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kermit
Known Hero
Soul hunter
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posted July 10, 2008 04:29 AM |
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In my experience the seducers are simply too slow and won't live to use their ability. They're usefull in creeping, but in hero battles they're easy to take down or at least be weakened enough so that their ability won't wotk on anything usefull.
In the dungeon vs inferno example, the seducers will act after the raiders 99% of the time, hence they won't be able to use the raiders power against their own side. After first turn it's probably too late, one meteor shower probably decimating the entire stack.
Vs factions that have no means of taking out the seducers quickly in first turn, like haven, fortress, stronghold it should work quite ok, but vs dungeon they're not that good.
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ChaosDragon
Famous Hero
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posted July 10, 2008 05:57 AM |
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Right, againts dungeon seducer is a big no.
Unless you get a very powerful initiative arties, like ring of speed or staff of netherworld, but i doubt it, because dungeon has more chance to get it (artifact merchants).
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podz
Hired Hero
Armageddons blade will return!
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posted July 10, 2008 06:00 AM |
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i tried 2 battles and believe me succubuses r one of the most targeted creatures
for this reason only i used seducer to controll the tier 4 creature
with this creature under my powers i managed to take out 6 black drags with not one devil
pretty good aye
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ChaosDragon
Famous Hero
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posted July 10, 2008 09:06 PM |
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Your dungeon opponent should charge his rider asap if he deals with seducers.
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jormungand
Adventuring Hero
The Hammer of Hate
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posted July 20, 2008 03:00 PM |
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And dont underestimate the dungeon hero, they're dead-on with sorcery, destructive magic and empowered spells/elemental chains.
especially high-level-sinitar...
empowered meteorshower with elemental chaining and intelligence(no mana problems).
your only hope are impies then and probably he'ill have knowledge-boosting artifacts(maybe even ring of sar-issus)
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Doomforge
Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
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posted July 20, 2008 05:02 PM |
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Minion
Legendary Hero
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posted July 20, 2008 05:26 PM |
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swift mind > familiars
But even a lousy 5% inititive increasing artifact for familiars > swift mind 
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Ambidext
Adventuring Hero
Wandering knight
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posted July 21, 2008 02:44 PM |
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Havn't bought the expansions. But recently re-installed Heroes V again. On my games, I've never really had problems with Black Dragons. I seldom play Hard and above, but when I want a challenge I just place more opponents.
My experience with Black Dragons are as follows:
Sylvan - Emerald Dragons, and even Master Hunters have more initiative than Black Dragons. I use Ossir, so a round of my Master Hunters' shots can kill 2-3 Black Dragons if I'm lucky. I usually have about 2 stacks of 40-60 Master Hunters by then.
Haven - Just gang Arch Angels, Marksmen and Paladins on them.
As mentioned, there is no real strat against a Dungeon. When facing them you just need to play fast, and strike hard. Before their Black Dragons amass, strike them hard and fast.
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jormungand
Adventuring Hero
The Hammer of Hate
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posted July 22, 2008 05:21 PM |
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best artifacts to have when I play dungeon are 2rings of speed/celerity(probably their is one on the map and the otherone I'll buy if I get to see him in the black market)
with just these 2 rings, your blackies will have 14ini!---> black dragon acts before hunters and possibly before nature dragons
and you dont want to know what the other dungeon units will do!
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Gods of war I call you, my sword is by my side.
I seek a life of honor, free from all false pride.
I will crack the whip with a bold mighty hail.
Cover me with death if I should ever fail.
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Berny-Mac
Promising
Legendary Hero
Lord Vader
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posted July 23, 2008 06:27 AM |
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heres an idea.
black dragons are also immune to friendly spells right?
so make use of that and boost yer army up a whole lot and then you will be able to defeat them because they can't be powered up at all.
the strategy only sucks if you are necro because you usually dont get light magic.
if that happens then curse everyone else and make them easier to kill and if you are necro and have lich masters keeping your army alive it shouldn't be too difficult to stay alive.
(cotn will help get rid of the other pesky dungeon creatures if you focus on blackies then the rest)
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted July 23, 2008 06:44 AM |
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Actually I think we forgot the easiest cheesiest way of dealing with blackies. Sandro's cloak and puppet I have not used it against blackies but I know it works on magma dragons for sure so there is no doubt.
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jormungand
Adventuring Hero
The Hammer of Hate
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posted July 23, 2008 10:00 AM |
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good thinking
but:-with my rings my blackies will act before your hero(10ini).
-I usually try to get light magic with high-level-sinitar(capture a light magic-town or spell merchants)
-I will try to find or maybe even buy(tons of money) the staff of sar-issus if I see you having a dark magic-town
but still good thinking
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Gods of war I call you, my sword is by my side.
I seek a life of honor, free from all false pride.
I will crack the whip with a bold mighty hail.
Cover me with death if I should ever fail.
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Berny-Mac
Promising
Legendary Hero
Lord Vader
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posted July 23, 2008 10:03 AM |
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who are you commenting on?
me or Elvin?
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Warmonger
Promising
Legendary Hero
fallen artist
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posted July 23, 2008 10:13 AM |
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with my rings my blackies will act before your hero
Why you assume you will get the rings before Elvin does? It's not like playing versus AS.
Still, with one the most powerful artifacts in game it's not very hard to win anyway.
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jormungand
Adventuring Hero
The Hammer of Hate
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posted July 23, 2008 10:28 AM |
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who are you commenting on?
me or Elvin?
in fact elvin...
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Gods of war I call you, my sword is by my side.
I seek a life of honor, free from all false pride.
I will crack the whip with a bold mighty hail.
Cover me with death if I should ever fail.
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jormungand
Adventuring Hero
The Hammer of Hate
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posted July 23, 2008 10:31 AM |
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with my rings my blackies will act before your hero
Why you assume you will get the rings before Elvin does? It's not like playing versus AS.
Still, with one the most powerful artifacts in game it's not very hard to win anyway.
I'm always talking about large-impossible sized maps...
and dungeon has a good chance to get them
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Gods of war I call you, my sword is by my side.
I seek a life of honor, free from all false pride.
I will crack the whip with a bold mighty hail.
Cover me with death if I should ever fail.
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Sargeras
Known Hero
the Fallen
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posted July 23, 2008 10:39 AM |
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...then inferno in 6-7 month  with pendant of mastery and ultimate gating + a couple of relics will TRAMPLE your warlock with BDs...
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Now they shall be consumed by the very flame they sought to control...
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted July 23, 2008 10:50 AM |
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good thinking
but:-with my rings my blackies will act before your hero(10ini).
-I usually try to get light magic with high-level-sinitar(capture a light magic-town or spell merchants)
-I will try to find or maybe even buy(tons of money) the staff of sar-issus if I see you having a dark magic-town
but still good thinking
Actually it's not that simple. Every time I have used swift mind I act before units of int 13 so with some luck I could still act before the blackies.
I am not so sure you couls use light on the dragons, I think the staff only makes units vulnerable to the owner of the artifact.
Also I'm pretty sure that the staff of sar issus removes the resistance and not immunities that still remain.
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Doomforge
Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
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posted July 23, 2008 11:14 AM |
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Black Dragons are scary with dragogeddon and.. well.. that's it ~~
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Thanatos
Known Hero
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posted July 23, 2008 02:21 PM |
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...then inferno in 6-7 month with pendant of mastery and ultimate gating + a couple of relics will TRAMPLE your warlock with BDs...
If the game gets to that stage... which is very, very unlikely.
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