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Asheera
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posted July 01, 2008 08:12 PM |
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Plus, that is exactly what the first four heroes were.
You know, 3DO (or whatever company) were doing pretty childish things if you ask me... I mean, come on, destroying a world and then going through a portal into another one each time? Is that not childish?
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triumph
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posted July 01, 2008 08:15 PM |
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Remember in real life how diverse only HUMANS are -- how many cultures we have, etc.. And you try to mix totally different creatures together but because you can't find a culture you don't even add one. Completely lame 
Culture? WTF are u talking about?? I'm not looking for a history lesson on gnomes, I want to play a video game lol. People would rather take the fun factor over the "makes sense" factor anyday. If you want to play that game, how could a guy on a horse be level 6, be stronger than a hyrda that has 6 heads...Why is a guy on a raptor weaker than a girl with a whip, and yet they move about the same distance? You can't try to make sense of a fantasy game, that is an outrageous statement. Could dwarfs and elfs live together? I dont know, I dont care! All I know is that I'd rather have a colorful army than some bland group that looks the same and has the abilities all in the name of "accuracy".
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zazu1
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posted July 01, 2008 08:15 PM |
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TheDeath.... I'm not exactly sure how to respond to you. We are just on a completely different page here, and play this game for completely different reasons. I play this game as a social activity with friends. It's a strategic game that is a lot of fun and, in my opinion, the best TBS game out there. And that is what the game is always gonna be about.(At least to me)
I am not gonna write a book on how elves or dwarves live. Theres the farmer, baker, and the candle stick maker, and the Shepard, and milk man.... It all doesn't matter to me. It's a game. The game has always been made for its multiplayer (mostly hot-seat) game play since heroes 1. This race vs. theme has never been an issue until heroes 5.
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Cepheus
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posted July 01, 2008 08:18 PM |
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destroying a world and then going through a portal into another one each time? Is that not childish?
They had their reasons, storywise.
Sort of like how childish it turned out when Warcraft II ended in the destruction of a world, then going through portals 
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Adrius
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posted July 01, 2008 08:21 PM |
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So you guys only care about the hot seat thing?
You don't care about the campaign?
Cause the campaign is nothing without culture, because culture is lore, and without lore no story.
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zazu1
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posted July 01, 2008 08:24 PM |
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@ Asheera: I'm not sure how to judge your "childish" factor works. When does something become childish? Is WoW childish, because I was a giant bull who rode around a town of orcs and trolls on a giant raptor chicken(Ravenlord). Please explain this to me.
Is LOTR childish? Is Greek, Norse, Egyptian mythologies all childish? Like Triumph said this is fantasy based game. If having a bit of an imagination is childish I guess then I'm childish.
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Asheera
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posted July 01, 2008 08:27 PM |
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I am not gonna write a book on how elves or dwarves live. Theres the farmer, baker, and the candle stick maker, and the Shepard, and milk man.... It all doesn't matter to me. It's a game. The game has always been made for its multiplayer (mostly hot-seat) game play since heroes 1.
If you only want to play it then why the heck are we arguing? Let at least the "lore fanatics" be happy by actually having a understandable story/culture, and you can play your game any time If you only want to play for fun, then it doesn't matter what creatures the towns have and how they look. I mean, it's like chess: you don't need fancy creatures, but you can play it (and it seems that's what you want)
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This race vs. theme has never been an issue until heroes 5.
That's because, as I said, 3DO were doing pretty childish things. See my above post.
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I'm not sure how to judge your "childish" factor works. When does something become childish? Is WoW childish, because I was a giant bull who rode around a town of orcs and trolls on a giant raptor chicken(Ravenlord). Please explain this to me.
No, it is not childish, because you were temporary there and only one. But if you LIVE there with a lot of your giant bulls and actually form a society with the Orcs then it is pretty childish.
But you said it: Orc town. That means it was NOT yours, and thus you were just a traveler
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Is LOTR childish?
I really don't remember in LotR where you had towns with e.g. Elves, Humans, Dwarves and even other creatures all in one
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del_diablo
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posted July 01, 2008 08:28 PM |
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Remember in real life how diverse only HUMANS are -- how many cultures we have, etc.. And you try to mix totally different creatures together but because you can't find a culture you don't even add one. Completely lame
Culture? WTF are u talking about?? I'm not looking for a history lesson on gnomes, I want to play a video game lol. People would rather take the fun factor over the "makes sense" factor anyday. If you want to play that game, how could a guy on a horse be level 6, be stronger than a hyrda that has 6 heads...Why is a guy on a raptor weaker than a girl with a whip, and yet they move about the same distance? You can't try to make sense of a fantasy game, that is an outrageous statement. Could dwarfs and elfs live together? I dont know, I dont care! All I know is that I'd rather have a colorful army than some bland group that looks the same and has the abilities all in the name of "accuracy".
I agree 100%. I want tons with tons of difference, i want towns with many monsters and many different towns.
Just look at H3 Fortress, oh good times
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TheDeath
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posted July 01, 2008 08:28 PM |
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Culture? WTF are u talking about?? I'm not looking for a history lesson on gnomes, I want to play a video game lol.
Exactly, this is a video game, not an arcade game which has no sense.
Ever heard of lore? Pretty amazing thing if you ask me, it is included in any respectable game.. that is with a campaign like Heroes.
Any video game, fantasy, has a story.
what you said is the perfect example of lameness. Maybe you will include Santa Claus too, he is colorful
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zazu1
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posted July 01, 2008 08:29 PM |
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Yea Ardius, I guess I don't. I don't play the campaign that much unless I'm bored and theres nothing else to do. It's kinda a second part of the game I don't care much about. Stories can be interesting, Lore is important, but not as important as game play. I buy a game to play it, not to learn. If I wanted a story I would buy a movie, a show, or a book. I wouldn't buy a computer game.
Let me ask you this if you play WoW, or have ever played, did you play on an RPG server? Just curious if you did. If you have never player played WoW disregard this.
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Adrius
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posted July 01, 2008 08:31 PM |
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Maybe I'm just weird but to me Lore is Fun...
Edit: And no, I don't play WoW cause I think it looks silly, I like serious games without things being too colourful, like The Witcher or the Elder scrolls series
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TheDeath
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posted July 01, 2008 08:33 PM |
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Stories can be interesting, Lore is important, but not as important as game play. I buy a game to play it, not to learn.
Race based town are much more fun to play, because they make sense. Gameplay is only destroyed by random creatures without a story.
You know, even terrorists 'fight' for a cause -- otherwise it's pointless.
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zazu1
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posted July 01, 2008 08:40 PM |
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If you only want to play it then why the heck are we arguing? Let at least the "lore fanatics" be happy by actually having a understandable story/culture, and you can play your game any time If you only want to play for fun, then it doesn't matter what creatures the towns have and how they look. I mean, it's like chess: you don't need fancy creatures, but you can play it (and it seems that's what you want)
Thanks, that makes alot of sense. I'm gonna go play chess now. While I'm at it, i'm gonna play some halo. Oh wait, I play Halo for fun too so whats the point? there is no difference between chess and halo. Why would I want nice graphics, colorful and diverse creatures and landscape? Beats me.
My next question is If I just play this for fun and you don't then what do you play it for? It is a game, is it not?
How bout this. Why don't the story/culture fanatics go watch some movies and read some books, and give the people that just wanna have fun the games.. sound good?
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zazu1
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posted July 01, 2008 08:44 PM |
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Maybe I'm just weird but to me Lore is Fun...
I'm not disagreeing with you Ardius. Lore is important, WoW has a very deep integrate story line. It's just that when it comes to games:
Game-play >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Story
For instance, There are a much greater majority of people that play WoW on the non-rpg server vs. the rpg servers. sorry for using WoW as a reference so much it's just a good example.
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Cepheus
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posted July 01, 2008 08:45 PM |
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Gameplay is only destroyed by random creatures without a story.
What about random creatures with a story, i.e. those of Heroes III?
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zazu1
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posted July 01, 2008 08:47 PM |
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Gameplay is only destroyed by random creatures without a story.
What about random creatures with a story, i.e. those of Heroes III?
Thank Cepheus. You see, you can have both. Pleasing the story lovers and the game players.
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Cepheus
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posted July 01, 2008 08:53 PM |
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Uh, I'm not taking sides here, just trying to point out that having a group of random creatures together in a town does not mean that they cannot have a story. In fact it would be pretty naive to assume that the developers didn't have some reason to put them all together like that (unless, indeed, they were being "childish").
The earlier Heroes games (Heroes III and IV especially) don't focus on races, but kingdoms. Take Tatalia from Heroes III. Gnolls, Lizardmen and five tiers of monsters in a swamp. Yes, it's random. So what? Try the "Playing With Fire" campaign from Armageddon's Blade and tell me that there's no story there. On the contrary. The story of that one 3-scenario campaign alone provides more lore than any 5-scenario bash Heroes V has ever offered me. Then give Heroes Chronicles: Revolt of the Beastmasters a shot. If by then you are still trying to say that the Fortress town, full of a "random soup of creatures" lacks a story or lore, there is something wrong with you
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zazu1
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posted July 01, 2008 08:57 PM |
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what you said is the perfect example of lameness. Maybe you will include Santa Claus too, he is colorful
Hey, I have a better idea. Here is my Santa clause castle:
1) Santa Defender - Santa Shieldgaurd
2) Santa Spearwielder - Santa Skirmisher
3) Santa Warrior - Santa Mauler
4) Santa Brawler - Santa Berserker
5) Santa Slayer - Santa Executioner
6) Santa Priest - Santa Patriarch
7) Santa Warmonger - Santa Chieftan
Alignment: Good
Story: The Santa's were a happy race that gave presents to all the little children. BlawblahBlawblahBlawblah.
Enemies: The Grinches.
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TheDeath
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posted July 01, 2008 09:40 PM |
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How bout this. Why don't the story/culture fanatics go watch some movies and read some books, and give the people that just wanna have fun the games.. sound good?
When you can control the course of the movie however you want, please send me an email, I'd be interested
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Game-play >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Story
The problem is, of course, that a good story affects the gameplay in which graphics are supposed to render a realistic game. This is a fantasy game with realistic graphics and a good story -- you can play tetris if you want gameplay without story at all, or PacMan. Those are arcade games. (if you want, grab a super-detailed graphics edition too, but the game is still the same).
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Hey, I have a better idea. Here is my Santa clause castle:
I'm sure 3DO would have made it somehow, since they have no problem with childish things.
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Story: The Santa's were a happy race that gave presents to all the little children. BlawblahBlawblahBlawblah.
Excellent story, something which 3D0 would come up with
Now back to serious business. Heroes III had quite a lame story, in fact, Angels were cyborgs in disguise. How childish is that? I mean, why the HELL would cyborgs care to be disguised like Angels? Why?? Just to make it look like a "holy" town? That's what you think in war, if you look good or not. Perfect example of childishness 
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Cepheus
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posted July 01, 2008 09:41 PM |
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Heroes III had quite a lame story
Then I'd really hate to imagine how far beneath the quality scale Heroes V's storyline stands.
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in fact, Angels were cyborgs in disguise.
Could you please offer a source for this "fact"?
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