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infinitus
infinitus


Supreme Hero
posted August 15, 2008 07:49 PM
Edited by infinitus at 19:50, 15 Aug 2008.

How to beat Stronghold ? Please help ...

Just finished game with Odiak on Genesis, here is the replay http://rapidshare.com/files/137563350/imbaOrc.sav.html . I think this replay illustrate for real how imbalanced are orcs ... But maybe someone can tell me how to beat orcs with sylvan ? Without dark magic, he can't be found for sure on all maps, if played with Sylvan. I have with my hero expert light, expert luck, expert attack, expert logistic, expert destruction, cold death to counter super balista ... Odiak have expert shater dark, so 6 level wasted ...  Still not a single chance, i think, here for Sylvan ...

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sq79
sq79


Famous Hero
posted August 15, 2008 08:35 PM

LOL, 37/23 from orcs versus 17/15 from sylvan, how to stand a chance?
Army wasn't equal as well..

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infinitus
infinitus


Supreme Hero
posted August 15, 2008 08:39 PM
Edited by infinitus at 20:47, 15 Aug 2008.

Even if stats are equal, centaurs move first, gg ... If army oz bigger, maybe i survived one or two more turns Hi stats for orc oz from enlightenment, i visited almost all the map, exchange of towns ...
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sq79
sq79


Famous Hero
posted August 15, 2008 08:43 PM

Quote:
Even if stats are equal, centaurs move first, gg ... If army oz bigger, maybe i survived one or two more turns


Learn tactics, or chance with windstrider boots also , actually dragons, dancers, sprites, unicorns,  all move first... It was just super luck that the centaurs wasn't blocked i guess  

That battle ... he was lucky with the random atb , that's all.
Also why 400+ centaurs, and you have only 100+ dancers? Heavy losses, no enlightment, no tactics says it all in this game for ossir hehe

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infinitus


Supreme Hero
posted August 15, 2008 08:51 PM

he was lucky with the random atb ??????? His centaurus moved first in battle with phoenix garrison Replay please were Ossir beat Haggash on Genesis vs decent opponent  
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Famous Hero
posted August 15, 2008 08:56 PM
Edited by sq79 at 20:57, 15 Aug 2008.

Quote:
he was lucky with the random atb ??????? His centaurus moved first in battle with phoenix garrison Replay please were Ossir beat Haggash on Genesis vs decent opponent  


Omg
"Centaurs, Centaur Nomads and Centaur Marauders in hero's army gain +1 to
their Attack and Defense for every two levels of the hero, starting on first level.
Moreover they get +1% to their starting initiative for every level of the hero."

Bugged bugged bugged !!!!!

Orcs is not overpowered here it seems, Haggash is overpowered

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infinitus
infinitus


Supreme Hero
posted August 15, 2008 09:02 PM
Edited by infinitus at 21:46, 15 Aug 2008.

Agreed, agreed, agreed Thanks for tips SQ ... Orcs can counter tactics with his tactics
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Famous Hero
posted August 15, 2008 09:05 PM

Quote:
Agreed, agreed, agreed Thanks for tips SQ ... Orcs can counter tactics with his tactics


They will need to sacrifice battle frenzy if take tactics, if not no flaming ballista

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infinitus
infinitus


Supreme Hero
posted August 15, 2008 09:12 PM

Usually i take tactics, this game not happen to get
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insatiable
insatiable


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Ultimate N00bidity
posted August 15, 2008 09:32 PM

my impression is, that in most maps, in most games, barb is win vs sylvian
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Jinxer
Jinxer


Legendary Hero
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posted August 15, 2008 11:26 PM
Edited by Jinxer at 23:30, 15 Aug 2008.

I have said before and will say it again....  The only way to beat ORCS is with Dark magic.  UBI really dropped the ball with this town..

And for sure Haggash is being added to BAN hero list on Genesis.. But to be honest... I think I might be seriously thinking about just imposing a NO ORC town in my games rule.. just cause it almost NEVER ends in a balanced ending. No matter what map you play.


And I am just stunned... maybe I am a newb still... but one of the 1st things I learned early on is to ALWAYS take ENLIGHTENMENT!!!! So unless you were just extremely unlucky and wasnt offered it... seems you contributed to the loss even more so by not taken enlightenment.


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sxshopper
sxshopper


Known Hero
posted August 15, 2008 11:34 PM

Quote:
my impression is, that in most maps, in most games, barb is win vs sylvian


Couldn't agree more, I lost my first TOTE game being sylvan VS orcs ;(

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fiur
fiur


Promising
Supreme Hero
Map Creator
posted August 16, 2008 01:04 AM

well I got news for ya guys... on my map Art of War I got 3 games as Orcs vs. Sylvan
1.Attila as Talanar I was Kilghan  (totally loss for me)
2.Karim as Talanar I was Gorshak (again loss)
3. Karim as Gilraen I was Kragh (loss loss)
and in those game I did'nt just loose but not even close...

bottom line  yeah I don't know how to play Orcs... (or maybe even not the game at all    
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infinitus
infinitus


Supreme Hero
posted August 16, 2008 07:13 AM
Edited by infinitus at 07:14, 16 Aug 2008.

Need to try Art of War then, maybe it's Sylvan haven
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sxshopper


Known Hero
posted August 16, 2008 09:44 AM

Art of War is a cool map!!! ...Insatiable just doesn't like the name of it hahah

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Elit
Elit


Famous Hero
posted August 16, 2008 09:53 AM

"37/23 from orcs versus 17/15"
Is we reverse stats topic will be: how to beat sylvan with orc.
No need more explains

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infinitus


Supreme Hero
posted August 16, 2008 10:11 AM

As sylvan if i take enlightenment, no defense skill, right ? Enlightenment is better for sylvan compared to defense ?
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samiekl


Supreme Hero
posted August 16, 2008 10:18 AM

No, enlightenment is just the best skill out there for any race.

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Jinxer


Legendary Hero
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posted August 16, 2008 04:31 PM
Edited by Jinxer at 16:33, 16 Aug 2008.

Quote:
As sylvan if i take enlightenment, no defense skill, right ? Enlightenment is better for sylvan compared to defense ?



You choose Ossir every time... Ossir is an OFFENSIVE hero... well infact SYLVAN is an offensive town.  Only the Treants are meant for defence and they dont need defense skill to be tuff.

And if your hero is Level 30... that is 30 stat uppers that you sacrifice for a little defense boost?  Thats an Average of + 7 to stat. Just think if you got +7 to your defense.. that already is as good as +30% boost to defense. PLUS you get all the other stat boosts. Seems like a no brainer to me.  

Its like getting to have your cake( defense) and eat it to...( all other stats big too)
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infinitus
infinitus


Supreme Hero
posted August 16, 2008 07:39 PM

Thanks for suggestions, now priority to take enlightenment increased by 100 %
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