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Jinxer
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posted May 14, 2008 01:57 AM |
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More Sylvan SillyNess!!
Just had a game vs. Ancient Treants.... They are already like a mini Level 7 creature as it is... now imagine them with 105 DEFENSE!!! AND UNLIMITED RETALIATION!!! AND REGENERATION!!!! Now exactly how do you kill them?
8 Magma Dragons couldnt do enough damage to kill even 1!!
I swear UBI programmers were all Drunk off there B.u.t.t.s.... when they made this game.
That is just one of the many many silly things about Sylvan...but by far the silliest just thought I would share my opinions on just how stupid silly it is. 
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The_Gootch
Honorable
Supreme Hero
Kneel Before Me Sons of HC!!
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posted May 14, 2008 03:21 AM |
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Now exactly how do you kill them?
Um, cleanse or purge the regen and smack'em with your hero? Or is that a rhetorical question?
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted May 14, 2008 03:42 AM |
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ofcourse I would cleanse the regen.. but if I am using my heroes turn to cleanse then how can I smack him with my hero? Caue then when his heroes turn comes he just recast regen...  But I am sure you already knew that...
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The_Gootch
Honorable
Supreme Hero
Kneel Before Me Sons of HC!!
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posted May 14, 2008 04:08 AM |
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Bad idea on the cleanse. Uh, Rune of Magic Control?
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Strawdozz
Hired Hero
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posted May 14, 2008 05:41 AM |
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Bad idea on the cleanse. Uh, Rune of Magic Control?
You just kill them. How many treants is that anyways?
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted May 14, 2008 06:32 AM |
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Started with 47 and was hitting them with everyting that I had... and 500 Mountain Guards 100 Bear Riders... 8 magma Dragons were all around them hitting theem and 260 Speir Wielders were shooting at them... and after all of them hit.. I killed 2 per round if I was lucky. But keep in mind that they retaliated on each and ever stack every time.
Just amazes me that there would be a special perk created for a creature that is already hard enough to kill... Its kinda like making an Intiative Specialist hero for a town that is already KIng dominate in best initiative creatures lol... And lets also give the same town ability to rez 2 stacks at once.. or attack 2-3 stacks at once... I could go on and on
I am amazed that I havent experienced this treant tactic before now.. It is quite impressive. Stupid silly tho.
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted May 14, 2008 06:54 AM |
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As Sylvan i glad to hear imba dwarfs screaming after tacked a beating from treants But wait, from treants ??? On Hour Glass people even not build treants ... Jinxer you should play Hour Glass
Replay please, i believe only my eyes
"I swear UBI programmers were all Drunk off there B.u.t.t.s.... when they made this game."
Game it's not ideal, like all thinks in this world ... But it's nice, my favorite for long time ... And team that make this game deserve a little respect from us, not only blaming ...
I watched many WC3 replays and read comments ... If night elf's win in replay, people start screaming imba elf's, if in other replay orcs win to night elf's, people screaming imba orc's ! It's normal process
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Strawdozz
Hired Hero
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posted May 14, 2008 06:58 AM |
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Well, just imagine that you keep hitting an angry tree with some stupid sword.
But, man, if they had infinite retaliation, then its silly to attack them with all ur troops. Best to avoid and kill the rest of the army and have ur hero deal with it. Though, it will take a while for sure.. I guess, you did not have a lot of magic.
Of course, nothing is easier than to give advice like that but since we will never play, thats what you get.
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Kispagat
Famous Hero
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posted May 14, 2008 02:20 PM |
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Please tell me the trick, how can an ancient treant get unlimited retaliation?
I hope I dont ask too trivial thing....
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted May 14, 2008 02:29 PM |
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Edited by Jinxer at 14:32, 14 May 2008.
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No worries Kispagat.. I didnt know it either. But apparently a new change that was made in TOTE... that when Ancient Treants " TAKE ROOTS" they then gain unlimited retalitation. Also with Take roots they gain 50% to there defense... AND if you have stand your ground perk they gain another 50% to defense... so essentially DOUBLING DEFENSE!!! With this, treants could take ANY BATTLE on ANY MAP. Just take roots and cast regen... and watch Hero take out what ever, while the enemy feebly beats on a tree that bearly takes any damage. Bearly scratching the bark!
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Warmonger
Promising
Legendary Hero
fallen artist
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posted May 14, 2008 02:30 PM |
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If I may suggest... take roots? 
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105 DEFENSE!!! AND UNLIMITED RETALIATION!!! AND REGENERATION!!!!
And no movement?   It makes really hard opponent.
I'm afraid in this case the Dwarves are silly as they have no way to deal with such unusual threat. Necromancer would just cast Puppet Master and use Harm Touch, even Knight could just walk closer with the Sharpshooters and reduce the defense by 105
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Kispagat
Famous Hero
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posted May 14, 2008 03:02 PM |
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No worries Kispagat.. I didnt know it either. But apparently a new change that was made in TOTE... that when Ancient Treants " TAKE ROOTS" they then gain unlimited retalitation. Also with Take roots they gain 50% to there defense... AND if you have stand your ground perk they gain another 50% to defense... so essentially DOUBLING DEFENSE!!! With this, treants could take ANY BATTLE on ANY MAP. Just take roots and cast regen... and watch Hero take out what ever, while the enemy feebly beats on a tree that bearly takes any damage. Bearly scratching the bark!
I have found this:
http://www.heroesofmightandmagic.com/heroes5/toe_creature_abilities.shtml#ABILITY_TAKE_ROOTS
Take Roots: When the creature receives the Wait\Defend command, it gets 50% bonus to Defense plus ability to retaliate after all enemy attacks until the next turn.
If the hero has the Stand Your Ground ability, the Take Roots bonus is doubled to a +100% Defense increase. Ancient Treant
So you mean "plus ability to retaliate after all enemy attacks until the next turn." means unlimited retaliation?
Hmm, interesting. Never tought abt that.
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insatiable
Supreme Hero
Ultimate N00bidity
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posted May 14, 2008 03:09 PM |
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erhmm.. isnt Trees suppose to be one of sylvan main weapon?
under different circumstances, different weapons rule.. no?
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TheDeath
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
with serious business
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posted May 14, 2008 03:14 PM |
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But apparently a new change that was made in TOTE... that when Ancient Treants " TAKE ROOTS" they then gain unlimited retalitation. Also with Take roots they gain 50% to there defense... AND if you have stand your ground perk they gain another 50% to defense... so essentially DOUBLING DEFENSE!!!
I think these things were in the original as well, no change done
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Strawdozz
Hired Hero
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posted May 14, 2008 03:41 PM |
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Yeah, just that people looked down on them treants because they are not exactly blazing speed. I think in the Toh mod we should give them the ability to fly 
I imagine my pure might hero going against these treants and a summoner.
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zamrai
Adventuring Hero
Moonlight Melody
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posted May 14, 2008 09:14 PM |
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Edited by zamrai at 21:17, 14 May 2008.
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isnt Trees suppose to be one of sylvan main weapon?
I see it this way:
Sylvan is a very swift army so to make a proper use of it- attack, tactic and damage boosters (luck, light magic, attack skills) are needed. When Sylvan is pushed to defense closed within walls of its town, all of this swiftness and tactics loses a lot of its meaning.
Treants are ultra defensive to balance this issue for Sylvan, they are also the only defensive unit Sylvan has. So going for defence skills has big importance only for treants. Usually you do not take Treants everywhere with a hero, just u let them stay in town. And this is what they are for.
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Strider_HL
Famous Hero
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posted May 15, 2008 08:49 AM |
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But apparently a new change that was made in TOTE... that when Ancient Treants " TAKE ROOTS" they then gain unlimited retalitation. Also with Take roots they gain 50% to there defense... AND if you have stand your ground perk they gain another 50% to defense... so essentially DOUBLING DEFENSE!!!
I think these things were in the original as well, no change done
Correct, this ability has been there since beggining. Cute, isn't it?
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted May 15, 2008 05:02 PM |
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Edited by Jinxer at 17:09, 15 May 2008.
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Regardless if it was here since the beginning of time... thats not the point. This ranks up as high as the Arcane Force Arrow Sillyness... and imagine that... both of the mega sillynesses are from same town. Sylvan is the Supreme Dominate Town! Hands Down!
So lets summerize......
~~Arcane Force Arrow - Silly
~~Treants Mini level 7 critter with 105 defense and unlimited retalitate - Silly
~Imbue / RainArrows attacking 3 stacks with spells per 1 turn - Silly
~Rezing 2 Stacks at a time just like MOTW - Silly
~Best TOP initiative of all towns.
~Channeling effect doubling spell power! - Silly
----> Sylvan = Silly!!
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phoenixreborn
Promising
Legendary Hero
Unicorn
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posted May 15, 2008 05:37 PM |
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Correct, this ability has been there since beggining. Cute, isn't it?
The part that's new is the spell regeneration.
But Jinxer makes it sound like Sylvan can't lose.
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Kispagat
Famous Hero
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posted May 15, 2008 06:04 PM |
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Correct, this ability has been there since beggining. Cute, isn't it?
The part that's new is the spell regeneration.
But Jinxer makes it sound like Sylvan can't lose.
I said before in toh mod thread that for some mysterious reasons sylvan developed much more than the other factions in tote.
In general I am convinced that sylvan is the strongest faction atm.
And its not just Jinxer's silly list, what shows this, but also sylvan has the longest list of strong heroes:
Ylthin
Ossir
Vinrael
Anwen
and the banned Wyngaal.
And do not forget that in tote its easier to choose FE also.
Its nut true that sylvan can not loose, but play against sylvan is always a difficult task.
But I dont think I need more arguments on this. If someone does not believe me, take a look on new season clans, and wonder, 4 sylvan clan exists. More than any other factions. (Opposite happened with necro, they weakeed so much, there is no necro clan at all!)
Last season we (gmmari, odiak and me) were the only sylvan clan....
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