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Mamgaeater
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posted December 16, 2008 10:30 PM |
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Naming...
I've been thinking about my own h6 and i finally finished the lineups...
I need another viewpoint however...
Anyone willing to help?
feel free to ask as why i chose the names if you wish...
Glade
Tier 1: Wolf
- Alphawolf <-> Dire wolf
Tier 2: Bladewhirler
- Elven Dervish <-> Breezetapper
Tier 3: Bard
- Thalian <-> muse
Tier 4: Ent
- Elder Ent <-> Treant
Tier 5: Druid
- High Druid <-> elder druid
Tier 6: Unicorn
- Pegasi <-> Bellasi
Tier 7: Dryad
- Meliai <-> Daphnaie
Tier 8: Firebird
- Cockatrice <-> Pheonix
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Nest
Tier 1: Hatchling
-Spotted Hatchling <-> Whelp
Tier 2:Lernian
- Ophi
Tier 3: Ophidian
- Fen serpent <-> Guardian Loci
Tier 4: Basilisk
Leviathan <-> Regulian
tier 5: Serpent Fly
- Coutl <-> Stinglash
Tier 6: Hydra
- Scylla <-> Wyrm
Tier 7: Nymph
-naiad <-> Limnade
Tier 8: Daughter of Naga
- Naga Incarni <-> Naga's Avenger
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Necropolis
Tier 1: Zombie
- Ghoul <-> Mummy
Tier 2: Spectre
- Ghast <-> Horror
Tier 3: Acolyte
- Vampire <-> Nucklavee
Tier 4: Shadowed
- Wraith <-> Shade
Tier 5: Rot Dragon
- Ghost Dragon <-> Essence Dragon
Tier 6: lich
- DemiLich <-> Animus
Tier 7: Black knight
- Dread Knight <-> Ebon knight
Tier 8: Necrul
- Shadowstalker <-> NightCrawler
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Acadamy
Tier 1: Gremlin
- Master gremlin <-> Familiar
Tier 2: Gargoyle
- Obsidian gargoyle <-> Chimera
Tier 3: Apprentice
- Artificer <-> Prodigy
Tier 4: Mage
- Archmage <-> Magus
Tier 5: Golem
- Magnetic Golem <-> Diamond golem
Tier 6: Genie
- Djinn <-> Marid
Tier 7: Mechanization
- Collosus <-> Dragon Golem
Tier 8: Giant
- Titan <-> North wind
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Inferno
Tier 1:Imp
- Vermin <-> Foliot
Tier 2: Demon
-Horned demon <-> Overseer
Tier 3: Hellhound
- Cerberus <-> Flarehound
Tier 4: Gog
-Magog <-> Barlgura
Tier 5: Nightmare
- Frightmare <-> Hell Charger
Tier 6: Pit fiend
- Pitspawn <-> Balrog
Tier 7: Chaos Knight
- HellRaiser <-> Rubon Knight
Tier 8: Devil
-Archdevil <-> ArchFiend
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Haven
Tier 1: peasant
- Conscript <-> Militia
Tier 2: Archer
- Arbalest <-> Crossbowman
Tier 3: Footman
- Squire <-> Pikeman
Tier 4: Griffin
- Battle griffin <-> Royal griffin
Tier 5: Monk
- Zealot <-> Inquisitor
Tier 6: Horseman
- Templar <-> Cavalier
Tier 7: Champion
- Crusader <-> Paladin
Tier 8: Angel
- Seraph <-> Archangel
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Fissure
Tier 1: Spawnling
- Tunnel Crawler <-> Seeker
Tier 2: Harpy
-Siren <-> Harpy Hag
Tier 3: Shadow Dragon
-Red Dragon <-> Black Dragon
Tier 4: Minotaur
-Minotaur king <-> minotaur Taskmaster
Tier 5: Dragon Tamer
- Beast master <-> Dragon Rider
Tier 6: Medusa
- Gorgon <-> medusa queen
Tier 7: Trogdyolyte
- Infernal Trogdyolyte <-> Faceless
Tier 8: Manticore
- Scorpicore <-> Arachnicore
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Stronghold
Tier 1: Goblin
- Hobgoblin <-> Witch Doctor
Tier 2: Centaur
- Marauder <-> Nomad
Tier 3: Warrior
- Blooddrinker <-> Warmonger
Tier 4: Shaman
- Earth Daughter <-> Sky daughter
Tier 5: Cyclops
- Polythemus <-> Cyclops King
Tier 6: Slayer
- Beserker <-> Khan
Tier 7: Roc
- Thunderbird <-> FrostBird
Tier 8: Wyvern
- Paokai <-> Wyvern Monarch
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MattII 
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posted December 16, 2008 11:46 PM |
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Well quite apart from the fact that I don't like the idea of more than 7 tiers, I find level issues with Glade, Nest, Necropolis, Fissure and Stronghold. Sorry, but I think this needs a complete revision.
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Mamgaeater
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posted December 16, 2008 11:47 PM |
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It's a creativity exercise anyway.
I needed to create a non-traditional tier system with non-traditional spots... (such as a tier 3 dragon  )
Edit: please explain.
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Adrius
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posted December 17, 2008 12:11 AM |
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Well, names are mostly based around the creatures' appearance and abilities... all I've got here is a bunch of names 
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Mamgaeater
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posted December 17, 2008 12:13 AM |
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Well, names are mostly based around the creatures' appearance and abilities... all I've got here is a bunch of names
I'm asking about the names? are any of them strectchy or unappealing? clunky? And as i said i'd describe the units if i'm asked...
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MattII
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posted December 17, 2008 12:15 AM |
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It's a creativity exercise anyway.
I needed to create a non-traditional tier system with non-traditional spots... (such as a tier 3 dragon )
Oh, right. Creativeness is good, but when it depart from rationality, not to this degree (a tier 3 dragon is good, but please make it a tier 3 style, not a tier 7 style that's been rehomed, like putting a Doberman in a Chihuahua's kennel).
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Edit: please explain.
Explain what?
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Mamgaeater
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posted December 17, 2008 12:18 AM |
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Explain why you don't like the lineups?
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Adrius
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posted December 17, 2008 12:19 AM |
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Edited by Adrius at 00:19, 17 Dec 2008.
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Well, the names are good imo. The Nest has some strange ones though, but they'll probably fit with the faction's theme.
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Zozma
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posted December 17, 2008 12:32 AM |
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1. A Nymph in the Nest faction seems like a bit of a stretch.
2.The Nightmare upgrade, "frightmare" seems a little . . . well, not good . I know that nightmares are sort of based on the pun "night mare," that is, "a mare of the night" and therefore somewhat indicative of the creature's nature, but I think you'd be better off with NightTerror.
3. There's a difference between being creative for the sake of creativity and being creative just to go against standards. If you want to put dragons as low tier, you're going to have to redefine what dragons are. Are they no longer towering creatures with nearly impenetrable scales? If they are, there's no sense in putting them as low as third tier.
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Mamgaeater
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posted December 17, 2008 12:36 AM |
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Strange?
Tier 1: Hatchling
-Spotted Hatchling <-> Whelp
Like a baby snake... they are the newborns of naga's children
Tier 2:Lernian
- ??? <-> ???
Named after the lernean hydra
And a writers block
Tier 3: Ophidian
- Fen serpent <-> Guardian Loci
Ophidian is a snake, fen refers to a swamp and a loci is a snake spirit
Tier 4: Basilisk
Leviathan <-> Regulian
basilisk Same old same old
Leviathan Lost ability to stone
Regulian, Regulus basilisk, took regulus and made him a denizen of it
tier 5: Serpent Fly
- Coutl <-> Stinglash
Typical serpent fly
Coutl, My third favorite ROL race
Stinglash, WoW
Tier 6: Hydra
- Scylla <-> Wyrm
Hydra
Scylla, I'm a big AOM fan
Wyrm, Giving old words new meanings
Tier 7: Nymph
-naiad <-> Limnade
Not The Technically daughters of naga
naiad and limnade are greek versions of a nymph
Tier 8: Daughter of Naga
- Naga Incarni <-> Naga's Avenger
Daughter, Naga's chosen lineage
Naga incarni, An incarnation of naga
Naga's avenger, Avenges Naga
Yeah i'm lazy
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MattII
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posted December 17, 2008 12:57 AM |
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Quote:
Explain why you don't like the lineups?
Okay, let me just say there are some names that simply cannot be relegated to low tiers, such as:
Ent
Leviathan
Dragon (or at least, not with the current prefixes)
Cyclops.
Others you've placed absurdly too high for my tastes:
Dryad
Nymph
Medusa
Troglodyte
And there are some which simply don't go together:
Firebird-Cockatrice
Hydra-Wyrm
Gargoyle-Chimera
Finally, on top of all of this there are some names that either don't exist, or don't makes sense:
Breezetapper
Thalian
Bellasi
Lernian-Ophi
Fen Serpent-Guardian Loci
Regulian
Stinglash
Limnade
Shadowed
Essence Dragon
Necrul-Shadowstalker-Nightcrawler
Artificier-Prodigy
Mechanization
North Wind
Flarehound
Rubon Knight
Spawnling-Tunnel Crawler-Seeker
Siren
Faceless
Arachnicore
Polythemus
Khan
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Mamgaeater
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posted December 17, 2008 01:19 AM |
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Okay, let me just say there are some names that simply cannot be relegated to low tiers, such as:
Ent Drenroids were tier 5 in h3
Leviathan It hasn't really been done before and it depends on the universe. i was hoping to get away with this...
Dragon (or at least, not with the current prefixes) People always are complaigning about too many dragons so i gave them what they wanted. Less dragons.
Cyclops. They were tier 3 in h4(bad excuse)
Others you've placed absurdly too high for my tastes:
Dryad A powerful tree spirit?
Nymph These are not like dryads... They are daughters of Naga.
Medusa you happen to be right here
Troglodyte Trogdyolytes are my interpretation of the faceless... Think Giant bulky behemoth like a cyclops. not a scrawny little lizard thing.
And there are some which simply don't go together:
Firebird-Cockatrice Perhaps pyrolisk would've been a better name
Hydra-Wyrm see leviathan
Gargoyle-Chimera Gargoyles tended to be statues of chimeras
Finally, on top of all of this there are some names that either don't exist, or don't makes sense:
Breezetapper He taps into the power of the wind
Thalian one of the muses
Bellasi I squished bellephron and pegasus together
Lernian Ophi was an accident... Lernian refers to the lernean hydra
Fen Serpent-Guardian Loci a fen is a swamp, i'll use this handy quote from wikipedia "In Roman mythology a genius loci was the protective spirit of a place. It was often depicted as a snake."
Regulian regulus is king in latin. and baslisks are sometimes known as little kings
Stinglash Ripping off wow
Limnade Type of nymph
Shadowed They have been shadowed, AKA they litterally have fallen out of light.
Essence Dragon Ghost is overused so i used essence
Necrul-Shadowstalker-Nightcrawler Necrul is made up, The shadow/night stalkers represent fear and terror, they are also from dnd
Artificer-Prodigy Acadamy wasn't meant to have more than one mage...
Mechanization i think it can be pronounced a a noun
North Wind I actually posted this?
Flarehound firehound is so h5
Rubon Knight I liked ebon knight too much
Spawnling-Tunnel Crawler-Seeker baby trogdyolyte...
Siren Writers block
Faceless i think it was a race in ashan
Arachnicore scorpion - scorpicore, arachnid - arachnicore... and chimera was already taken
Polythemus you haven't heard of him?
Khan Mongol for leader,IIRC
does that answer any problems?
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posted December 17, 2008 03:03 AM |
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Edited by MattII at 03:14, 17 Dec 2008.
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Okay, let me just say there are some names that simply cannot be relegated to low tiers, such as:
Ent Drenroids were tier 5 in h3 and tier 6 in H5, they darned trees.
Leviathan It hasn't really been done before and it depends on the universe. i was hoping to get away with this... Sorry, doesn't wash, some manes just aren't maleable, like Rocs.
Dragon (or at least, not with the current prefixes) People always are complaigning about too many dragons so i gave them what they wanted. Less dragons. Find new prefixes, those ones are taken for big dragons.
Cyclops. They were tier 3 in h4(bad excuse) Yes, pretty bad, Cyclopses can't be small.
Others you've placed absurdly too high for my tastes:
Dryad A powerful tree spirit? Not 'that' powerful.
Nymph These are not like dryads... They are daughters of Naga.
Medusa you happen to be right here
Troglodyte Trogdyolytes are my interpretation of the faceless... Think Giant bulky behemoth like a cyclops. not a scrawny little lizard thing. Pity everyone elses are the scrawny ones.
And there are some which simply don't go together:
Firebird-Cockatrice Perhaps pyrolisk would've been a better name Cockatrice is an abomination, it doesn't go with Firebird.
Hydra-Wyrm see leviathan Likewise.
Gargoyle-Chimera Gargoyles tended to be statues of chimeras Gargoyles generally have one head, Chimeras have two or more.
Finally, on top of all of this there are some names that either don't exist, or don't makes sense:
Breezetapper He taps into the power of the wind How and why do they do that?
Thalian one of the muses
Bellasi I squished bellephron and pegasus together Using names is bad enough, mixing them is worse. Besides, that's like calling the Archangel Micheal, or the Centaur Chiron, it's not a done thing.
Lernian Ophi was an accident... Lernian refers to the lernean hydra Lerna is a mythical place, not a creature.
Fen Serpent-Guardian Loci a fen is a swamp, i'll use this handy quote from wikipedia "In Roman mythology a genius loci was the protective spirit of a place. It was often depicted as a snake."
Regulian regulus is king in latin. and baslisks are sometimes known as little kings So call them Royal Basilisks or something.
Stinglash Ripping off wow
Limnade Type of nymph
Shadowed They have been shadowed, AKA they litterally have fallen out of light. They're undead, what light do they have to fall out of?
Essence Dragon Ghost is overused so i used essence Spectral goes better.
Necrul-Shadowstalker-Nightcrawler Necrul is made up, The shadow/night stalkers represent fear and terror, they are also from dnd
Artificer-Prodigy Acadamy wasn't meant to have more than one mage... Try Assistant or something then.
Mechanization i think it can be pronounced a a noun I don't think it can, and even if it can, it's a bad name, try Mechanical.
North Wind I actually posted this? You did, tier 7 Academy, alt to Titan
Flarehound firehound is so h5 Nothing wrong with Firehound.
Rubon Knight I liked ebon knight too much And rubon means?
Spawnling-Tunnel Crawler-Seeker baby trogdyolyte...
Siren Writers block Well at least call them Harpy Sirens then, draw you in with beautiful songs, then kill you
Faceless i think it was a race in ashan Yep, a race, it doesn't do as a single unit
Arachnicore scorpion - scorpicore, arachnid - arachnicore... and chimera was already taken
Polythemus you haven't heard of him? It's Polyphemus actually, and as for why it's inappropriate, see Bellasi
Khan Mongol for leader,IIRC Better for a hero then.
does that answer any problems?
Perhaps not as many as you'd like.
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Mamgaeater
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posted December 17, 2008 03:53 AM |
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Changelog
Leviathan - Gazetaker (original alt)
Ents can probably move up the tier ladder... i will probably switch them with dryads...
Dragons - swap with medusa then maybe with troggies.
Cyclops - swap with slayer
Trogdyolytes - I call it creative freedom... and besides h3 beholders are tiny compared to other kinds.
Cockatrice - Firebird - Frostbird <-> pheonix
Wyrm - Chimera? no... probably leviathan
Chimera - Changed to Watcher
Breezetapper - I like the name. i'll make up an excuse flavorwise.
Lernean - Its sticking... i think a lernean is a decent name. a reference to a mythological place. i tend to like that.
Regulian - regulian sounds better and as above i like little references
Shadowed - They actually aren't undead. They are just souls trapped within the shadows. The light has rejected them and they are merely a shadow of their former self...
Skeleton - These guys are primarily summoned units.
Rot dragon - Blood Dragon ( i really dislike these kind of names)
Apprentice - Assistant - Apprentice <-> Magus
Mage - Artificer replaces magus
Mecha - Crazy Contraption
Titan - Storm lord sounds boring imo... but perhaps its what i need.
Firehound - Small difference
Rubon - Means nothing but i have a better name Dullahan
Siren - So i should make siren a class?... I like it.
Faceless - Well i suppose the faceless are trogdyolytes (my storyline)
But the name is better off as Hunter
Cyclops - BYCLOPS... no not really I'm thinking of prefix - Eyed Cyclops
Khan - i actually found a better name(Tarkan)
I'm trying to retain what i originally mean with my factions... not to mention the various subfactions
Rampart - meso-american (dropped as i can't get enough for even a subfaction((thunderbid would've gone here))
Grove - (dropped for balance between nature towns and everything else)
Conflux - (elementals)
Cove - (sea critters)
Den - (Rogues, thieves assasins)
Dungeon - (remnant of dark elves)
I'll focus on those laters... and they are more like an assorted group of neutrals with a small fortlike town (multiple dwellings in a single spot.)
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1. A Nymph in the Nest faction seems like a bit of a stretch.
2.The Nightmare upgrade, "frightmare" seems a little . . . well, not good . I know that nightmares are sort of based on the pun "night mare," that is, "a mare of the night" and therefore somewhat indicative of the creature's nature, but I think you'd be better off with NightTerror.
3. There's a difference between being creative for the sake of creativity and being creative just to go against standards. If you want to put dragons as low tier, you're going to have to redefine what dragons are. Are they no longer towering creatures with nearly impenetrable scales? If they are, there's no sense in putting them as low as third tier.
1.)Nymphs in the nest faction are not water spirits as they usually are...
2.)Nighterror sounds almost as bad IMO
3.) this problem has been adressed
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posted December 17, 2008 05:03 AM |
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1.)Nymphs in the nest faction are not water spirits as they usually are...
Which makes even less sense, really, considering the primary element of a swamp (which is where I assume the nest is located) is water. I don't see nymphs as water spirits, just quasi-divine beings. Why not use an Eleionomae? They're the nymphs of marshes, so it'd fit a little better.
2.)Nighterror sounds almost as bad IMO
But a night terror is an actual phenomenon, whereas frightmare sounds, well . . . frankly, it's adorable .
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posted December 17, 2008 12:46 PM |
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Gargoyle-Chimera Gargoyles tended to be statues of chimeras
Gargoyles are meant to be statues of demons not of chimeras, to scare away other demons from churches and cathedrals. But maybe it's different in your setting.
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Mamgaeater
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posted December 17, 2008 01:17 PM |
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Quote:
1.)Nymphs in the nest faction are not water spirits as they usually are...
Which makes even less sense, really, considering the primary element of a swamp (which is where I assume the nest is located) is water. I don't see nymphs as water spirits, just quasi-divine beings. Why not use an Eleionomae? They're the nymphs of marshes, so it'd fit a little better.
2.)Nighterror sounds almost as bad IMO
But a night terror is an actual phenomenon, whereas frightmare sounds, well . . . frankly, it's adorable .
1.) But Nymph and Such are better known... Yes the Nest is primarily a swamp faction but Really exists wherever.
2.) I try to avoid prefixes. Frightmare may not sound scary but its the best i have... although i may have to further radicalize my tier systems or normalize them soon...
@ snatch I've decided upon watcher as a better name.
edit: I've decided on elemental names...
earth: Gnome
Water: Kelpie
air : Slyph
Fire : Salamander
Light: Cherubim
Dark : Bogle
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posted December 18, 2008 08:30 PM |
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Cyclops. They were tier 3 in h4(bad excuse)
Peanut! Peanut! What a horrible excuse.
I appreciate your imagination, however. Some names are interesting.
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Mamgaeater
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posted December 19, 2008 01:57 AM |
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Tier 8 dropped... Tier 8 was never a part of my concept anyway. it was just to force me to look into different names
Tier 1: Wolf
- Alphawolf <-> Dire wolf
Tier 2: Bladewhirler
- Elven Dervish <-> Breezetapper
Tier 3: Dryad
- Meliai <-> Daphnaie
Tier 4: Druid
- High Druid <-> elder druid
Tier 5: Unicorn
- Pegasi <-> Bellasi
Tier 6: Ent
- Elder Ent <-> Treant
Tier 7: Firebird
- Frostbird <-> Pheonix
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Nest
Tier 1: Hatchling
-Spotted Hatchling <-> Whelp
Tier 2: Ophidian
- Lernian <-> Guardian Loci
Tier 3: Basilisk
-Gazetaker <-> Regulian
tier 4: Serpent Fly
- Coutl <-> Stinglash
Tier 5: Hydra
- Scylla <-> Leviathan
Tier 6: Nymph
-Naiad <-> Limnade
Tier 7: Daughter of Naga
- Naga Incarni <-> Naga's Avenger
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Necropolis
Tier 1: Zombie
- Ghoul <-> Mummy
Tier 2: Spectre
- Ghast <-> Horror
Tier 3: Acolyte
- Vampire <-> Nucklavee
Tier 4: Shadowed
- Wraith <-> Shade
Tier 5: Lich
- DemiLich <-> Animus
Tier 6: Black knight
- Dread Knight <-> Ebon knight
Tier 7: Necrul
- Shadowstalker <-> NightCrawler
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Acadamy
Tier 1: Gremlin
- Master gremlin <-> Familiar
Tier 2: Gargoyle
- Obsidian gargoyle <-> Watcher
Tier 3: Mage
- Archmage <-> artificer
Tier 4: Golem
- Magnetic Golem <-> Diamond golem
Tier 5: Genie
- Djinn <-> Marid
Tier 6: Juggernaut
- Collosus <-> Dragon Golem
Tier 7: Giant
- Titan <-> Storm Lord
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Inferno
Tier 1:Imp
- Vermin <-> Foliot
Tier 2: Demon
-Horned demon <-> Overseer
Tier 3: Hellhound
- Cerberus <-> Firehound
Tier 4: Gog
-Magog <-> Barlgura
Tier 5: Nightmare
- Frightmare <-> Hell Charger
Tier 6: Pit fiend
- Pitspawn <-> Balrog
Tier 7: Devil
-Archdevil <-> Abyssal Fiend
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Haven
Tier 1: Peasant
- Conscript <-> Militia
Tier 2: Archer
- Arbalest <-> Crossbowman
Tier 3: Footman
- Squire <-> Pikeman
Tier 4: Griffin
- Battle griffin <-> Royal griffin
Tier 5: Monk
- Zealot <-> Inquisitor
Tier 6: Champion
- Crusader <-> Paladin
Tier 7: Angel
- Seraph <-> Archangel
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Fissure
Tier 1: Spawnling
- Tunnel Crawler <-> Seeker
Tier 2: Harpy
-Harpy Siren <-> Harpy Hag
Tier 3: Medusa
- Gorgon <-> Medusa Matriarch
Tier 4: Minotaur
-Minotaur king <-> Minotaur Taskmaster
Tier 5: Shadow Drake
-Red Drake <-> Black Drake
Tier 6: Trogdyolyte
- Infernal Trogdyolyte <-> Faceless
Tier 7: Manticore
- Scorpicore <-> Arachnicore
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Stronghold
Tier 1: Goblin
- Hobgoblin <-> Witch Doctor
Tier 2: Centaur
- Marauder <-> Nomad
Tier 3: Warrior
- Blooddrinker <-> Warmonger
Tier 4: Shaman
- Earth Daughter <-> Sky daughter
Tier 5: Slayer
- Beserker <-> Khan
Tier 6:Cyclops
- Gigant <-> Cyclops King
Tier 7: Wyvern
- Paokai <-> Wyvern Monarch
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Conflux
tier 4: Mana Wisp (can be upgraded into the following)
-] Gnome
-] Kelpie
-] Slyph
-] Salamander
-] Cherubim
-] Sprite
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