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Seraphim
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posted December 26, 2007 12:40 PM
Edited by Seraphim at 12:43, 26 Dec 2007.

Poll Question:
ToTE ending?

I finished the ToTE campaign and had a blackout in my mind cuz of it.
It was not good that really and was...well a bit simple and happy ending.

We are not here in a child show or cartoon for children so the"Good" must win over the "Evil".It feels pathetic as they screw the logic of real life.

And what happens in the endshow?Everone becomes a grass-sniffer like the goodly demon agrael-raelag said.

Maybe who has not finished ToTe should not read this cuz of spoils.

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It makes a lot of sense.
It makes you sick
It..........
It was great!!!!
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posted December 26, 2007 01:49 PM

I think your missing the big picture here, the ending is indeed simpel and a bit poor but what is so importen about this ending, is to me, that the story is just getting started.
Freyda is now queen and must rebuild the griffin empire, an empire in ruin with no trust, honor or stability.
The orcs are free from their hatred and in some way gain some friends.
Academy to me always gets better and lose more of that attitude "We rock, you suck" and they got much to do themself.
Dwarves also got a kingdom to rebuild, they were fooled by Biara. Sylvan wasn't in this but they also have a ruined home.
Dungeon is still, if i remember, a united clan and have so many new ways to create their living ways.
Necro, they are up to something big, unknown to us and that we will hopefully see in HoMM6.
The demons, defeated and is totally screwed.

There are so many new beginnings, many poor in a complete story, but the story of Raelag and Aranthir is good and will probaly make the main story of HoMM6. But who knows. I like this ending, it suits the story fine and gives us good new "short stories"
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Elvin
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posted December 26, 2007 02:04 PM

Logically it makes sense if you have been paying attention to what happens since the original. There are excuses why sylvan was left out(HoF single with Findan), why the dwarves had not taken part in the original, how the orcs came to ally with Arantir and the rest amongst other things.
The ending ties up the unfinished business and leaves implications for what is to come. Besides even if the main characters look happy happy you know that their empires are for the most part fragmented and weak. That's as good as it could get, after all if almost all the races of Ashan banded together they could stand a chance against a demon force.

The fact that Arantir played his part and let the others finish his work, Isabel's come of maturity and Biara's death makes it a good ending in my book.
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guarder
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posted December 26, 2007 02:08 PM

Didn't Arantir die in DM? i think it was never showed that he died. he just said:"you have defeated me" and something more and then he teleported away it think
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Elvin
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posted December 26, 2007 02:11 PM

He died, I'm pretty sure of that. Besides he's not the type to run away, he was a man of conviction.
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posted December 26, 2007 04:19 PM

Y'know, I think all the h5 series is a bit childish...
There is no (for exaple) flying heads, guts, etc., etc. even while killing the greatest evil...
Every creature just slips and lies to the ground after it is killed or is abducted by a space ship ( angle and upgs.)
In my opinion these animations don't show the true war look.
It is gentle war and dying look, so all the time we are being treat like 3-year-old kids, which the worst animation they can look at is yelling devil or spattering blood...

You can say that expecting these things from strategic game is childish, but I told you I don't wanna grow up

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Elvin
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What if Elvin was female?
posted December 26, 2007 04:26 PM

You are serious aren't you. The game is about strategy, not gore and killing - your idea is repulsive.
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Daystar
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posted December 26, 2007 05:20 PM

I'm agreeing with Elvin, and not just 'cause he is a moderator.  

I agree there could be more to the ending, but its not bad.  I just wouldn't mind some cliffhanger somewhere.

like after they all laugh there could be a thing where the camera zooms out, and we seem to be watching them through the eyes of a bird.  The view keeps going, and the camera spins around to show us a Harpy winging over head, then wheeling back to head west or something like that.
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Cepheus
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posted December 26, 2007 05:37 PM

Though it is relatively anticlimactic.  The story's sure improved in TotE since the original Heroes V, which is why I would have expected something more.  Something like this feels like a step backwards.  There's too many questions which shouldn't have been left unanswered, questions which are so simple to answer and really should have been revealed somewhere, such as:

Where is Raelag?  How did he come to serve Kha-Beleth?  What about Hangvul?  How did Zehir survive that incident with Markal's ghost in the HoF mission?  Can we get a proper explanation for that banter with Isabel's spirit?  Will those passing references to old heroes ever resurface or is Ashan really a new universe / world?  What happened to Arantir in the 17-20 year gap between TotE and DM?  What's the name of the continent we've been playing on (please, don't let it be just "Ashan", that's like the continent of "Earth")?  Is Sheogh a prison, a kingdom, or another world (I see no real clarity)?  What became of Orlando?  How many Demon Sovereigns are there (looking at the In Search of Power HoF mission)?  And why so many obscure and distasteful references to that Silent Storm game?

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Elvin
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posted December 26, 2007 06:08 PM

I know Daystar

@Cepheus
We are told where Raelag left to and since he does not affect the storyline there is no real need to reveal anything.
About Kha Beleth there is that tote single scenario where he had already been in his command and becomes his right hand. Since we know that the Soulscar clan had allied with the demons it does not seem too important.
Zehir won the battle and returned home
Ubi has confirmed their plans for no ties to the old world and you know that, I doubt they'd change their mind.
About Arantir we don't know when the next game will be set, maybe we'll get something then.
i have actually wondered about the name of the planet, it gives me the idea that Ashan is a continent like Eurasia.
The demons are sealed in the core of Ashan literally, you probably remember that Raelag was underground and passed through it in the dark elf campaign. Though it's been a while and I may be mistaken.
I think it's safe to assume that Arantir had his head on a pike, d'uh!
About the number of Sovereigns I'd think one at a time. Have not finished the scenario to know what happens at the end.

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Cepheus
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posted December 26, 2007 06:22 PM
Edited by Cepheus at 18:23, 26 Dec 2007.

Excuse the extreme quoting.

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We are told where Raelag left to and since he does not affect the storyline there is no real need to reveal anything.


"Hmmm. Very well. I doubt there'll be Demon cultists among the Orcs, so I'll start with the Free Cities."  Where and what are the Free Cities...?  And apparently he does affect the storyline.  The developers told us that "while he would not appear in TotE, we would feel his presence" throughout.

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About Kha Beleth there is that tote single scenario where he had already been in his command and becomes his right hand. Since we know that the Soulscar clan had allied with the demons it does not seem too important.


I think it's fairly important since it'd be nice to know the real implications of his betrayal.  We know he was a cultist and that he became the Sovereign's right-hand man, but was easily willing to give it all up and join his master's enemy.  How stupid could the Sovereign have been?  And knowing how he came to serve would probably clear up a lot of loose ends in the campaign.

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Zehir won the battle and returned home


According to who or what?  We are not given a date for the scenario and even then it would be a stretch to imagine he'd never mention the encounter to anyone.

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Ubi has confirmed their plans for no ties to the old world and you know that, I doubt they'd change their mind.


Exactly, which is why it's strange to mention old heroes and go back on what has been said.

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About Arantir we don't know when the next game will be set, maybe we'll get something then.


Hopefully.

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i have actually wondered about the name of the planet, it gives me the idea that Ashan is a continent like Eurasia.


I thought the planet was called Ashan, at least judging by the beta map they produced and a few dialogs I could probably dig up.

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The demons are sealed in the core of Ashan literally, you probably remember that Raelag was underground and passed through it in the dark elf campaign. Though it's been a while and I may be mistaken.


I recall that it was once called "the jailworld", and if those tunnels could have led Raelag to the core, it must be one pretty small planet.

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I think it's safe to assume that Arantir had his head on a pike, d'uh!


Whose?  Orlando's?  I didn't see anything to specifically indicate that Orlando was killed.

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About the number of Sovereigns I'd think one at a time. Have not finished the scenario to know what happens at the end.


I mean how many have there been altogether.  The opening description (which I can't dig up just now) mentions something about Veyer going off to basically make a new Demon Sovereign.  I have no idea about when the mission takes place but we see the Sovereign during the time of the Falcon Empire, so either this mission happens before even that, or every Sovereign is a clone...
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guarder
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posted December 26, 2007 06:36 PM
Edited by guarder at 18:37, 26 Dec 2007.

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Zehir won the battle and returned home


According to who or what?  We are not given a date for the scenario and even then it would be a stretch to imagine he'd never mention the encounter to anyone.

Did you want to talk about some mistakes you have done? It's even worse if you're the first of the circle in the most "intelligente" humans in that world

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The demons are sealed in the core of Ashan literally, you probably remember that Raelag was underground and passed through it in the dark elf campaign. Though it's been a while and I may be mistaken.


I recall that it was once called "the jailworld", and if those tunnels could have led Raelag to the core, it must be one pretty small planet.


I always thought it was a part of Ashan, but it is not in the newest version of the map.

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I think it's safe to assume that Arantir had his head on a pike, d'uh!


Whose?  Orlando's?  I didn't see anything to specifically indicate that Orlando was killed.


He was a demon. Helped sovereign. Arantir hates demons and sovereign. Also Arantir killed him becouse he idn't like demons
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Elvin
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posted December 26, 2007 06:37 PM

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Where and what are the Free Cities...?  And apparently he does affect the storyline.  The developers told us that "while he would not appear in TotE, we would feel his presence" throughout.

Note the TotE storyline apparently They probably changed their minds.

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We know he was a cultist and that he became the Sovereign's right-hand man, but was easily willing to give it all up and join his master's enemy.  How stupid could the Sovereign have been?  And knowing how he came to serve would probably clear up a lot of loose ends in the campaign.

I still don't see what more could have accomplished that actually matters. I'll let that pass.

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Whose?  Orlando's?  I didn't see anything to specifically indicate that Orlando was killed.

Wasn't he the guy he had been chasing all along? That he first defeated in human form, then his demon form with an insane ballista? Anyway things are simple: Arantir likes to kill demons And that one was the reason Ornella had to be sacrifised so..
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Cepheus
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posted December 26, 2007 07:03 PM
Edited by Cepheus at 19:13, 26 Dec 2007.

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Did you want to talk about some mistakes you have done? It's even worse if you're the first of the circle in the most "intelligente" humans in that world


It's not about whether or not he wants to talk about it, it's about whether or not it canonically happened.  Speculation is all well and good but it's better to have things confirmed, and if Zehir had mentioned the battle then it would have had some proper significance.  Just like they tied in Giovanni and Ornella's scenario with the main campaign.

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He was a demon. Helped sovereign. Arantir hates demons and sovereign. Also Arantir killed him becouse he idn't like demons


Where's the proof that Orlando was killed?  I still haven't seen anything to specifically indicate that Orlando was killed.

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Note the TotE storyline apparently  They probably changed their minds.


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I still don't see what more could have accomplished that actually matters. I'll let that pass.


Knowledge of a character's background is supposed to make them more interesting.  I dunno if you remember, but back when Heroes III: Armageddon's Blade was released the developers added material on each main character's history to help flesh out the story.  Now it's about eight years later, and all we have on AgRaelag is that he was a Dark Elf who somehow proved his loyalty to the Sovereign and then threw it all away on Isabel.  That's not really a great improvement.

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Wasn't he the guy he had been chasing all along? That he first defeated in human form, then his demon form with an insane ballista? Anyway things are simple: Arantir likes to kill demons  And that one was the reason Ornella had to be sacrifised so..


Sure but it still doesn't confirm anything.  Almost none of those questions I asked were truly answered in the game, that's my point.

Anyway back to the topic at hand.  Well, as Marge Simpson once said:

"It's an ending, that's enough"

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posted December 26, 2007 08:25 PM

I think the Demon Soverign was one of the 6 Demon Gods.  My guess is he rose to power above the others.  

For reference, Urgash created the Demon Gods after Asha created the Dragon Gods, and they were twisted parallels or something.  
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posted December 26, 2007 11:10 PM

I have one more question.Who was Beatrice?Agrael said that she raised Isabel from birth.And if Isabel cared so much for her Why didn't she say just before killing Biara something like:And this is for Beatrice,since she remembered Nicolai and The Griffin Empire?
And this is another strange thing.Didn't Markal turn Freyda into a spectre in the necro campaign back in H5?He says he will turn her into a wraith but turns her into a spectre and if all my slots are full she doesnt appear and when I headed back to my necro town no angels appeared to stop me,but when I had 1 or more empty slots one single spectre apeeared and during my journey home I was ambushed by angels who are in the scenario plot line...

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posted December 27, 2007 12:59 AM

Here's how it works.  Freyda was forced to become a Wraith, but the innocence and pureness of her heart made her invulnerable to full transformation, and the presence of the Angels helped weaken Markal's hold on her.  After Markal died the spell was ended, and she became the Willow Clone we know and love.

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posted December 27, 2007 01:03 AM

you got it all wrong he said this: maybe i shall bring is daughter as well after i kill her and resurect her as a wight, or pheraps not it takes time to do these things proberly.
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posted December 27, 2007 01:07 AM

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Here's how it works.  Freyda was forced to become a Wraith, but the innocence and pureness of her heart made her invulnerable to full transformation, and the presence of the Angels helped weaken Markal's hold on her.  After Markal died the spell was ended, and she became the Willow Clone we know and love.

This BS has been brought to you by Boredom.


Well done,thanks.

I actually think it is ok with the happy ending because if it would not be a happy ending,well it would follow the same destiny as from Homm 4 and Homm3 I think.Also why killing everything if the game needs to live,develop and function.
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posted December 27, 2007 01:19 AM

The ending does make sense in a way. It does make sense in the terms that this game was probably specifically aimed to get the 13+ rating. The game wasnt only made for blood-wanting maniacs and it wasnt made in a way that would be too complicated and  boring for us younger people either.
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