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LightCrusader
Hired Hero
Death before Dishonour
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posted September 27, 2008 08:39 PM |
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Some things will never change!
I have seen lots of vangelis threads in this forum and thought that i wouldnt bother others and try to solve privately issues , misunderstandings. But after what just happen , i see no other way, because Vangelis21 is already spreading around that I am a cheater and i cant stand those false accusations.
We played elvin's new map school of sorcery today (great map) , and vangelis insisted that he will create because he has an awesome net . So I agreed, but when we started to play , the game was veery laggy, i thought that it would only be temprorary so i waited a little and then started playing, but the lag was still there and eventually my computer crashed. Vangelis understood and said that next time he wants a proof that (picture of the moment when my computer says that i disconneced).
I agreed. I thpught that maybe the la was caused by me and restarted the comp then we continued and the lag was gone. Then we played hours without problems. I had clearen all the mines, and reached back home , it was at the start of week 2 i think, then i started clearing there. I was having a fight, when all of a sudden ,it says: vangelis21 disconnected. Then it took alittle time to end the game and when i reached to msn , he already asked what happened that i disconencted again and that my net is horrible. But i didnt disconnected , he was the one and then he started denying it and finally accusing and threating me that i am a cheater and if i dont continue then he will reporta gainst me.
Here is our conversatioon copied from msn:
27.09.2008 20:27:17 Vangelis Light crusader what happened again...?
27.09.2008 20:27:31 Vangelis Light crusader i loaded but you must fix your net i think
27.09.2008 20:29:18 Vangelis Light crusader you here?
27.09.2008 20:29:32 Light crusader Vangelis what do you mean what happened`?you did disconnect and where is that prooof of the disconnect like you aske d me?
27.09.2008 20:29:49 Vangelis Light crusader i didnt disconnect. my internet is working perfectly
27.09.2008 20:29:53 Vangelis Light crusader you disconnected again
27.09.2008 20:30:09 Light crusader Vangelis what the hell are you talking, vangelis21 disconnected
27.09.2008 20:30:25 Light crusader Vangelis i played my battle and suddenly you disc
27.09.2008 20:30:36 Vangelis Light crusader is it your first game in heroes? whoever disconnects it shows the same messgae to the opponent
27.09.2008 20:30:48 Vangelis Light crusader to me it showed that you did , and to you that i did
27.09.2008 20:30:57 Vangelis Light crusader thats something everyone knows
27.09.2008 20:31:26 Light crusader Vangelis how can i disconnect when i am in the game perfectly , and no laggs
27.09.2008 20:31:31 Vangelis Light crusader your internet is obviously too slow for online gaming but we must finish our game. game loaded
27.09.2008 20:31:46 Vangelis Light crusader the game had lags ALL the tiem, every single day until dc
27.09.2008 20:32:06 Light crusader Vangelis you got to be kidding?? then how can i play with everyone without problems except you!?
27.09.2008 20:32:50 Vangelis Light crusader man i dont know and dont care what you do with others, and obviously you dont have a lot of games , (11 i think only) so you cant know how it works. rejoin the game now because i am getting angry
27.09.2008 20:33:34 Light crusader Vangelis you are getting angry?? this is absolutely unbelieveable!
27.09.2008 20:34:06 Light crusader Vangelis the previous agems we palyed were without lags and you were the one to say that prove disconnect and where is your proof??
27.09.2008 20:34:52 Vangelis Light crusader man you are disconnecting 2 times , i am not even insisting on seeing the proof that you dc and you are talking back? i have 200 games and you are the noob here that can't be trusted. will you join now or i will go report you?
27.09.2008 20:36:32 Vangelis Light crusader so?
27.09.2008 20:36:53 Light crusader Vangelis wtf??
27.09.2008 20:37:20 Light crusader Vangelis you are a total liar and making me guilty, so this is the true you!
27.09.2008 20:37:46 Light crusader Vangelis i am talking with others about this and they say you are wrong !
27.09.2008 20:38:10 Vangelis Light crusader if you suicided and you want to get out of the game you are a cheater, i dont care what others say., i know that i cant trust a noob
27.09.2008 20:38:25 Vangelis Light crusader so either you continue the game or i will report you as i should
27.09.2008 20:38:33 Vangelis Light crusader tell me now, i dont have time to lose
27.09.2008 20:40:07 Light crusader Vangelis i am a suicider ? youa re an absolute jerk,I was having a fight until it showed taht you disconnected and now you are making me the guilty one, you are a total liar , testify it and lets continue , but dont start lying here!
27.09.2008 20:40:34 Vangelis Light crusader i have 200 games and i dont need to lie to win an easy opponent like you.
27.09.2008 20:40:56 Light crusader Vangelis you were the one who said , proof is necessary and where is yours??
27.09.2008 20:41:05 Vangelis Light crusader you have doen it a lot of times and i always pretend not to care. so stop the theater and join the game, i will not say it again.
27.09.2008 20:41:36 Light crusader Vangelis easy oppoennt?? last time we played your wion was close and we had no problems and now you are just lying and making me guilty!
27.09.2008 20:42:24 Vangelis Light crusader if you can beat me do it straighlty and not by quitting the game after bad fights. i didnt even say that you did it , but just because you attacked me it showed that you are guilty
27.09.2008 20:42:33 Vangelis Light crusader you must at least try to hide it
27.09.2008 20:43:08 Light crusader Vangelis i have done it a lot of times? what a liar youa er i cant believe , all this time i thought good about you, at first not , but then i noticed that you are just a cocky but honourable player with lots of experience, i guess i was wrong , you think you can just trick and force newbies!!
27.09.2008 20:43:26 Vangelis Light crusader i loaded the game seconds after you dc. and as you saw i didnt even asked you the proof i said earlier, you didnt respect that and tried to talk back, that shows what you did
27.09.2008 20:43:33 Vangelis Light crusader 200 games cant be tricked or forced
27.09.2008 20:43:52 Vangelis Light crusader 200 times people trusted me to to play., thats not coincidence
27.09.2008 20:44:28 Light crusader Vangelis you diodnt ask the proof god damn it you were the one who disconnected , why are you lying , is it so important for you to not admit that you had a bda fight and quit, and now you are making me guilty!
27.09.2008 20:44:29 Vangelis Light crusader so join the game because i dont have time to lose now. dont make the situation worse. as you see i am tryning to forgive any attitude you have. dont make me change ways.
27.09.2008 20:44:46 Vangelis Light crusader i almost never have bad fights
27.09.2008 20:44:55 Vangelis Light crusader and when i do i give the game easily
27.09.2008 20:45:08 Vangelis Light crusader ask elvin how many times i have reported a loss week 1 after suiciding
27.09.2008 20:45:12 Light crusader Vangelis i have an attitude, this is it!! i will never play with you and i will report about your behaviour
27.09.2008 20:45:23 Light crusader Vangelis then everyone can see the true you
27.09.2008 20:45:38 Vangelis Light crusader then you are the opne to lose. i will alwasy find someone to play. you will lose opponents now
27.09.2008 20:45:44 Vangelis Light crusader you are the noob and i am honorable
27.09.2008 20:45:51 Vangelis Light crusader now you proved that you cheated
27.09.2008 20:45:53 Vangelis Light crusader pitty
27.09.2008 20:46:11 Vangelis Light crusader dark crusader you lost easily, you ARE an easy opponent at the end
27.09.2008 20:47:14 Light crusader Vangelis i proved that i cheated!?? This is absolutely ridivulous, you are a total jerk , liar , fraud
27.09.2008 20:47:39 Vangelis Light crusader now you will see that you will stay at your 11 pathetic games
27.09.2008 20:47:45 Vangelis Light crusader noob, liar , cheater
27.09.2008 20:47:47 Vangelis Light crusader you are blocked
Sorry for my bad language in this conversation, I just couldnt control myself , if someone is lying and making you guilty , it is hard to remain calm.
I hope that people wont believe Vangelis, I am no liar or cheater, I have always tried to play honourably , death before dishonour , and that wont judge things by how many games someone has played, i may have played only 11 games, but i am still a player too
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted September 27, 2008 08:51 PM |
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Dont start new drama. DC is happend some times and its not only because some one cheat.
My game atm vs Tintagel we play normal over 5 week and game DC acident when we was in fight both in controled guard. We both get same msg "for oponent is disconect". So we just load. For now all is OK.
My game vs sxshoper we dont have any lag but on week 4-5 we have 7 DC for one turn same turn. So crazy stufs hapend. We end game with no more DC after this turn.
Simple dont argue so easy. Just load and play. No need to blame eatch other. Its just game. No money here 
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted September 27, 2008 08:55 PM |
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Edited by Jinxer at 20:56, 27 Sep 2008.
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I dont think you have anything to worry about LightCrusader... I for one dont listen to anything that comes out of Vangelis mouth anymore.. He went on my MSN block list couple weeks ago already.
And disconnects happen..to everyone!
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted September 27, 2008 09:02 PM |
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Oh boy not again  Look, you can't tell who disconnected unless you see hamachi or msn reconnecting. If you are in battle and there's a d/c the opponent will be kicked out and you'll keep playing the battle until it's over and then you'll be kicked out too. Naturally both players see the message that their opponent disconnected so that's no proof either.
But the argument that you are a noob that can't be trusted is weak. If you show distrust to everyone from the start then you can't except to be very popular. Come on, handshake and leave out this silly arguing!
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JoonasTo
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
What if Elvin was female?
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posted September 27, 2008 09:03 PM |
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Waiting for Azagal to come here and shout...
YEAH! TOH DRAMA BABY!
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Lexxan
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Unimpressed by your logic
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posted September 27, 2008 09:06 PM |
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Waiting for Vesuvius to change the thread title in:
ANOTHER VANGELIS21 DRAMA - LightCrusader
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Coincidence? I think not!!!!
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nevermind
Famous Hero
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posted September 27, 2008 09:17 PM |
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Hehe funny stuff..
The both of you need to understand something..
And apperantly you both understand very little about how the net actually works..
first of all regarding you both accousing who disconnected well NO ONE DISCONNECTED it can say in a message that he disconnect and for him it will say the same thing , The truth is probably some temporary lag caused this disconnect which started this stupid fight..
The other thing is you both blaming the other for the lag problems while in reality lag is between two people (unless someone is using some 3rd world REALLY slow connection)
For example this is possible :
Player A vs Player C = lag
Player A vs Player B = no lag
Player c vs Player B = no lag
SO ? if A has lag then shouldn't a vs b get lag?
And if c has lag , Shouldn't c vs b get lag?
But they don't!
This happends because the lag is effected by many parameters i think the most important is probably either the latency between the two countries that both players are from Or the bandwidth between the two countries..
In anyway you have nothing to worry about because as we all know a man is innocent until proven guilty .. So thats that..
P.S personally if someone were to ask me for a prove that i didn't cheat i would probably immediatly report loss against that person and then never play him again , But hey thats me and i do many things kind of different.
(well thats not exactly true more correct is to say i would not play him until i calm down and forgive him over time)
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Adrius
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Stand and fight!
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posted September 27, 2008 09:22 PM |
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Yuck... can't stand it when people look down on so called "noobs"...
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Azagal
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Smooth Snake
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posted September 27, 2008 09:36 PM |
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Edited by Azagal at 21:37, 27 Sep 2008.
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No **** man... that's just low...
And Lightcrusader everybody has already explained the DC thingy, both get the message that the oponent disconnected (you don't get a message saying that YOU disconnected).
And nevermind about Vangelis... he is horrible at communication atleast when the subject has anything to do with Heroes he feels so high and mighty on his imaginary throne and there is nothing you can do about it really . Just don't take all that noob stuff serious.
EDIT: I almost forgot
YEAH!! TOH DRAMA BABY!!!
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diegis
Supreme Hero
power of Zamolxis
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posted September 27, 2008 10:46 PM |
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I dont think you have anything to worry about LightCrusader... I for one dont listen to anything that comes out of Vangelis mouth anymore.. He went on my MSN block list couple weeks ago already.
And disconnects happen..to everyone!
Right!!!
vAngela is blocked to me as well. Also after all he said to Ves in forum, to me in private (on msn), and many other players as I heard, he should be banned from Toh. This type of frustrated child will never learn...
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Adrius
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Stand and fight!
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posted September 27, 2008 10:51 PM |
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I just came back from the report thread for the ToH and my respect for Vangelis just hit rock-bottom...  
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LightCrusader
Hired Hero
Death before Dishonour
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posted September 28, 2008 12:16 AM |
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Okay, thanks for your replies, I acted a little rash and hot- headed too, sorry for another annoying vangelis drama thread
Atleast i learned about the lag issue, and next time , i will act calm, report loss and not play again. This is just one game, and the game should be fun and honest, thanks , guys.
I got what i needed, the chance to tell things from my point of view.This thread should be locked or deleted to not annoy more people.
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted September 28, 2008 05:08 AM |
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Sure it needs to be said.
If someone is trying to ruin your reputation on here, thats the least he could do.
I for one would not want my name mentioned to the public that I am a cheater, especially if I did not cheat.
Vangelis is just starting too much crap now.
Yall say not again.
Yea why dont you tell Vangelis this.
Disconnects happens & no it does not always tell the others you left.
As far as i know, Vangelis could of said he disconnected but in the back if his mind, he escaped a bad battle.
I dont know & I seen these convo's all the time.
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lixue
Tavern Dweller
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posted September 28, 2008 12:46 PM |
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i block this vangelis guy too,thanks god not have play a game with him.
msn talk was strange enough.
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted September 28, 2008 12:49 PM |
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It's simple to know ho done disconnect, play TOH games on UBI training server ...
Black disconect humor - started game 3 days ago with all known emperor for his "good" morale qualities ... 3 disconnects in row i stopped game for this reason this day ... second day again 3 dc, i cancel again our game ... our last encounter one more ask for reload for him, i offered, a couple of minutes later dc, we reload and i start to look what he doing, Genesis is good place to watch your opponent . He stands neer Thunder Thanes. I say - man you done mistake by attacking thanes, and dc on purpose... Response - man i don't have problems with Thanes and attack Thanes ... After battles with Thanes - you see i powerful i not afraid Thanes, now i attack blood temple, i don't have problems with they too ... In 10 seconds another dc ! Should i continue game like this ? What to do in this cases ? This is fair play to try and dc on purpose if not success ?
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diegis
Supreme Hero
power of Zamolxis
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posted September 28, 2008 01:11 PM |
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Edited by diegis at 13:13, 28 Sep 2008.
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hahahahahahahahaha...
Of course u don't play him anymore. I would ask him to report as well...What's over there? a training room... ?
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Strider_HL
Famous Hero
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posted September 28, 2008 01:19 PM |
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It still might be d/c In developing countries internet is rather unstable frequently.
For instance, current game vs Pera - in the first session we had 3 d/c in the same turn while it was his turn. Yet I know that was my internet's fault despite being his turn. Next session we had another 3 d/c but now on my turn. Look at sitution (it's very suspcious) - I attacked dread knights and he can see the battle (in genesis one can observe corner arts). We finished that day. Next session no d/c at all! In my battle against dread knights I got deadly strike from last 1 half dead sucker (and thus played worse than in the 1st try in previous session).
Morale? This game goes nowhere without mutual trust. If the person is cheater, he can do it anytime... If you have your doubts - don't play him next time as there is no way you could prove that he cheated with d/c (both get the same screen).
For instance, in that game nancy has made a thread currently, he had 3 d/c in a row in the same 20-30 min turn. Very suspicious again... Did he cheat? I cannot know that. Simple question of trust 
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Mytical
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Chaos seeking Harmony
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posted September 28, 2008 01:38 PM |
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Just want to say something. It's not always about how many games you've played..or your win/loss record. I've known some people who can pick up a game for the first time and thrash people who have played it for years. And not just 1 or 2 times..which could be called lucky, but every time they play.
It is about how you carry yourself. There is the.."Respect for others, accept losses, be humble in victories, and if there is a problem treat it with maturity" way..
Then there is the childish way...the only question you have to ask yourselves is which way you want to be. Not saying anybody has been the second way, or pointing fingers, or anything. Just saying.
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted September 28, 2008 01:46 PM |
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To Diegis - training room is UBI server channel, were people play for fun, UBI statistic not work on this channel, that why is good for TOH long games, you not loose points in UBI statistic by leaving/saving unfinished games.
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Nothing's impossible
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
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diegis
Supreme Hero
power of Zamolxis
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posted September 28, 2008 01:54 PM |
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To Diegis - training room is UBI server channel, were people play for fun, UBI statistic not work on this channel, that why is good for TOH long games, you not loose points in UBI statistic by leaving/saving unfinished games.
I know very well this, only that, i thought u played for Toh in there, not training...that's all, otherwise don't see the main point in ur post
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