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Thread: Power rating / creature evaluation ( poll also )
Elochai
Elochai

Tavern Dweller
posted November 19, 2008 08:24 PM
Edited by Elochai at 20:30, 19 Nov 2008.

Poll Question:
Power rating / creature evaluation ( poll also )

I know there are many discussions about the most powerfull tier 7 creature and so, but I hope what I did is more precise, and I hope this hasn't been done already. I did it more for myself, when I was bored, but then I thought it might be useful, both as an evaluation of H5 creatures, as well as a discussion about their imbalances and maybe how their power ratings should look like in H6. I wouldn't mind keeping a count if everyone would take the time to share their opinions and post the power rating they would like Lvl 7 creatures to have. It would be better if arguments are given as well, for example, some player might think Ghost Dragons should be incorporeal, thus counting this ability would raise their power rating, and such. I made a list with all H5 ( TotE also ) creatures, their states, abilities and power ratings, also pointing out things such as highest speed, highest initiative and so on. For the upgraded creatures such notes are made for both of them, unless it differs. For example after the Red Dragon comes the observation: " Speed on par with Emerald and Crystal Dragons ", but that note is also made for the Black Dragon, as well, not just Red, wich is why Black is also not counted along with Emerald and Crystal Dragons in that phrase:


Shadow Dragon - Large Creature, Flyer, Fire Breath
               Att: 25
               Def: 24
               Dmg: 45 - 70
               Int: 10
               Spd: 9
               HP: 200
Highest damage.
Highest Speed of un-upgraded Lvl 7.
Power rating: 5234

Black Dragon - Immune to Magic
              Att: 30
              Def: 30
              Dmg: 45 - 70
              Int: 10
              Spd: 9
              HP : 240
Highest Damage.
Red Dragon   - Incinerate ( + 50% dmg, no retal )
              Att: 30
              Def: 30
              Dmg: ( decreased ) 45 - 60
              Int: 11
              Spd: 9
              HP : 235
Speed on par with Emerald and Crystal Dragons.
Power rating : 6443 and 6389


Angel - Large Creature, Flyer
       Att: 27
       Def: 27
       Dmg: 45 - 45
       Int: 11
       Spd: 6
       HP : 180
Power rating: 4866

Archangel - Resurrect Allies
           Att: 31
           Def: 31
           Dmg: 50 - 50
           Int: 11
           Spd: 8
           HP : 220
Seraph - Caster ( Righteous Might [Adv - + 9 att, cost 6], Divine Vengeance [Bas, cost 14] )
        Att: 35
        Def: 25
        Dmg: 25 - 75
        Int: 11
        Spd: 8
        HP : 220
        Mana: 14
Highest Attack.
Power rating: 6153 and 6003


Fire Dragon - Large Creature, Elemental, Immune to Fire, Fire Shield ( 20% of dmg reflected ), Fire Breath
           Att: 25
           Def: 32
           Dmg: 40 - 50
           Int: 9
           Spd: 5
           HP : 230
Highest Defence and highest HP of un-upgraded Lvl 7.
Power rating: 4883

Magma Dragon - Improvement - Magma Shield ( 40% of dmg reflected )
            Att: 30
            Def: 40
            Dmg: 40 - 50
            Int: 9
            Spd: 5
            HP : 280
Highest HP, highest Defence.
Lava Dragon  - Loss Fire Shield, Improvement - Liquid Flame Breath ( 10 dmg / Lava Dragon, 2 turns )
            Att: 30
            Def: 35
            Dmg: 44 - 55
            Int: 9
            Spd: 5
            HP : 275
Second highest HP, second highest Defence.
Power rating: 6100 and 6070


Colossus - Large Creature, Immune to Mind Control
          Att: 27
          Def: 27
          Dmg: 40 - 70
          Int: 10
          Spd: 6
          HP : 175
Second highest damage.
Power rating: 4822

Storm Titan - Shooter, No Melee Penalty, Stormcaller ( 3x3 area, 10 dmg, 1% shooting penalty [max 90%] / Storm Titan, 3 turns )
             Att: 30
             Def: 30
             Dmg: 40 - 70
             Int: 10
             Spd: 6
             HP : 190
Titan       - Shooter, No Melee Penalty, Call Lightning ( 30 dmg / Titan, ignores magic protection, but not magic resistance / immunities )
             Att: 30
             Def: 30
             Dmg: 40 - 70
             Int: 10
             Spd: 6
             HP : 190
             Rgd: 5
Second highest Damage.
Power rating: 6095


Green Dragon - Large Creature, Flyer, Acid Breath
              Att: 27
              Def: 25
              Dmg: 30 - 50
              Int: 12
              Spd: 8
              HP : 200
Highest Initiative of un-upgraded Lvl 7.
Power rating: 4942

Emerald Dragon - Immune to Earth
                Att: 31
                Def: 27
                Dmg: 33 - 57
                Int: 14
                Spd: 9
                HP : 200
Crystal Dragon - Prismatic Breath
                Att: 30
                Def: 26
                Dmg: 30 - 60
                Int: 14
                Spd: 9
                HP : 200
Highest initiative of lvl 7.
Speed on par with Shadow, Black and Red Dragons.
Power rating: 6028 and 5905


Cyclops - Large Creature, Raging Blood, Swallow Goblin
         Att: 29
         Def: 27
         Dmg: 40 - 52
         Int: 9
         Spd: 5
         HP : 220
Highest Attack, second highest HP and second highest Defence ( on par with the Colossus and Angel ) of un-upgraded Lvl 7.
Power rating: 4790

Bloodeyed Cyclops - Goblin Thrower, Evil-eye, Range Penalty
                   Att: ( decreased ) 28
                   Def: 28
                   Dmg: ( decreased ) 35 - 50
                   Int: 10
                   Spd: 6
                   HP : 235
Untamed Cyclops   - Goblin Thrower, Crushing Blow ( dmg to walls and towers is 10 / Untamed Cyclops, 2x2 area, includes friendly creatures ), Range Penalty
                   Att: 30
                   Def: 27
                   Dmg: 45 - 57
                   Int: 9
                   Spd: 5
                   HP : 225
Power rating: 5937


Devil - Large Creature, Flyer, Demonic
       Att: 27
       Def: 25
       Dmg: 36 - 66
       Int: 11
       Spd: 7
       HP : 166
Power rating: 4868

Arch Devil - Summon Pit Lords ( 2 / Arch Devil, takes 120 HP of dead creatures / Pit Lord )
            Att: 32
            Def: 29
            Int: 11
            Spd: 7
            HP : 199
Arch Demon - Teleport Other
            Att: 32
            Def: 31
            Dmg: 36 - 66
            Int: ( decreased ) 10
            Spd: ( decreased ) 6
            HP : 211
Second highest attack.
Power rating: 5850 and 5860


Bone Dragon - Large Creature, Flyer, Undead
             Att: 27
             Def: 28
             Dmg: 15 - 30
             Int: 11
             Spd: 6
             HP : 150
Power rating: 3174

Spectral Dragon - Cursing Attack ( Weakness [Adv - difference between min and max dmg is decreased by 80%] ), Death Stare ( -1 Morale decrease )
                 Att: 30
                 Def: 28
                 Dmg: 25 - 35
                 Int: 11
                 Spd: 7
                 HP : 160
Ghost Dragon    - Sorrow Strike ( Sorrow [Bas - - 2 morale and luck] )
                 Att: 31
                 Def: ( decreased ) 27
                 Dmg: 27 - 36
                 Int: 11
                 Spd: 7
                 HP : 150
Power rating: 3905 and 3872



Un - upgraded creatures power rating:

I.Shadow Dragon  - 5234
II.Green Dragon  - 4942
III.Fire Dragon  - 4883
IV.Devil         - 4868
V.Angel          - 4866
VI.Colossus      - 4822
VII.Cyclops      - 4790
VIII.Bone Dragon - 3174


Upgrades power rating:

I.Black Dragon                         - 6443
II.Red Dragon                          - 6389
III.Archangel                          - 6153
IV.Magma Dragon                        - 6100
V.Titan / Storm Titan                  - 6095
VI.Lava Dragon                         - 6070
VII.Emerald Dragon                     - 6028
VIII.Seraph                            - 6003
IX.Untamed Cyclops                     - 5937
  Bloodeyed Cyclops                  
X.Crystal Dragon                       - 5905
XI.Arch Demon                          - 5860
XII.Arch Devil                         - 5850
XIII.Spectral Dragon                   - 3905
XIV.Ghost Dragon                       - 3872

As it can be seen, there are quite a lot of imbalances to talk about. Black and Red dragons are strong holders of their 1st position as un - upgraded, as well, but why Black Dragons first, and not Red ones?? This is probably a question players can argue about for hours, without any of them changing their mind. Red suffer a dmg decrease, but they have the " Incinerate " ability, wich more than compensates for that, as not only do they reach the highest dmg, but also evade the reataliation ( the observations such as highest damage are made on the creatures without considering some of them's Specials such as Red's " Incinerate " or Titan's " Call Lightning " ). Back to Red and Blacks, there is also the problem with Red Dragons beeing puppeted, frenzied, took down with spells, when, on the other side, Blackies can't be controled, only disposed of by direct combat, in wich they are pretty much unmatched 1 on 1. Leaving that aside, their biggest rival, the Archangel, comes next, after beeing only 5th amongst un - upgraded. However, as one raises, another falls, meaning nr 4 un - upgraded, the Devil drops all the way down to position 11 , 12, respectively. The Magma Dragon, is slightly surpassed by the Archangel, with a difference of 53 in power rating, an drops from 3, as un - upgraded, to 4. Next ( with only 5 less points in power rating ) come the Titans and Storm Titans, equals in power, slightly different in abilities, dissappointing power wise, some may say, but still with a big comeback, as the Colossus was only more powerfull than the Bone Dragon . The Magma's alternative, comes next, again, at only 25 points far from the Titan's, followed by the Emerald Dragon, wich suffered a huge drop, from 2nd to beeing only 7th . Next is The Seraph , very dissappointing, as there is such a huge difference ( 5 creatures ) between it and the Archangel... And here we have the Untamed and Bloodyeyed Cyclops - no comment on them ? ... Next is the Crystal Dragon, with more than 100 less power rating than it's alternative, also beeing surpassed by 3 other creatures. Admiring their living cousins, the Spectral and Ghost Dragons take example and hold on to their position, as well .
So, as I said earlier, there are many imbalances to talk about, how would u like every creature's power rating to look like, and why, the nedeed balance and such. When talking about creature impovements, please do so in terms of comparation. Hero abilities, racials, artifacts and such can also be taken in consideration, but never just for one of the creatures u're comparing, always try to find a way to counter one another. That is the only way we'll be able to determine the actual power rating they should have. For example, the Titans and Magma Dragons are similar in one point, and maybe the Magma Dragon should be put before the Titan, if we're talking about their Immunity to Mind Control, as the Titan's can be negated, at one point with " Sandro's Cloak ", when, on the other side, The Magma's " Elemantal " can't be dispossed of, but they can't be resurrected, as a counter argument. But, then again, the highest HP and Defence, along with their " Magma Shield " and Immunity to Fire should be more than enough to make the MDs the hardest creatures to dispose of. About the poll, please pick the improvement u think of as essential.
I hope this hasn't been discussed elsewhere, already .

Responses:
Gimme' a break with those Blackies, they're not Gods!!
Archangels fit better, if talking about God alike.
No, they don't. That would be Titans.
Speaking of Gods, shouldn't the Devils be the
Seraphs are losing, here, guys.
Childs of Sylanna, they say... Those weaklings?
No vote for the one eyed monsters??
The Bone Dragons really are rotting and the Ghost are dangerously close to invisible.
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Oscarius
Oscarius


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posted November 19, 2008 08:28 PM

Your poll don't got any Lava Dragons

And you have 2 angels options
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radar
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posted November 19, 2008 08:33 PM

Imbalanced power rating?

So what?
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Elochai
Elochai

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posted November 19, 2008 08:38 PM
Edited by Elochai at 20:40, 19 Nov 2008.

Quote:
Your poll don't got any Lava Dragons

And you have 2 angels options


I tried to cover what I thought was more essential. Sry bout' that ... I favour Fortress too, as faction, but I made the poll mainly for the imbalances in power rating... As u can see, for the Black Dragons there is only the option of power drop, but u can always comment on somethin' I did not cover in the poll .

@Radar: It's supposed to be more than just the power rating we're talking about .
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