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Cepheus
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posted January 24, 2008 05:32 PM

Thanks Vokial for renaming the thread... though why you would expend such effort to merely add the word "based" is beyond me

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Can I ask - why is there a loose icon file in the rar, just so people can see what's in the pak?


Nope, merely another blooper from me.  I've uploaded yet another version, 1.5, with rebalanced abilities and no stray icon.  Basilisks lose Agility, and Greater Basilisks now have Torpor instead of Death Stare.  Everyone happy with this, or will I make further changes?

http://www.speedyshare.com/246812254.html
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posted January 24, 2008 05:54 PM
Edited by Cepheus at 18:10, 24 Jan 2008.

For answers, I request you take a look at the previous page in this very thread, mainly Nelgrith's post.

You must be one easily amused guy

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posted January 24, 2008 11:05 PM
Edited by full_dawa at 23:06, 24 Jan 2008.

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posted February 26, 2008 05:04 AM

I don't want to make the forumers make the same mistake as the creators of HoMM3. =[

Basilisks don't have stone gaze. Actually, these mythological creatures kill living things with their lethal breath and gaze. But they can't petrify or turn anyone to stone.

Here's a definition from www.dictionary.com
-Classical Mythology. a creature, variously described as a serpent, lizard, or dragon, said to kill by its breath or look.

From Wikipedia.
-In European bestiaries and legends, a basilisk (from the Greek βασιλίσκος basiliskos, a little king, in Latin Regulus) is a legendary reptile reputed to be king of serpents and said to have the power of causing death by a single glance.

From Merriam-Webster Dictionary
-A legendary reptile with fatal breath and glance.


The mythological creature that has the stone gaze is the gorgon--the basilisk's and gorgon's skills were interchanged in HoMM3. The game wasn't that accurate either since the Dungeon's 4th tier creature was Medusa, when actually Medusa is a gorgon. It doesn't make sense why Medusa is an anthromorphic creature while the gorgon is similar to a bull.

I'm just stating the truth.
Oh, also, a cockatrice is similar to a basilisk, but it has wings.

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Lesij
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posted February 26, 2008 08:51 AM

Would it be possible to give Salamander mark of the flame???
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posted February 26, 2008 04:19 PM

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The mythological creature that has the stone gaze is the gorgon--the basilisk's and gorgon's skills were interchanged in HoMM3. The game wasn't that accurate either since the Dungeon's 4th tier creature was Medusa, when actually Medusa is a gorgon. It doesn't make sense why Medusa is an anthromorphic creature while the gorgon is similar to a bull.

I'm just stating the truth.


There is no such thing as making a mistake when creating a fantasy creature.  Drawing inspiration from the accepted mythological version is fine but we are allowed to be creative.  Have a look at Warcraft III and its views on Trolls, Minotaurs and whatnot, they broke away from the norm and still delivered a good product.

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Would it be possible to give Salamander mark of the flame???


Yes.

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Lesij
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posted February 26, 2008 05:56 PM

So I think it would fit the Salamander just greatly...
Also firebreathe and searing aura would be reallly nice XD


About those creatures: being creative is something very nice and greatly matches the games as heroes...
But when you are creative- think about your own names... Making Gorgon a Bulll and Medusa antropomoric is like making Cyclops three-eyed for example and having a body of a lion -_-
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posted February 26, 2008 05:59 PM

What's wrong with an anthropomorphic Medusa?

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Lesij
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posted February 26, 2008 06:11 PM

It isn't wrong...
The gorgona unit is.
I have read that all gorgons were sisters and they looked the same O_O
Now, there are lots of similarities in bulls and medusas case O_O
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posted February 26, 2008 08:08 PM

Then I guess you'll really be pi**ed when I let you know that the Demons in HoMM are in fact aliens who look like Devils, having crashed on the planet in a spaceship disguised as a meteorite.

And that the Angels are possibly cyborgs shaped in the image of winged beings with flaming swords.

And that the Lizardmen were created by sentient Serpents on an island off the coast of a continent far, far away.

Welcome to the dark side of the truth, my good man

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posted February 26, 2008 11:11 PM
Edited by MrDragon at 23:14, 26 Feb 2008.

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Basilisks don't have stone gaze. Actually, these mythological creatures kill living things with their lethal breath and gaze. But they can't petrify or turn anyone to stone.

Here's a definition from www.dictionary.com
-Classical Mythology. a creature, variously described as a serpent, lizard, or dragon, said to kill by its breath or look.

From Wikipedia.
-In European bestiaries and legends, a basilisk (from the Greek βασιλίσκος basiliskos, a little king, in Latin Regulus) is a legendary reptile reputed to be king of serpents and said to have the power of causing death by a single glance.

From Merriam-Webster Dictionary
-A legendary reptile with fatal breath and glance.



All the sources you quote state it does have a gaze attack.
But yeah, the Gorgon being a bull was just ripped from the DnD monster Manual where for some reason they had Medusa and Gorgon as separate species.
How on earth the Bull Gorgon was conceived: NO IDEA.

Also originaly the Medusae had wings and large claws.

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posted February 26, 2008 11:35 PM

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There is no such thing as making a mistake when creating a fantasy creature.  Drawing inspiration from the accepted mythological version is fine but we are allowed to be creative.  Have a look at Warcraft III and its views on Trolls, Minotaurs and whatnot, they broke away from the norm and still delivered a good product.




Yes, you can have an almost limitless imagination when creating fantasy creatures. However, I stay to the fact there is the "almost" limitless.

Basilisks have death breath and glance.
Gorgons have stone gaze.
These facts are written on stone and thus make the limit of imagination, especially in HoMM3.
That game is somehow very mythologically based, so there is a mistake to the fantasy creatures, because those creatures have already given certain attributes by myth. It is not creativity anymore but a mistake in research.

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All the sources you quote state it does have a gaze attack.


A gaze attack, yes. A gaze and breath that can kill a person. But can't turn anyone to stone. If it was a stone gaze, the dictionary would say "a petrifying breath and glance", instead, it uses "fatal breath and glance".

Big difference I say.

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posted February 27, 2008 12:01 AM

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Basilisks have death breath and glance.
Gorgons have stone gaze.
These facts are written on stone and thus make the limit of imagination, especially in HoMM3.


Sorry but I don't get why you think facts on mythological creatures can be set in stone and must be conformed to, full stop.  There is no law preventing people from giving Basilisks a Stone Gaze instead of a death glance.

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That game is somehow very mythologically based, so there is a mistake to the fantasy creatures, because those creatures have already given certain attributes by myth. It is not creativity anymore but a mistake in research.


Gremlins?

Dwarves and Elves?

Nagas living in snowy tundras?

Kreegans as Demons?

Scorpicore?

Sorry, to be honest I'm really being a little rude here and I appreciate and respect your input even though I don't really agree with it.

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Lesij
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posted February 27, 2008 07:38 AM
Edited by Lesij at 07:45, 27 Feb 2008.

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Then I guess you'll really be pi**ed when I let you know that the Demons in HoMM are in fact aliens who look like Devils, having crashed on the planet in a spaceship disguised as a meteorite.

And that the Angels are possibly cyborgs shaped in the image of winged beings with flaming swords.

And that the Lizardmen were created by sentient Serpents on an island off the coast of a continent far, far away.

Welcome to the dark side of the truth, my good man


Errr...
No, I'm not pissed of...
Archangel Michael had flaming sword
Demons- they look as they should half men-half cows/rams/goats
About Lizardmen- there was written that Velociraptors inhabit deep caves with dragons and hydras O_O

We cannot be really fair with mythology when we can have about 100 hydras in the army. The Hydra was only one...
But, let's just try to be fair with it

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What's more- original basilisk should also get Tropor IMHO...
Gremlins, etc., etc. are VARIATIONS about the mythological creatures.
Yes they did give the extream height to some dwarves, but as you know, a lot of people were very angry on that profanation...
Gorgon is another profanataion...
And now you, sayin' that mythological basilisk's abilities are changeable- make another profanation XD
Taking Nagas to the snow wasn't anything really bad, but calling Gorgon, something what IS just NOT a Gorgon was...

If you want- invent your own mythology and your own creatures BUT remeber that some names are RESERVED by the ancients...
So don't use them if you want to make your own creatures...  

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Cepheus
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posted February 27, 2008 12:54 PM
Edited by Cepheus at 17:59, 27 Feb 2008.

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What's more- original basilisk should also get Tropor IMHO...
Gremlins, etc., etc. are VARIATIONS about the mythological creatures.
Yes they did give the extream height to some dwarves, but as you know, a lot of people were very angry on that profanation...
Gorgon is another profanataion...
And now you, sayin' that mythological basilisk's abilities are changeable- make another profanation XD


"Profanation?"  So some extreme changes are alright but only when they accord with one person's whim?  This logic is incredulous.

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Taking Nagas to the snow wasn't anything really bad, but calling Gorgon, something what IS just NOT a Gorgon was...


If anyone had complained to Tolkien about what he did with the "mythological" Elves we wouldn't have a Sylvan faction...

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If you want- invent your own mythology and your own creatures BUT remeber that some names are RESERVED by the ancients...
So don't use them if you want to make your own creatures...


Try and stop me!

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posted September 02, 2008 01:40 PM

Hum... Very nice creatures, but How can I download the upgrades ?
I download the file linked at the bottom of your first post, but it remains always the basilisk only ;(

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posted September 02, 2008 04:53 PM

I would like to say that the Norse Elves and Tolkiens elves are similar. There where Dark and Light Elves in norse mythology.
He just put the Light Elves in a forest (and they probably already lived in forests, atleast thats what folklore suggests).
Tolkien ripped off mythology, he couldnt came up with anything himself (except orcs & hobbits) O.o


Also H3 did a terrible mistake with the Gorgon thing, I totally agree.

How can you make a Gorgon into a bull etc... it makes no sense and is a total shame and failure.
Also the stone gaze for Basilisks has been used in lots of books and games, I dont think Rowling played HoMM3
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posted September 04, 2008 06:31 PM
Edited by Cepheus at 18:32, 04 Sep 2008.

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Hum... Very nice creatures, but How can I download the upgrades ?
I download the file linked at the bottom of your first post, but it remains always the basilisk only ;(


Sorry about that.  I uploaded the wrong version after the link expired  It is back to normal now, with all three Basilisks accounted for.

Gadi or Vokial, could you filespace the mod to prevent this from ever happening again?  Thanks.
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posted September 04, 2008 06:44 PM

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Gadi or Vokial, could you filespace the mod to prevent this from ever happening again?  Thanks.
It would be nice but not necessary. Try Media Fire

Create an account there and upload your files, and they will NEVER get deleted unless your account gets deleted (after 60 days of inactivity - just like a mail account)

So make sure you log in at least once every 60 days to your Media Fire account and everything will be ok.
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posted September 04, 2008 06:51 PM

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