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Heroes Community > Library of Enlightenment > Thread: Worst upgrade in Heroes III
Thread: Worst upgrade in Heroes III This thread is 7 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 · «PREV / NEXT»
Anil
Anil


Known Hero
posted July 02, 2016 05:22 PM

I think Trog's Blind immunity is more useful than abilities of Pit Lord/Wraith.
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EnergyZ
EnergyZ


Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
posted July 02, 2016 05:33 PM

Come now. Wraith can steal a lot of spell points, if the battle is long enough.

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Baronus
Baronus


Promising
Supreme Hero
posted July 02, 2016 05:49 PM
Edited by Baronus at 17:57, 02 Jul 2016.

Wraith absolutly worst. Only speed and mana.
http://heroes.thelazy.net/wiki/Wight_and_wraith
Magogs upgr is crazy too:
http://heroes.thelazy.net/wiki/Gog_and_Magog

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frostymuaddib
frostymuaddib


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育碧是白痴
posted July 02, 2016 06:26 PM

Wraiths are good for mana bombs, so that is not that bad, imo. As for Pit Lords, do I really need to mention Demon farming again?

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Baronus
Baronus


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Supreme Hero
posted July 02, 2016 07:46 PM

Maybe players dont used lords? How it works with mana? If 2 points for round? Its not a lot.

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Anil
Anil


Known Hero
posted July 02, 2016 07:51 PM

To steal 2 mana per round isn t enoght. Because they are very weak just 18 hp.

Does anybody prove to me? How demon farming ability is worth to 200 gold? You are paying waste 200 more gold.

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frostymuaddib
frostymuaddib


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Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
posted July 02, 2016 07:57 PM

Baronus said:
Maybe players dont used lords? How it works with mana? If 2 points for round? Its not a lot.


Well, attack with some non-main hero with 7 wraith stacks of 1 unit and you drain some mana. Attack few times in a row, and you steal a lot mana Of course, it depends on enemy units' speed but I'm just saying that the upgraid is not that bad. It is not the best, either.

As for demon farming, it is explained here

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Salamandre
Salamandre


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Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
posted July 02, 2016 08:14 PM
Edited by Salamandre at 20:15, 02 Jul 2016.

To everyone thinking that this or other strategy is worthless, I suggest you read carefully a detailed walkthrough where almost all tactics are used, some new even discovered and explained, for the reader joy.

I give you that not all tactics are commonly used, nonetheless the creativity some mapmakers and players put into making each of those tactics shine is worth the read.

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Baronus
Baronus


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posted July 02, 2016 09:56 PM

Producing 1.5 by lord per BATTLE! No per week. One cost 250. Upgrading 200... It is to big cost? If you have 10 from one lord in few batyles! Plus 1 to movement.
7 wraith in army it is not a realistc. 2 maximum (in zombie place). But better two groups of vampires.
Regenerating only one for 18 point unit is a big joke. This unit is mistake. I suggest modding in this way 38 points for upgraded.

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forgottenpw
forgottenpw


Hired Hero
posted July 03, 2016 03:55 AM

Basicly any upgrade that wastes a turn(for building) for nothing serious, like gnolls, lich kings, zombies (lol), to some point wights (but a manabomb can be useful).
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LizardWarrior
LizardWarrior


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Legendary Hero
posted July 03, 2016 09:07 AM
Edited by LizardWarrior at 09:07, 03 Jul 2016.

forgottenpw said:
lich kings


I think you may want to say Power Liches, anyway I disagree, that's a good upgrade, extra 10hp, 1 speed, double shoots, and a minor damage boost for only 50g extra gold.
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forgottenpw
forgottenpw


Hired Hero
posted July 03, 2016 09:48 AM

well, it is OK, but i just wouldn't build the upgraded lich temple before i got upped knights. So most of the time i just forgo this upgrade because the game is ending.
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Baronus
Baronus


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Supreme Hero
posted July 03, 2016 11:53 AM

Zombie upgrade:
http://heroes.thelazy.net/wiki/Walking_Dead_and_Zombie
+33% health +33% speed + disease cost 25% more gold is good and cheap but all this unit is too weak.

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forgottenpw
forgottenpw


Hired Hero
posted July 03, 2016 01:02 PM

the problem is, walking dead just get transformed
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Heroes_player
Heroes_player


Known Hero
posted July 03, 2016 04:36 PM

A lot of people says that Cyclop Kings or Magogs are worst upgrade. In my humble opinion they both are great, +2 speed for Cyclops and Gogs is useful so any upgrade that grants more speed is worth it. And in case of Magogs fireball, just avoid hitting own units. The fireball is more advantage than disadvantage I think.

It is hard to decide worst upgrades because I prefer every units to be upgraded. But if I have to decide then I would say that worst upgrades for units are the units that are still considered ss useless that I never recruit them anyway (Zombies... Etc)

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phoenix4ever
phoenix4ever


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Heroes is love, Heroes is life
posted July 03, 2016 04:49 PM

Worst upgrade has got to be the zombies, they are pretty durable, but too damn slow and does little damage, disease is also a joke.

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OhforfSake
OhforfSake


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Legendary Hero
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posted July 03, 2016 05:01 PM

The way the game is played Zombie's and any sufficient slow unit that doesn't deliver huge damage is considered useless. Perhaps when playing differently, with larger focus on scout wars, the power stat and unit hp becomes more important. I could imagine sacrificing speed on your scout for hp and then be able to defeat other scouts in a spell war thanks to the extra hp. In such a game gold could become very important as well, making capitol a better strategy than the entirely useless one it is now, but it would require for no zone guards and no bottlenecks, in stead an all out war where you have to use several heroes to maintain territory, not only creeping against the map, but at all times have to be prepared for enemy scouts hit&running you.

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Baronus
Baronus


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Supreme Hero
posted July 03, 2016 07:40 PM
Edited by Baronus at 19:42, 03 Jul 2016.

We dont told about worst unit but about WORST UPGRADE! Upgrade zombies:
+33% health +33% speed + disease cost only 25% more gold:
UPGRADE! is good!  but UNIT WEAK!
If upgrade is worst it means you dont upg. unit because better is based unit. Realy better is using zombie? with 15 health and 3 speed non disease? I dont see this unit without upgrade. Opposite this eg. gogs many people dont upgraded to not hit own units. So better is based in their opinion.

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Anil
Anil


Known Hero
posted July 04, 2016 01:11 AM

Zombies are pretty useful if you have teleport.Also luckily you dont need learn watet magic school. These are very cheap and durable excellent anti shooter units with teleport.

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forgottenpw
forgottenpw


Hired Hero
posted July 04, 2016 04:10 AM

i rather have one giant stack of skeletons that i teleport then 1 lower stack skels + some zombies, because you can only cast once per round

so while the upgrade in itself makes the unit ok for the price, the building to get zombies will never be build
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