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zaio-baio
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posted July 27, 2010 07:37 PM |
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Sylvan
"The ultimate is pretty easy to get so if you got it'll be near a breeze. Get tactics, battle frenzy and retribution"
are u kiddnig me ? if u get natures luck + retribution u will lose for sure - it means having no enlightenmet or defence /check skill wheel/
+ without enlight u wont be able to ressurect ur unicorns like mad
+ the path to natures luck is good only on fan made maps:
1. they must be grassy as hell and with no water at all ( on an island map u need navigation jist too much)
2.u cant be sure that u will get haste + righteous, picking refined mana over second light mastery is a madness
3.Aiming only for a strong first hit is a mistake - swift mind + stormwind and empathy will make sure that the knight( or every other hero that can get them) will be able to cast mass endurance before your units attack.
imo the best skills vs a knight in full game are - logistics, enlight, defence, light, leadership
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Elvin
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posted July 28, 2010 10:21 AM |
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Dunno I rather favour luck here, otherwise it's a pretty solid build.
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natalka
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posted July 28, 2010 09:21 PM |
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Luck in the place of what?
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Elvin
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posted July 28, 2010 10:15 PM |
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Leadership.
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natalka
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posted July 29, 2010 07:43 PM |
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That is because u like 3 luck more than 3 morale?
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zaio-baio
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posted July 30, 2010 10:56 AM |
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Academy
...."Vittorio's ballista can trouble you"...
u must be mad if u have vittorio as main hero vs adacemy
1. remote control - 33% chance that the balista will turn against him
2. MASS DEFLECT - dunno why it is so underestimated, but mass deflect is the best counter to ballista - 1 mass spell turns 5 lvls in war machines and 2 lvls in attack compleately useless ( not to mention that in this case the knight must pick archery and flaming arrows over power of speed and retribution and choose only one of tactics or battle frazny)
mass deflect is also one of the major reasons why unferno suck - the demons have a good start only with Deleb(war maschines), but picking her vs any light faction that may have deflect in its castle is just lame
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Elvin
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posted July 30, 2010 01:26 PM |
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It's not all that bad. First, nobody ever picks remote control and with good reason. Secondly deflect while a very real possibility it is not guaranteed nor invulnerable, a simple mass cleansing can take it down. Sure, a pure might build will work better in the long run vs academy but the advantage machines can give you in controlling the map is often overlooked.
As for inferno.. what? I'd jump with joy if the wizard cast mass deflect instead of ANY other mass spell, esp if we are talking dark.
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zaio-baio
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posted July 30, 2010 05:57 PM |
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well im probably getting it wrong ,but
1.Demonlord with mass cleancing ? ( its 33% chance even for the "light" factions)
2.i think that ur joy wont last long, have in mind that we are talking about full games, where logistics are important and the 2% chance of the demonlord to get leadership is crucial - lets sum up the skills that the DL will have and then estimate his might
1.Logistics - nothing to do with might
2.Dark magic - again
3.War mashines - again
4.Defence
5.Attack - battle frenzy - good, excrutiating strike - not bad, but weak compared to mass haste, and flaming arrows - all in all 15 % att dmg increase + 1dmg to all units at the cost of power of speed
+ if the opponent has dark + 5-6 spell power his mass curses will be eternal
So where is the epic might of that build ?
P.S. yes u may skip the flaming arrows and pick different att perks, but u will lose too much of ur ballista's potential
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Elvin
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posted July 30, 2010 08:55 PM |
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1. Was referring to Vittorio.
2. Machines are not taken for the final battle, they are for creeping. Why invest in flaming when ballista could possibly die in one shot before it even acts? That's hit or miss and I'd rather play with safer chances.
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zaio-baio
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posted July 31, 2010 11:19 AM |
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if u get them for creeping u will have them in the final battle too 
and with war mashines but without flaming arrows i just cant see how ur inferno will defeat a strong lategame faction ...
however if u have a replay that proves ur point - share it, it may change my whole adjustment towards such build
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Elvin
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posted July 31, 2010 11:53 AM |
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Replays are half-liars, you see just one of the hundreds of thousands of possibilities and render yourself blind to the rest 
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Arcax
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posted July 31, 2010 11:55 AM |
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Inferno is pretty strong in lategame lol. Attack,Defense,Enlight,Dark and Luck/Leadership would make wonders. Warmachines are most powerful with Lords due to naturally high attack and knowledge but as Elvin mentioned - too fragile to survive one shot of shooters x 6 weeks.
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zaio-baio
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posted July 31, 2010 12:41 PM |
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lol we are talking about
1. full games
2. war mashines
+ Attack,Defense,Enlight,Dark and Luck/Leadership - what i see here are 2x2% skills and no logistics....
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Arcax
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posted July 31, 2010 09:37 PM |
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lol
1.its not a perfect build just an advice on which skills are helpful
2.I mentioned machines - they should be off in any +5 weeks maps
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