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diegis
diegis


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posted November 22, 2008 05:04 PM
Edited by diegis at 17:52, 22 Nov 2008.

mistake or not?

oki, I have a game recently, ossir vs havez on genesis.

I broke first on water then headed to his realm.
But after I broke on water-loose 1 pixie-  I checked opponent castle and was empty, havez nowhere and his walking points almost finished - then guess what?- the opponent dc, in spite that he was online on hammi

we reloaded - and we agreed to do same moves - guess what again, i broke and finish turn, but: Havez is heading home now...hihi, got his full army and arties.-(not if I could reach his castle, but still )

we fought and i lost... and reported.

The end of story....and no drama, have I made any mistake in here?

EDIT:

Important thing I have to add here: Havez has had greater stats then ossir, and his init arties was 40% and all this on week 5!

So, should ossir improved his stats, strolling around, breaking gates, or he did good attacking havez?

What would you do guyz in this situation, happened to me second time already versus Havez bastard!...
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posted November 22, 2008 06:49 PM

That's a tough one. First of all I'd tell him it's dishonourable to not do same turns after a dc and ask him to reload again, do the same turn after all. It's crucial cause you wanted to surprice him by breaking on water, get on land there and catch him by surprice, unprepared with no mini arties. 1 turn does make a difference on Genesis. Then again, is water the best way to break opponent off guard? If I'm corrct it's the closest to his castle you can get without getting spotted. On the other hand he can attack you the same turn you land so you better be prepared 100%. Genesis is very complicated and each situaion is different. Especially versus Havez I'd check every day late game whether he has mini arties, where he's heading etc.

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fiur
fiur


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posted November 22, 2008 08:55 PM

hmmm if someone d/c it should be pretty obvious  that they do the exact same moves as before the D/C... everything else smells like an "cheap" trick to me....  
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posted November 22, 2008 08:58 PM

Crossed my mind as well, besides you did say you agreed to repeat..?
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diegis
diegis


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power of Zamolxis
posted November 22, 2008 10:23 PM
Edited by diegis at 10:42, 23 Nov 2008.

Quote:
Crossed my mind as well, besides you did say you agreed to repeat..?


I said I agreed to reload, and did, what could I do? But anyway, doesnt matter this, I get used somehow.
As Buxy said, and also spotted to me on msn, taking the water, (especially when I got "caught", what is obviously, cose I attacked the gate on water), was not the best move from me, but I couldn't resist to attack his realm, was to much of a preparation... and returning, was not option from my point of view.

I risked, I lost, and I had fun in the end. (meaning now, not there )

May be I should have strolling around  a bit more, but I'd have complicated things too much, and last the game much more.

Would u attacked?..just a question for myself now....thx a lot guyz!!
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infinitus
infinitus


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posted November 22, 2008 10:33 PM

If all done right, academy is unbeatable for sylvan on Genesis ... But this is only my opinion ...
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diegis
diegis


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power of Zamolxis
posted November 22, 2008 10:39 PM

Quote:
If all done right, academy is unbeatable for sylvan on Genesis ... But this is only my opinion ...


yup, thats what i was afraid of, even if i lost with Havez many times...
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lord_nerevar
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posted November 23, 2008 04:16 PM

You must try to atack in week 4.Rushing with ossir is the key to succes is my opinion.

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Jinxer
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posted November 23, 2008 05:52 PM

To be honest... IMO... Ossir should be on the banned hero list. Or at the very least.. players should agree to not use him same as Wyngaal..  He allows for battles to be taken that should not be possible to the mere mortal Sylvan Heroes.  Sylvan is already the MOST dominate town in the game.. adding Ossir to the mix is just kinda silly.

And I am not even talking about the final battle. Cause in my last 5 games with Sylvan.  My arcanes were dead before they even got a turn. There defense rating is worthless.  But ossirs creeping ability is just way to insane.  

Still amazes me how many players will only play if they can CHOOSE the power heroes lol... still need there crutch I guess to have any success in this game... But what amazes me even more.. is players that LET these crutch players CHOOSE Ossir!  hahahahahaha

Or for that matter... choose Havez... or any Power hero for that matter. Come on people... show some true skill in the game and go random and start winning games without the crutch heroes.
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Aculias
Aculias


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posted November 23, 2008 05:55 PM

Thats BS dude.

I seen many players like that & he broke an agreement.
Of course there is nothing you can do.
I think you should let everyone know who it is & he should not play with fair players.

I bet he found a way to disconnect as well just so he wont get caught with his pants down lol.
Thats just as bad as cheating & he should be put on the black list.
I hope no one has to go through what you did.
I been through it many time.

Matter of fact that is cheating in my eyes.
Disconnecting, then going a different route to win.
Just as bad.
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diegis
diegis


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power of Zamolxis
posted November 23, 2008 08:22 PM
Edited by diegis at 20:39, 23 Nov 2008.

to Acu and everyone:

Even if so, I couldnt get his town, but within 2 days after i landed - which happened after I broke in the happiest case. 1 day landed, then 2 more days to his town.

The way I calculated was smth else...and I'll tell you how: block his road to gate, so he couldnt get to town and no more arties and supply!!!

After he changed route, he could get to his town, but I calculated this and was pointless to refuse and argue about his changed routes-(I did a bit ), cose he could still get home I think within those 3 days. Im not sure of my calculus, but it doesnt matter now.

In day 1 after landed I could block his way back home, that was the surprise and I couldnt take the chance of it.

surprise element, may be...who knows...
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infinitus
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posted November 23, 2008 09:20 PM
Edited by infinitus at 10:33, 24 Nov 2008.

To Jinxer - Still not understand why i should take random hero. I like to play hero i like not one given by chance. Ossir is by far not the fastest at creep, on most maps fastest are Havez and Kaspar, i talk about UBI maps cos i no more play custom maps. This days i play Wyngaal on UBI and can't say he is imbalanced, his creep power is lower compared to many other heroes. Players with good skill can win vs him.
So many restrictions, banned staff, heroes, here on TOH now I glad to have alternative like UBI server is, total freedom, choose what you want, do what you want.  
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Jinxer
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posted November 23, 2008 09:32 PM

Infinitus.. I KNEW you would be replying to my post.. Cause after all you are the KING of only picking the Strong dominate heroes.

I dont want a flame war.. that is not my intention.. But UBI maps are EASILY exploited... Especially when you ONLY play the power heroes on them... So I can understand why you want UBI maps and Only Power Heroes.  Only playing Ossir/Havez/Wyngaal is for newbies. LMAO

Its time to throw away the training wheels Infinitus... and ride your bike like a big kid.  Sure you might wreck a few times and get a few bumps and bruises.. but you will get the hang of it in no time.
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fiur
fiur


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posted November 23, 2008 09:32 PM

ppl who play only to win choose town/hero
(I don't play such a players if we don't mutual agree on picking...)

where is the challenge when you choose Ossir/Kaspar/Havez
(and your opponent get an "Low" level hero....)
But what do I know  

About Kaspar he is'nt my favorite Necromancer at all (cause in late game his WM skills are very useless... for me Naadir/Zoltan +++ is a way better choice
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Jinxer
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posted November 23, 2008 09:50 PM

Since Fiur and I have similar tastes.. I have to agree with him..

I desire a good final battle.. and because of that Ossir is not my favorite Sylvan hero.. I much prefer ylthin instead... As I pointed out.. Arcanes are great for creeping.. but since there defense is NON exsistant... they die way to easy in final battle.  So what good is Ossir in final battle when you got no arcanes

And as Fiur also pointed out.. being spoon fed your entire creeping game with these power heroes.... where is the fun in that? Where is the skill?  yawwwwnnn!  Boring!
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infinitus
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posted November 23, 2008 09:59 PM

Quote:
I dont want a flame war.. that is not my intention.. But UBI maps are EASILY exploited... Especially when you ONLY play the power heroes on them... So I can understand why you want UBI maps and Only Power Heroes.  Only playing Ossir/Havez/Wyngaal is for newbies.  LMAO

No, no, you don't understand I play UBI maps cos is the way i see Heroes 5 must be. Custom maps is (at least yours) players play 5 hours or more each on his side of the map vs AI, no interaction between players at all. Final is one big boom battle. And this is it, anything else is banned, or called rash. This is more like offline tournament, no online play.
This days i play Key to Victory map, start position 1 and 3... And i mast say yesterday was the most exiting games in my heroes practice, war between scouts, many towns, each turn you must think to invest in another scout warrior or to leave part of territory to opponent and build in the main town on this money. Many battles, not only between scouts but between main heroes too. Creativity at maximum power. I not play Ossir or Wyngaal on this map, yes they may be main hero, but on this map sometime secondary hero decide ho win the game.
Ho knows, then i will become veteran like you, maybe i will like to meditate 5 hours again on my part of the map  
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diegis
diegis


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power of Zamolxis
posted November 23, 2008 10:01 PM
Edited by diegis at 22:12, 23 Nov 2008.

Quote:
ppl who play only to win choose town/hero
(I don't play such a players if we don't mutual agree on picking...)

where is the challenge when you choose Ossir/Kaspar/Havez
(and your opponent get an "Low" level hero....)
But what do I know  

About Kaspar he is'nt my favorite Necromancer at all (cause in late game his WM skills are very useless... for me Naadir/Zoltan +++ is a way better choice


Imagine now, I play random-(which I did a lot and still do)-and then was ALWAYS in bad luck and ended playing with crap heroes vs Havez or Ossir...

I think its time for choose to play random without those as main or second, that would be fun; or making pairs of crap heroes which we to choose

Lets call it..."crap tournament"  hihi...-just joking of corse

EDIT:
making such pairs, its not a bad idea after all
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Jinxer
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posted November 23, 2008 10:18 PM
Edited by Jinxer at 22:19, 23 Nov 2008.

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No, no, you don't understand I play UBI maps cos is the way i see Heroes 5 must be. Custom maps is (at least yours) players play 5 hours or more each on his side of the map vs AI, no interaction between players at all. Final is one big boom battle. And this is it, anything else is banned, or called rash. This is more like offline tournament, no online play.
This days i play Key to Victory map, start position 1 and 3... And i mast say yesterday was the most exiting games in my heroes practice, war between scouts, many towns, each turn you must think to invest in another scout warrior or to leave part of territory to opponent and build in the main town on this money. Many battles, not only between scouts but between main heroes too. Creativity at maximum power. I not play Ossir or Wyngaal on this map, yes they may be main hero, but on this map sometime secondary hero decide ho win the game.
Ho knows, then i will become veteran like you, maybe i will like to meditate 5 hours again on my part of the map  




And again Infinitus... UBI is to blame for the lack of versitility in this game.  Simultaneous turns are a MUST and the best thing they brought to this game.. but with there inability to let Simultaneous turns last even after heroes interact is the reason that all great tournament grade maps are restricted to playing 5 hours without interaction.  Because other wise the 5 hour game turns into 10 hour game without simul turns.

I am not a programmer.. but still baffles me as to why they cannot make it so simul NEVER turns off.. If 2 players are trying to attack the same fight... who ever gets there first gets the fight and it just makes it inaccessable to the other... kinda like now when you try to fight a player controlled garrison and they are in another battle.. it just does nothing.. Maybe could have a small alert pop up.. This battle is already engaged... be faster next time.  

Then simultaneous turns could last entire game.. and that would open the door to unlimited possibilites... infact all my previous maps in previous verisons of heroes were open/closed maps combined.  There was plenty of options for scout battles thru out entire game or mains even.. if you chose to stray into neutral areas etc.. but still had to break into opponents area to conquer there town etc.  

But again.. until UBI fixes this problem with simul.. then we are stuck.


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Aculias
Aculias


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Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
posted November 24, 2008 03:13 AM

Even though Diegis.
Point is yall agreed on something & he broke the agreement.

That is dishonest & dishonourable.

It dont matter how tough his army is, or if he even had a chance to get to it to kick your butt.
You miss the point on fairness.

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Jinxer
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posted November 24, 2008 03:19 AM

Diegis.... can you tell me in private msn who did this so I know not to play them.  Thanks.
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