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Asheera
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posted September 28, 2008 07:38 PM |
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Well from what I understand Strider lost the save, but that's not important (at least he said that) because the game works with only one save (yours Elit) as well. However, he said the save is corrupt and that's why it doesn't work.
And I once got a corrupt save as well so it's not really a "fairy-tale". It can happen... (I don't know if this got fixed in 3.1 though)
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Elvin
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posted September 28, 2008 07:43 PM |
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His point is that the corrupt save works with several other players that he tried. I don't consider it a dead giveaway that strider cheated since H5 often has such strange bugs but it's suspicious no matter how you choose to look at it.
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Strider_HL
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posted September 28, 2008 07:52 PM |
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His point is that the corrupt save works with several other players that he tried. I don't consider it a dead giveaway that strider cheated since H5 often has such strange bugs but it's suspicious no matter how you choose to look at it.
Both of you, Asheera and Elvin, are right. It does look suspicious. Fortunately, screenshots that I sent to Ves and nancy fully support my story (described them earlier).
In general, should there be a report? Yes - if player refuses to continue the game or avoids opponent with no reasonable explanation for several weeks.
Should there be a report if save file was corrupt even if one party don't have it? NO! Mind that it's not my word you should trust - screenshots are unimpeachable evidence (not sure if nancy posted those as well).
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Wolfsburg
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posted September 28, 2008 07:56 PM |
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Hello Elit!
The idea of creating a thread is to share a situation with your fellow community members. An idea, a warning, an abuse. The creators normally are in search of support, guidance, orientation, or even, a simple friendly shoulder.
We got long ago that you have a situation with Strider, and you surely exposed at lenght the disagreements history. But up till now, it was scarcely backed up by anyone. Which makes me wonder if the problem CAN IN FACT be generalized. Then why not simply stop playing Strider? Why not keeping it private? Why involve the rest of the community? There has to be a reason...
I caught myself wondering what exactly you wanted from us. To give you support? To ostracize Strider?
What exactly do you expect from us? What are you trying to say to the other community members?
Cheers,
W.
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Elit
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posted September 28, 2008 08:01 PM |
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Well from what I understand Strider lost the save, but that's not important (at least he said that) because the game works with only one save (yours Elit) as well. However, he said the save is corrupt and that's why it doesn't work.
And I once got a corrupt save as well so it's not really a "fairy-tale". It can happen... (I don't know if this got fixed in 3.1 though)
Ty for reply but you need to read all story. 
Its on HoF days 2.0 He loss his save and asked me for send him my. I know if i send him my save he will see minimap from my side. Its important info on week 3(map is letsfight). But i wanted to continue game and send him my save. After we try to load he say "i cant join". I dont know are its true or not but result is we cant end game. If he keep his original save we will can end game. For this i asked him to report loss and he refuse. When i see we cant agree i stop all argue with him and e-mail Ves. All his defence was bessed on "save is corupted" and if he have his original save we cant continue game. So i decide to chek it and send save to AL and Buxyrs. Both join in my game from 1st try and save worked. If you DL fail from main post you can see pictures from game chat with buxyrs. So its pissed me alot if you see convo from e-mails.
Lets accept all what say Strider is true. Save not work for him and he loss his original save. So i need to pay for it? Dont think! I loss over 1 real month for play this game. He act very arogant with me. I stay online with Fred to wait Strider for end save. He come and see us both online. Because his save with Fred was befor final battles they load 1st. Strider know i will wait for him to continue after his game. I stay online 4h for wait him. When he not contact me i send him msg in msn. I was suprised when he say: sorry i'm play poker now. I cant accept its for normal. He can tell me at least we will not play and not keep me to wait. Next week when we try to load he say "i loss my save". How you will feel if its happend to you (i mean all from toh)? Its normal to ask him for report and is normal from him to report.
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Asheera
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Elite Assassin
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posted September 28, 2008 08:09 PM |
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Edited by Asheera at 20:11, 28 Sep 2008.
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So AL and Buxyrs could join the game without having the "original" save (they had yours), but Strider could not join. So I think even with the "original" save, Strider could still not join, because of a bug or something. The point is that it's not important he lost the save, it's important that he had this "bug".
Either that or Strider lied (I'm not taking any sides here, just saying the possibilities) - but he has screenshots (although pictures can be edited I doubt anyone here is so lame to do that )
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Elit
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posted September 28, 2008 08:25 PM |
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Edited by Elit at 20:38, 28 Sep 2008.
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So AL and Buxyrs could join the game without having the "original" save (they had yours), but Strider could not join. So I think even with the "original" save, Strider could still not join, because of a bug or something. The point is that it's not important he lost the save, it's important that he had this "bug".
Either that or Strider lied (I'm not taking any sides here, just saying the possibilities) - but he has screenshots (although pictures can be edited I doubt anyone here is so lame to do that)
Actualy if other people can join its say here not game bug. Only Strider have problem to join. For example he can put some mod and game to kick him when try to join. I dont want to argue are he realy cant join or not. All what i say is "he loss his save". If he have his original save and game refuse to start we will void it. If game start after i send him my save we will continue it too. But we have loss save from his side and not working my save to his PC only. Its look realy "strange".
In general. When some one loss his save (or any what prevent game to be end) are he need to report loss or not.
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Then why not simply stop playing Strider?
Yes i stoped to play him. No point to play if your oponent can "loss" his save again.
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Wolfsburg
Promising
Known Hero
... the Vampire Doc
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posted September 28, 2008 08:46 PM |
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Elit said:
Yes i stoped to play him. No point to play if your oponent can "loss" his save again.
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Wolfsburg said:
Then what exactly do you expect from us? What are you trying to say to the other community members?
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Elit
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posted September 28, 2008 09:06 PM |
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Elit said:
Yes i stoped to play him. No point to play if your oponent can "loss" his save again.
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Wolfsburg said:
Then what exactly do you expect from us? What are you trying to say to the other community members?
You can find your answer on page 1 my last post.
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Main topic was creat after i was forced from Strider when i simple talk with Jinxer for his map and he use personal attacks(nancy).He is attack me personal every time when he can. Its result from this old story. So far Strider breack CC too...so need be baned?
How all people in ToH alredy notice we are not love so much with Strider. This old convo is main reason for it. We keeped all private with Ves for avoid toh drama Buts look argue only progres in time. Almost every his post in HC Strider breack CC and use personal attack vs me. So i decide its cant be more wrost from it and lets all people know for what we are arguing so long. Its all start when i ask him to report loss because he loss his save. So are i was wrong or not. I'm ask it in all my post but only Infinitus give clear answer.
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Aculias
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posted September 29, 2008 06:54 AM |
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Ok you want a serious convo.
WHy is he going to come here telling everyone about a private matter?
He writes some biography about an argument about saves.
Why would you want to post that crap in public, it's not needed.
What, he cant settle it on his own.
Point is that you dont need to post every tiny problem to the public.
Learn to deal woth problems or simply write them in your black list.
It's really not needed.
If Strider cheated or is a quitter then yea.
This is just an argument about a disagreement.
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Elit
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posted September 29, 2008 08:28 AM |
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Ok you want a serious convo.
WHy is he going to come here telling everyone about a private matter?
He writes some biography about an argument about saves.
Why would you want to post that crap in public, it's not needed.
What, he cant settle it on his own.
Point is that you dont need to post every tiny problem to the public.
Learn to deal woth problems or simply write them in your black list.
It's really not needed.
If Strider cheated or is a quitter then yea.
This is just an argument about a disagreement.
Post is made here because Strider totaly lost control and start call me with offensive names in every his post.
I agree for: not need post every "tiny" problem, but are its look tiny for you? If we have discuss in HC about lossed savs befor this game he will not cheat for fake loss his save.
Post here can prevent same cheats in future and avoid problems like it.
About black list. He is former player on hall of shame for me.
This is my arguments about your disagreement
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Aculias
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posted September 29, 2008 08:58 AM |
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If you have a problem with a player & his mouth, you should email Ves the problem.
It would be cool if there was at least one HC member so he can deal with it fairly.
Point is that there are ways to solve problems.
It used to be far worst before.
Sometimes you need to stand up to yourself.
You have as much rights as Vex or anyone.
Someone disrespects you then give him a piece of your mind.
Just because someone is honourable or popular that dont give them any right to treat others like crap.
I seen enough of it long ago from Atilla & alot of other popular vets.
Point is, you have right like anyone else.
If you cant back it up & you feel he is breaking some rules, then talk with Rob.
People being offensive have been banned before.
Of course with warnings.
One of the first I seen cheated & screwed me in my first 3 TOH games.
A quick 0-3 record LOL.
Now that sucked LOL.
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valkyrica
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posted September 29, 2008 09:56 AM |
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Spell checker enabled ?
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Strider_HL
Famous Hero
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posted September 29, 2008 11:40 AM |
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Having a pet name that is even sweet by no means can be classified as personal attack  The image of nancy with her red coquettish cap, braided basket full of poisonous donuts and knee-long red dress dotted with small white flecks helps me regard her slandering assaults with irony in most cases  In other words, it's a necessary cost to avoid ugly disputes in forums 
As for CoC - nancy has used up the right to refer to the forum rules at least for a decade. Her behaviour especially in last 3 months has been that of a virus - at the sight of smallest bruise she did everything in her power to induce inflamation that lead to pus all over the forum The reference to CoC by this cute bloodhound is hilarious hehe
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted September 29, 2008 12:01 PM |
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Having a pet name that is even sweet by no means can be classified as personal attack The image of nancy with her red coquettish cap, braided basket full of poisonous donuts and knee-long red dress dotted with small white flecks helps me regard her slandering assaults with irony in most cases In other words, it's a necessary cost to avoid ugly disputes in forums
As for CoC - nancy has used up the right to refer to the forum rules at least for a decade. Her behaviour especially in last 3 months has been that of a virus - at the sight of smallest bruise she did everything in her power to induce inflamation that lead to pus all over the forum The reference to CoC by this cute bloodhound is hilarious hehe
Very mature post. About viruses you need good antivirus prog but dont think its will help. Your problems is located behind Keyboard.
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valkyrica
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posted September 29, 2008 01:13 PM |
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Who let the dogs out, w00f, w00f !
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Aculias
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posted September 29, 2008 04:25 PM |
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I'll check my spelling later
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Towerlord
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posted September 29, 2008 07:06 PM |
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My advice on this problem is to reinstall 2.0 and continue the save! I think if it worked on buxyrs and al kilmore's comps ,it works on strider's also ... probably he had a corupted version of heroes then or something , not the save file itself was corrupted since it worked on other computers.
That is the best way to settle it , finish it and report it ... Claiming win for lost saves is not a general rule, and you can't force someone to report loss because of that. On the other hand if it was done on purpose, than yes you could claim win... but that cannot be proved here, so the best solution is to give one more try to the save, with a fresh install on both computers 
If that doesn't work again ... just drop it ! You can't prove anything and you cannot force a inocent person to report loss(benefit of the doubt) ... Anyway, just remember, if Strider lost the save on purpose on the long run, he will have only to lose ... also if your acusations are false and you force victory on Strider, on the long run, you will be the one losing
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Strider_HL
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posted September 29, 2008 09:20 PM |
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In order to wrap up my presence in this thread I'll do what I should have done already in the beginning. Here are those screenshots and excerpts from my last 2 e-mails to Ves:
"Vesuvius, here are the screenshots showing his game before I try to join and 10 seconds later... in last screenshot we can see that "join" button is inactive and now there are kind of 2/2 players....
With this proof if should be sufficient to withdraw any cheating accusations! So, in the end all this "try to avoid game from beggining, cheater, cheater, stupid cheater" rubbish exhibited elit's own moral stance.
The save works with other ppl and that means that lack of my save has no impact on game!!! Screenshots show that I did not cheat or lie about not being able to load. Actually I suspect if we tried harder (perhaps simply by resending that save file to me) we would succeed... but you cared more about other things.
So, it boils down to fact that game could be launched somehow but we just did not try hard enough.
Also, I just realized another argument why the game should be void - he now has full info of my side after loading with his clanmate.
On the more sad note, this discovery has repercussions on the whole gameplay - now anyone with cheating habits (like our gollum) has a way of spying on opponent...
Its just sad how this situation turned out... instead of trying to solve the situation this gollumish character surged to report win and went around preaching cheaterism... he is too imature for the world of adults and heroes...hopefully it can be cured by time and love "
P.s. nancy suggested that I might have simulated the situation by using some mod. FYI, with mods the game issues "checksum" error that is clearly not a case here.
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Asheera
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Elite Assassin
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posted September 29, 2008 09:30 PM |
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On the more sad note, this discovery has repercussions on the whole gameplay - now anyone with cheating habits (like our gollum) has a way of spying on opponent...
LOL I never thought about that, but I can't believe it's so easy to cheat and spy
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