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Towerlord
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posted December 03, 2008 08:27 PM |
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After seeing the replay, I must say that Jinxer overplayed Lord Nerevar in creeping, by a big margin... and losing a battle like that must be quite tough, but Nerevar outsmarted him  .
On the other hand, I tend to believe Elit, that Dragon Form rune is supposed to be that way... since it is so bad compared to Battle Rage rune, maybe the game creators added this feature in order to balance things out.
Also I think it wasn't the rune which decided the game, but the lack of Fire Resist ability for Jinxer. Fire Resist is a no brainer, when fighting a natural destructive magic hero like Svea.
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Elvin
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posted December 03, 2008 08:29 PM |
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Pretty much agreed. Armageddon won this one.
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Jinxer
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posted December 03, 2008 09:31 PM |
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NO NO... Armaggon did nothing... it was ignite that was allowed to regenerate the entire battle. And yes was bad choice on my part to not go the other break path and get the magic protecton arts that was there.. ofcourse I didnt think I needed it.. since magic immunity should have protected from armagaeddon and ignite. UBI's way of thinking is still backwards on some of there stuff.
And No offense agasint Lord Nevevar.. he is a worthy opponent.. but he didnt outthink me in battle.. He had only 1 weapon. That took no thought. Click the arma button and hope I died before he run outta mana. No skill required there.. As I said no offense to Nerevar.
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Asheera
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posted December 03, 2008 09:34 PM |
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Did you know that the Fire Resistance perk protects you from Ignite?
At least that's what I've seen in a Replay once.
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Jinxer
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posted December 03, 2008 09:49 PM |
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Edited by Jinxer at 21:54, 03 Dec 2008.
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There are TONS of things that protect agasint ignite.. as I said.. seen no reason why Magic immunity wouldnt protect me... but apparently " igniting creatures with 100% of the spell damage.. really doesnt mean spell. It should say ignite will inflict 100%physical damage. But it doesnt it says 100% spell damage.. which would suggest that it acts like a spell.
So far a big portion of my losses so far to date.. have been as a DIRECT result of UBI's inability to stick to there own description of how there own game works.. They write one thing then make it do something else.. what the point in a manual? If have to keep losing games just to learn how drunk UBI was the night they made this game. puh!
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diegis
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posted December 03, 2008 09:58 PM |
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ignite is not a spell thats for sure. I think its like evasion, and once a fire spell acted, ignite stays there for 3 turns and acts for 3 turns.
It is permanent 'cose cant be dispelled...thats y.
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Elvin
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posted December 03, 2008 10:04 PM |
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Hey, if you get burns from a flamethrower erasing the fire won't help
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Jinxer
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posted December 03, 2008 10:12 PM |
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I know ignite is not a spell.. I didnt say it was a spell... I said the description states that it does "spell damage" lol
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diegis
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posted December 03, 2008 10:21 PM |
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Edited by diegis at 22:37, 03 Dec 2008.
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I said cant be dispelled with immunity, but Elvin example is very good 
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and true, some description from ubi sucks, need to know from games how exactly works...
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lord_nerevar
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posted December 03, 2008 10:45 PM |
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I could cast mass haste ,mass rightous might ,ressurect ,regeneration etc. but I chose only armagedon who proved to be the only solution.Maybe another player could chose to cast other spells but if he casted 1 other spells he definatly lose the game.
So ,I can say that I didnt won the game ,you lose it.
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Jinxer
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posted December 03, 2008 11:45 PM |
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Edited by Jinxer at 23:48, 03 Dec 2008.
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well I could agree with you a little bit... I beat my self yes that game by not knowing that ignite isnt affected by immunity. But alas you get credit on rankings for Jinxer beating Jinxer. Atleast we know that Jinxer will never again lose to ignite in this fashion... I suppose if I had to donate a loss to learn then so be it. 
Also another lesson to be learned.. a player can play bad all game and be outplayed and yet with the aid of 1 little perk selected.... still win the game.. so never give up no matter how bad you are doing in game.  I want rematch SOON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I NEED rematch SOON I should say ... Nerevar!!!!!!!!!
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diegis
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posted December 04, 2008 12:16 AM |
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THATS THE TOH SPIRIT
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Elvin
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posted December 04, 2008 12:28 AM |
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VENGEANCE!!
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Strider_HL
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posted December 04, 2008 10:03 AM |
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Rune of Dragon form on Fire dragons is known BUG and is forbidden in Heroes League, for example. Those who think it's normal should look in game mechanics files and speak wisely later hehe Though it would be enough with simple common sense if you consider that it adds ~28 attack/defence to this unit compared to 9 att/def for lvl 5 creature. Finally, i know for sure that Nival/UBI did not intend it this way.
Ignite is not a bug though it really looks peculiar. To sprout your interest - there are several more such mystic mechanics in the game. I expect we might see some other Jinx discoveries in the near future 
About this game, I doubt that Nerevar knew about the bug and I think that he might have been similarly surprised by ignite after antimagic
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sq79
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posted December 04, 2008 10:33 AM |
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The first shot from the arcanes should be on the dragons
Especially seeing the main hero was Svea, it doesn't hurt to learn fire resistance as well hehe.
It should have been jinxer's game no matter how it looked.
Yep immunity casted doesn't negate ignite, and also some other bugs maybe noticed..
When u use puppet on dwarf troops and uses rune of battle rage, it just does nothing instead of hitting own troops.
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Strider_HL
Famous Hero
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posted December 04, 2008 10:47 AM |
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About these "bugs" or peculiarities in general - i think that they should be allowed as many of them are simply uncontrollable and most players use them without any compunction.
Some small bugs in daily use:
1. Arcanes are also bugged in the respect that they ignore "armoured" ability.
2. Blinding (simply no retaliation) units with immunity to blind by vampire princes/ponnies.
3. Several bugs with runes that most use.
etc.
In 3.0 those who used Urgath were cheaters The list is very long... so let's just accept all the bugs as normal part of game.
I am sure that some hardcore fans here fully support Ubi mechanics even though they acknowledge that as unintended code error haha
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted December 04, 2008 11:42 AM |
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Quote:
Rune of Dragon form on Fire dragons is known BUG and is forbidden in Heroes League, for example. Those who think it's normal should look in game mechanics files and speak wisely later hehe Though it would be enough with simple common sense if you consider that it adds ~28 attack/defence to this unit compared to 9 att/def for lvl 5 creature. Finally, i know for sure that Nival/UBI did not intend it this way.
Compare dragons with Defenders and difference will be bigger....
Magma/Lava dragons are alot more strong compare Fire dragons. Better stats/HP/Specials. Option for use Rune of Dragonform with Feredragons give more optins for play....and not kill balances in game.
For example stupid change in ToTe: mage bildings to give full random spels, not to fill from same skill what you have like before is alot more disbalanced and kill all game planing/strategy.
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Towerlord
Promising
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posted December 04, 2008 11:46 AM |
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These so called bugs, I have different interpretation to them:
As I said rune of Dragon Form on Fire Dragons, probably for balance reasons.
Arcanes against Armoured ability... definetely not a bug. Armoured ability is against spells that decrease defense, and arcanes don't do that, they just ignore it , leaving it as it was.
Blinding attack from unicorns against mind spell imunity... this one is at the edge of bug... My theory would be that the unicorns don't cast a spell they just hit the eyes of a victim with their horn , so it's physical effect actually, not mind related.
Vampies, don't use blind actually, they use torpor, which is not defined as a mind related spell, so no bug here
Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that giving up Magmas/Lava in order to be able to go for Dragon Form rune, is a extra choice someone can make and it brings new strategic potential to the game, so I guess it's okei with me... not getting that ubber Battle Rage rune is gonna hurt less with this fresh info
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Strider_HL
Famous Hero
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posted December 04, 2008 12:06 PM |
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1. Torpor, Blindness - This ability will not work on Undead, Mechanical or Elemental creatures.
So effectively it works somehow with 50% hehe
2. Armoured - This creature is resistant to all spells and effects that decrease Defense.
What you both say about fairness of Fire dragons is cute. Considering that Nival programmers admitted off the record that they made small error in code copying They said the same about arcanes... As I forcasted, there are some that find the system perfect even if its overlords confessed the mistake haha In nature one can observe similar admirable loyalty of a dog to its drunk master (this is not for you, tower) 
Anyway, I wrote only small portion of these undocumented errors. So don't be surprised to discover more on the way...
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Towerlord
Promising
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posted December 04, 2008 12:27 PM |
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Torpor/ Blind ... never saw them on mechanical, elemental, undead and so on... Blind on undead usually triggers no retaliation, from my experience, and it actually pisses me off that the unicons don't remove those deadies eyes . I was talking about Titans, which get blinded and torpored on a regular basis
As for Dragon Form, I don't care about the ubi programmers and their mistakes , but I care about maximizing my gaming potential, so I'm preparing special arena strategy when I get unlucky with the big runes , especially since I find their mistake balancing effect
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