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samiekl
Supreme Hero
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posted August 25, 2008 03:14 PM |
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Arena tournament
I wanted to ask if there's a possibility to add an arena tournament in the new season.
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
*****
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posted August 25, 2008 04:29 PM |
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Isnt the Arena -- the duel type map? If so... I have my doubts that a tourny could be done, cause all tourny games are reported thru TOH rankings... and Duel games dont qualify as a real game and there for cannot be reported. Ofcourse thats just my understanding, I am often wrong more then right tho 
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samiekl
Supreme Hero
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posted August 25, 2008 04:34 PM |
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Well, if that's the case we can add something like 10 points for victory, -5 points for loss.
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fiur
Promising
Supreme Hero
Map Creator
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posted August 25, 2008 04:35 PM |
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YES samiekl... no need for ranking points at the standard ranking just a side tourney would be fine I guess Ves manage to make such a tourney page for sure...!
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Strider_HL
Famous Hero
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posted August 25, 2008 04:57 PM |
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I'm glad that finally TOHers exhibit some interest about arena 
The best arena map around that has come a far way of continuous improvement for over a year (last post):
Arena Map
In HeroesLeague they hold regular arena tournaments. What's good about it? Two things - it attracts more activity than full online games according to their experience AND dueling is an essential part of the H5 game. Moreover, this random tactical arena is MANY times superior to preset UBI duels.
About ranking. IMO, there is no way to merge arena results with conventional TOH ranking. A new, parallel ARENA/DUEL rating should be established.
Basically, Ves has to like and support the idea. Obviously, it would require some effort. Maybe if someone helps, Ves would be more forthcomming After all, TOH has to change with our beloved game and duels are a large part of it for many, many players 
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted August 25, 2008 05:17 PM |
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Well I disagree with making a seperate form of Ranking reporting for Duel games. If you did that, eventually you would have everyone just playing duels and very few normal games. If players wanna tweak there skills on these maps.. or dont hve time for a full game, and wanna just play a quick duel that is fine.. but you should NEVER ever get any rankings points at all for duel games.
Now if Ves wants to do a Special Subtourny where it is scored similar to hero tourny and he wants to take manual reports via e-mail that would be ok. But never any ranking points can ever be gained from a duel. Just my opinion.
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fraudatio
Famous Hero
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posted August 25, 2008 05:58 PM |
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Have to agree 100% with jinxer here, a tourney is of course cool, I would easily try my luck there, but my fear is that this could cannibalize real heroes playing if it got too promoted in rankings etc. Look how we have "lost" great Zilonite to this
Its like swapping football games for a penalty shootout
Penalties can be fun, but most so after a long match and extra time. I tried it vs Fiur just now, and of course it was much fun. Still, if Heroes was about duelling, then i can come up with several other things/games to do. Hence my reluctance towards this.
But Arena tournament? Oh yeah.
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Strider_HL
Famous Hero
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posted August 25, 2008 07:59 PM |
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Have to agree 100% with jinxer here, a tourney is of course cool, I would easily try my luck there, but my fear is that this could cannibalize real heroes playing if it got too promoted in rankings etc. Look how we have "lost" great Zilonite to this
Of course, Arena rating would feature more games and that is natural. I doubt cannabalizing threat - everyone can easily see the pattern in Ubi or HeroesLeague. Extrapolating previous data one might expect that full online games will still be there and maybe even more. Why? Because it's easier and less troublesome to catch newbies' attention with arena that might later on transfer also to full online.
Lost Zilo? That's exactly my point! Don't lose arena players. If TOH has to live with dueling preferences then let's keep it in the house
Personally, I would play almost full online only. My point is - we shouldn't be scared of arena as suggested by track record elsewhere. Let's have two seperate ratings and be a "modern" heroes site that advances with change of time. Otherwise, seems that mostly we still live in H3 times...
Anyway, I don't care too much about any of this. I doubt Ves will want to incorporate this massively popular heroes addition - duels. Maybe a small tournament without any rating influence would be a good testing ground to see if this idea flies at all
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
*****
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posted August 25, 2008 08:12 PM |
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As if anyone would really care... but if TOH ever started counting Duel battles for any kinda TOH rankings... Jinxer would be gone and done in TOH faster then I died vs. Fraud in recent Acadamy slaughter of 2008 !!
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Zilonite
Famous Hero
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posted August 25, 2008 08:15 PM |
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My 2 cents here:
1.General. I'm sharing joy with Strider that some more ToHers apart from me, Strider and Sq have some interest in this If there will be such a tourney, i'm in (hehe, i'm typing this as gotta wait an hour till 3rd finals game on similar tourney on Heroes League).
2.Rankings. Main rankings - forget about that. Special rankings - cool idea, but completely unreal Most we could ask from Ves is some symbolic prize for the winner (very small amount of rankings points or simply medal (our artist Fiur could design that one for sure).
3.Special tourney - yes. We can even make it as an international event together with Heroes League.
4.Organization of the tourney - imho, we don't have to involve Ves into this as he is busy enough with other things. Its quite simple to organize fun tourney through forum. We sign up here and make reports here + one or two organisers keep up score table (something like this). I can even volunteer to do it (btw, in Heroes League it is organized exactly this way).
5.Map - current version of the arena is superbly balanced and has been in circulation for very long time, so no need for any content changes here. Only problem is that map texts are in russian, so, if there is a ToH tourney, english translation should be nice.
6.Rules of the tourney - no need to develop anything here as well. If this tourney will look like real option, I or Strider can post main rules that Heroes League is using for those tourneys.
P.S. Fred - u r ma man  Great Zilo can make an exception to non-playing, if you are up for some Balrog hunting in Twilight 
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Strider_HL
Famous Hero
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posted August 25, 2008 08:16 PM |
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This would happen ONLY if both ratings are intertwined. But what would be the problem is there is a completely seperate ARENA rating
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Towerlord
Promising
Supreme Hero
Hero of Good, Slayer of Evil
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posted August 28, 2008 04:46 PM |
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I think an Arena tournament is a very good ideea... many of us don't have enough time for a full game, and arenas solve that problem
A ranking system similar to the one from the Main Tournament, but with different ranks would be perfect ... or at least something like the Hero Tournament
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valkyrica
Supreme Hero
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posted August 29, 2008 05:27 PM |
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My 2 cents here:
We sign up here and make reports here + one or two organisers keep up score table (something like this).
OMG, Strider is king there as well.
All hail, king of all known heroes galaxies and beyond !
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Strider_HL
Famous Hero
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posted August 29, 2008 06:07 PM |
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OMG, Strider is king there as well.
All hail, king of all known heroes galaxies and beyond !
Nah, I'm one of several decent arena players in HeroesLeague and haven't played there since spring. Btw, Zilo is current champion there both in duels and arena I really hope he might return to full online as, imo, Zilo is one of da very best generals around!
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valkyrica
Supreme Hero
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posted August 29, 2008 06:32 PM |
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OMG, Strider is king there as well.
All hail, king of all known heroes galaxies and beyond !
Nah, I'm one of several decent arena players in HeroesLeague and haven't played there since spring. Btw, Zilo is current champion there both in duels and arena I really hope he might return to full online as, imo, Zilo is one of da very best generals around!
Humbleness is not a trait of kings.
Please, enlighten us with stories of your victories
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Towerlord
Promising
Supreme Hero
Hero of Good, Slayer of Evil
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posted September 03, 2008 12:36 PM |
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We sign up here and make reports here + one or two organisers keep up score table (something like this).
HeroesLeague would be okei , if it weren't for all that russian ... which makes the site inaccessible.
Maybe Battlefest tournament @ ToH would fit best this Arena style games
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Strider_HL
Famous Hero
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posted September 09, 2008 10:37 AM |
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About rankings for arena games...
1. As I have stated previously, heroes have evolved and duel/arena part is now a very important constituent of the game we love. MANY people prefer it over full online. Survival by change. That's how it is in our world. Morale - TOH should incorporate arena/duel aspect in order to remain as No.1 place for heroes on the net.
2. Two ratings can hardly be consolidated. Even if there is found a formula for this TOH would still receive a lot of resistance from full online players. Why should we invent bicycle anyway? Two SEPARATE BUT SIMILAR ratings for full online and arena/duel is the best solution.
Theoretically speaking, creating arena rating shouldn't be that hard. Though I understand little in programming, seems that reporting system could remain almost intact except for small line "arena game". Once it is selected, the report is inserted in almost "copied/pasted" rating system with slighty changed profiles - instead of map list there would be "played faction" list. How's it is done is quite irrelevant as long as it is.
Bottomline, if someone seriously helped Ves with the job, Ves thought that the TOH should adopt the new heroes dimension, and the community helped with the design of the system, WE CAN PULL THIS. Imo, the key aspect here is to releave Ves of any time-consuming web page reconstruction. If he might be convinced that no extra spare time is to be sacrificed, then "good to go" decision is quite probable...
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Mytical
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Chaos seeking Harmony
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posted September 09, 2008 10:44 AM |
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Well I would love to do some Arena matches, my time is very limited just to warn you. Right now, only on Wednesdays after 10am (anytime) but I have to have a bit of notice. I live in Eastern Standard Time. My msn is Nightsilk203@yahoo.com
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Towerlord
Promising
Supreme Hero
Hero of Good, Slayer of Evil
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posted September 09, 2008 11:36 AM |
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Strider is right, a secondary Arena ranking would be very nice indeed,
But as I understand more than him about programming and databases, I can tell you things are not as easy as he says, not very hard either.
First of all we would need an asp programmer, that likes Arena enough to make the transition, in order to make this happen. If we find him, and he has the time to do it then things might be good, otherwise this cannot be a solution.
Also, there is another solution, which i proposed in the other thread:
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But I have an even better & simpler solution, make some Arena tags, like the H3 and H4 tags ... so we can play for ToH main ranking.
It could be something like this :
Two players meet and decide to play Arena.. They start 3 games, and the one that wins 2 out of 3, gets credit for the win. He reports it once, and gets the points as if it were only one normal game.
It's been done for H3 & H4 players, so I think it can be done for Arena players also !
The problem here are guys like Jinxer, whom I believe has a very bad attitude in this situation, and I think he is discriminating Arena players with his attitude. By threatening to leave the Tournament, he actually wants to get the idea dissmissed and that is really an ugly way to act!
I couldn't care less if Jinxer leaves ToH, I haven't played him and don't know him at all but there are many people who played Jinxer, and like him, and he and his attitude make bad publicity for the Arena, and that is not fair, Jinxer dismisses something he doesn't even know.
I think we(Tohers) should embrace this Arena, as we will get more players around, and that is a very good thing, plus it is alot of fun!
So in the end I just want everyone to be objective and answer these questions :
1. Do you think a high ranked Arena player(good player) , will be a lousy normal game player, and he won't deserve his rank ?
2. Or does it bother you that by playing 3-4 hours, he will get as much points as you would for a full game ?
On a sidenote, I must say I would like to play for ToH, and get the rank i deserve, be it footman or lord, but full games are just impossible for me.
Also there is the competition feeling, which makes you give your best when you play( I for one have been playing Sq lately in the Arena and I feel he is giving only 80% of his possibilities, which makes me give less also sometimes) .
In the end I hope we will find a solution for this!
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samiekl
Supreme Hero
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posted September 09, 2008 12:10 PM |
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sq is overrated. the footman rank suits him perfectly
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