more clear. Its like somebody to come and say - Heroes3 sux, you have to play only Heroes 5, your tournment sux and so on...
And Blo, you kind of contradict yourself. First you say its democracy and then you tell Maretti to mind his own business? If its democracy he has the right to give his opinion, hasnt he?
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bloucester
Famous Hero
MSN can go to hell
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posted January 02, 2008 11:44 PM |
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you are absolutely right liophy - maretti HAS the right to tell his opinion. the problem is that instead of doing so, he is telling other people what to do.
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maretti
Responsible
Supreme Hero
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posted January 03, 2008 12:35 AM |
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Edited by maretti at 01:24, 03 Jan 2008.
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@bloucester: I wasnt trying to hand out orders. It was just a suggestion, since I know there are other threads about this subject and it would be helpfull to start with whats allready written instead of starting from scratch (in a thread about something else). But ill have to admit that with the tabel of content in its present state, its very hard to find these threads. I just spent 10 min with no luck.
I wouldnt mind discussing rules but it seems it should be in a new thread.
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Crag rules, Orrin and Ivor suck
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angelito
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
proud father of a princess
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posted January 03, 2008 10:07 PM |
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First of all, it is either the THREAD OPENER or a MODERATOR who decides what is called "on topic" or "off topic". As I can see, the thread opener replied to this "opinion" of user artas1984;
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If your tournament rules have not changed like the last time i checked it some years ago, this "tournament" sux.
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Show us your level in Heroes III and then you will can say your opinion about this Great Tournament rules, where play bests both sides players. If you play without rules - thats your choise. Only you will be never better then Basic or Average player in H3 
No words of "off topic" here. And he even replied later on again when discussion went further.
Don't expect other members staying on topic if the thread opener doesn't behave like that himself.
Contacting a Mod would have been an option, but did not happen.
Question to the the Thread Opener:
If u like, I will delete all posts which do not refer directly to this tournament. Otherwise we keep it as it is, and no more off topic from now on. Open a new thread to the topics "Rules in MP?", "MP or SP, who is stronger?" and similar ones.
One more point about rules and why MP (tournament) may be stronger than guys/girls who play without any rules:
90% of the rules which are made for tournament games are made for keeping the game more balanced refering to "ruin the game". I don't think using "diplomacy", "dimension door", "fly" or "cartographer" makes a player more skilled. But fighting the same map without those spells/skills needs more skill.
There are only little rules needed in my eyes. Those who are considered "game breakers". Banning heroes, artefacts, battle spells, dwellings are NOT considered game breakers in my eyes.
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Better judged by 12 than carried by 6.
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bloucester
Famous Hero
MSN can go to hell
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posted January 03, 2008 11:26 PM |
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I have to agree with angelito once again. when i pick the rules of a game, i ban diplo, fly and dimension door. that's all. sadly, there are not many people who agree to play like this.
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Fank0
Known Hero
There are no limits
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posted January 04, 2008 08:02 AM |
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Heroes is not chess , however let us not make it roulette also
Certain restrictions are needed for the game to be played properly. And no diplo/dd/fly is pretty far from enough in my opinion. However , everyone decides for himself. If you can find players that share your point of view , then it is ok.
Just do not turn a tournament related topic into a game rules discussion. All participants have agreed upon the rules and as i do not see your name amids them , Blo , you better try not to comment them. These rules discussions have been running forever and will probably never die off , so do not spam the topic with them , please.
Also , i kinda feel you are in some way offended by not being invited to take participation in the tourney.If this is the reason for this sudden misdirected hyperactivity of yours, i am very sorry , but i strongly disagree that you can play as well as any of the other participants, at least not by the moment the tourney began.
No hard feelings , of course 
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liophy
Famous Hero
Bulgarian
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posted January 04, 2008 10:06 AM |
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Blo is good player, but the problem is he is never available. Thats all. And this is very important factor. Sadly it turned out that Dra had problems with time aswell, but before tourney began, he was more regular than Blo.
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black_knight
Known Hero
LT League
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posted January 04, 2008 11:27 AM |
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Question to the the Thread Opener:
If u like, I will delete all posts which do not refer directly to this tournament. Otherwise we keep it as it is, and no more off topic from now on. Open a new thread to the topics "Rules in MP?", "MP or SP, who is stronger?" and similar ones.
We can keep it as it is, but no more off topic from now on - Thx.
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black_knight
Known Hero
LT League
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posted May 17, 2008 02:32 PM |
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As all know, Tournament was finished. Now only discuss about games, mistakes and other...
Enjoy 
P.S. in the first post is the link to download games.
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black_knight
Known Hero
LT League
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posted May 20, 2008 10:57 AM |
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A little review (mistakes/gameplay..) from the game :
Dradra74 vs. _XS!_ (Panic L + SoD)
1.1.2[_XS!_] Ivor 3 lvl. It's good. But... not the best variant. Ivor 5 lvl - much better. Could fight with Ivor not only Wraith's, but dwarf's + take 1k exp.
1.1.3[Dradra74] Too much loss of cent's in fight with orks/vampires/hobgoblins. Much better was add with Arlach all 18 of trogl's. It's possible to save all of elves and loss only few of cent's (~3) + ~10 trolgs. Save the cent's is very important. Becouse when Dradra left's with 14 of GE and 37 of cent's is not so great, like to be with only -3 cent's.
1.1.3[_XS!_] I dont like - take with Ivor basic Water magic. Better wait for Earth/Air. + Ivor could be with 1 GE at the end of the day.
1.1.4[_XS!_] Hm... 9 of piks + 5 of dvarfs. Why not ? Better then loss some cent's. I hope understood me
1.1.5[Dradra74] Risk - the fight with Lots of Diamond Golems ? Yes, maybe not the best move to atack them now. But with these centaur's, he lost, could be not so risk. Balista + dvarfs for defense + good fight and the Diamons Golems fall easy. If no, then was other variant. Unicorn's see day light and chain of Heroes go collect chest's of gold (guarded by Lizards/Marksmans...) (+ Mepha 1.1.4 not going to the dirt zone (only one scout going there (maybe with some dwarfs trying go around to necro)).
1.1.5[_XS!_] Interesting/Nice move with Ivor. Not by the road. But as we see a little movement saved (If next turn Ivor atack hobgoblin's, then we can say, its the same (or first atack hobgoblins, then capture town, or move not by road + capture town and in the next turn with Ivor fight hobgob....). (Anyway was other chanche. Fight pack cerber.. and take +2 atack from arena.. (possible to see how much medusas too, maybe pack + few only)..).
In my opinion - for Dradra much better was to walk around the town in the first week. Much gold, Pegas Dvell (he not explored), Imp Cave + Stables +4 atack art. near, gold chest's + could see how many griffs in cons... This must be in the first week. And in the begin of the second week take (if not too much griffs) conses/or go to other zones. As we saw, he had 1 Angel and trhong of griffs (2 angels) conses. 1.2.1 Mepha from stables go to one angel cons (near the stables), then to the 2 angels cons (ofcourse one hero musted be sacriface bevor this) + make the chain of heroes to the necro town, when Mepha taking second cons (retreat + buy Mepha in Necro).. and the game is still running.. But red player choosed other way of gameplay... 1.3.4 - this is the day, he only comed from his zone... In this map was 2-3 variants of good/great gameplay, sorry, but Dradra choosed unknown style Bad start  bad rezult. Here dont need to speak about 1.2.5 date or 3 wk, becouse these hard mistakes was bevor...
Accept or no this critic - now its your choise
Enjoy.
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maretti
Responsible
Supreme Hero
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posted May 20, 2008 02:57 PM |
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Edited by maretti at 14:59, 20 May 2008.
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Taking water with Ivor at lvl 4 is the right move imo. You want earth and air for main battle and it will be very hard to get if you decline water cause water is likely to be offered again and again. You might even get exp earth earlier by taking water at lvl 4 than if you decline it. Besides that water isnt so bad on balance. If you can get some spellpower the icebolt can be usefull. Besides that exp bless and cure can make the diffrence in main battle (and other battles).
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Crag rules, Orrin and Ivor suck
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black_knight
Known Hero
LT League
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posted May 20, 2008 04:36 PM |
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Anyway i would decline water at 4 lvl and hope for good skill at 5 lvl. If no good skill - then Adv offense. Next lvl Expert Off or maybe New good skill will be... who know's Its hard when you are offering by resistance + expert offense.. Maybe at 6 lvl you will be offering by defense or log (if no take resistence) ... who can know.. maybe you will be offering by wisdom....
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